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“THE DICTATOR’S PLAYBOOK”

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> SUNG, HUSSEIN, NORIEGA,
FRANCO AND ANOTHER DICTATOR
HELPED SHAPE THE WORLD WITH
RUTHLESS UNCHECKED POWER KNOWN
FOR USING VIOLENCE AND TERROR AS
TOOLS TO RULE.
IN A SIX PART HISTORY SERIES
FROM PBS CALLED "THE DICTATORS'
PLAYBOOK," WE LEARN EVERYTHING
ABOUT EACH OF THESE MEN FROM THE
EARLY LIVES TO THE RISE AND FOR
SOME OF THEM THE FALL FROM
POWER.
WHAT DROVE THEIR THIRST FOR
DOMINATION?
HOW DID THEY SEIZE POWER?
WHO REBELLED AGAINST THEM AND
HOW DID SOME OF THEM COME TO A
BITTER END?
>> DICTATORSHIP HAS HAD AN
INCREDIBLE IMPACT ON THE PAST
CENTURY.
THE DICTATORS ENDED UP LEARNING
FROM ONE ANOTHER.
>> THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT.
THEY USE THE SAME TACTICS.
>> THEY USE TERROR.
>> PROPAGANDA.
>> CONTROL.
>> CREATE AN ENEMY.
>> SANITY.
>> VIOLENCE.
>> THESE ARE TOOLS THAT
DICTATORS USE TO STAY IN POWER.
>> JOINING ME NOW TO TALK ABOUT
THIS AND PROVIDE INSIGHT TO THE
SERIES IS MICHAEL ROSENFELD AND
THE CO-EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF
"THE DICTATOR'S PLAYBOOK."
NICE TO HAVE YOU WITH US.
>> PLEASURE TO BE HERE.
>> SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS THE
SELECTION PROCESS.
THE WORLD HAS NOT HAD A SHORTAGE
OF DICTATORS.
HOW THEN DID YOU DECIDE TO FOCUS
ON THESE SIX?
>> WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, IT WAS
SOMEWHAT CHALLENGING.
BECAUSE AS YOU SAY, THERE WERE
SO MANY OF THESE GUYS.
AND THE 20th CENTURY WAS REALLY
A CENTURY OF DICTATORS.
I THINK WE EASILY COULD HAVE
DONE A 13-PART CLASSIC
TELEVISION SERIES.
SO WE HAD TO FIND KIND OF RUBRIC
FOR NARROWING IT DOWN.
ONE THING WE DID IS LOOK AT
GEOGRAPHY.
WE WANTED TO BE GEOGRAPHICALLY
DIVERSE.
WE CHOSE DICTATORS ALL OVER THE
PLANET.
FROM EUROPE TO LATIN AMERICA TO
ASIA TO THE MIDDLE EAST.
REALLY AS A WAY TO CONVEY HOW
WIDESPREAD THIS PHENOMENON OF
DICTATORSHIP WAS.
BEYOND THAT, WE WERE LOOKING FOR
DICTATORS WHO EXEMPLIFIED SOME
OF THE KEY TACTICS THAT
DICTATORS USE.
ONEst GOALS IS TO EXPLORE HOW
DICTATORS DO WHAT THEY DO, WHAT
TECHNIQUES THEY USE TO TAKE
POWER, HOLD ON TO POWER.
BUT I DO HAVE TO ASK.
I SUSPECT YOU'VE BEEN ASKED THIS
QUESTION BEFORE.
I'M SURE YOU TALKED ABOUT IT.
WHY IS HITLER NOT INCLUDED IN
THIS LIST?
>> WELL, REALLY FOR TWO REASONS.
ONE IS FRANKLY THERE'S BEEN SO
MUCH DONE ABOUT HITLER AND THE
DOCUMENTARY WORLD AND, OF
COURSE, IN THE WORLD OF BOOKS AS
WELL.
IN ADDITION, YOU KNOW, STORLTY
-- THE STORY OF HITLER IS SO
EPIC IN SCOPE AND COMPLEX THAT
WE WERE ALSO A LITTLE CONCERNED
ABOUT THE CHALLENGES OF GETTING
HIM INTO AN HOUR AND DOING
JUSTICE.
>> OBVIOUS INITIALLY IS THEY'RE
SO VERY DIFFERENT.
YET, YOU'RE STRUCK BY COMMON
THREADS THAT RUN THROUGH THEIR
STORIES.
WERE YOU SURPRISED AT THOSE
COMMONALITIES, THOSE
SIMILARITIES THAT WERE
DISCOVERED?
>> WE WERE.
YOU KNOW, WE BEGAN WORKING ON
THIS AS A SERIES OF BIOGRAPHIES.
AND AS WE WENT ALONG, WE
DISCOVERED THAT THERE ARE THESE
THEMES AND THREADS THAT RUN
THROUGH ALL THE STORIES.
AS YOU SAY, THEY'RE INCREDIBLY
DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER.
IT'S HARD IN SOME WAYS TO PUT A
FRANCO OR A KIM ILL SUNG IN THE
SAME BUCKET.
BUT ALL OF THEM ESSENTIALLY IF
YOU TAKE A STEP BACK DO
SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR.
THEY HAVE TO TAKE POWER, HOLD ON
TO PO
POWER AS LONG AS THEY CAN AND
WHAT WE DISCOVERED AS WE TOLD
THE STORIES IS THAT THEY USE
SIMILAR TECHNIQUES.
AND WHEN WE DISCUSS THIS WITH
OUR EXPERTS, THEY CONFIRM THAT
THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON.
THERE SAY KIND OF A DICTATOR'S
PLAYBOOK.
AND THAT'S HOW THE SERIES GOT
THE TITLE.
>> I THINK MOST PEOPLE WHEN THEY
HEAR THE TERM DICTATOR AND THEY
HEAR THE NOTION OF USING
VIOLENCE TO ASCEND TO YOUR
POWER, YOU WOULD THINK THIS IS
HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK OUT.
DICTATO
DICTATOR BAD GUY RISES TO POWER,
LOSES POWER AND PEMENOPLE ARE
JOYFUL AND CELEBRATE.
ON THE FIRST EPISODE, IN NORTH
KOREA, HE IS OPENING SCENES ARE
AT HIS DEATH, YOU SEE WHAT
APPEARS TO BE THE ENORMOUS SENSE
OF LOSS AND DESPAIR BY THE
PEOPLE WHO HE ESSENTIALLY
TORTURED.
WHAT DID YOU LEARN FROM THAT?
>> I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT.
I THINK IT'S A LOT MORE
COMPLICATED THAN JUST DISMISSING
THE GUYS AS EVIL VILLIANS.
OF COURSE, THEY WERE IN SOME
WAYS EVIL VILLIANS.
IT'S SHORT SIGHTED TO DISMISS
THEM THAT WAY.
THESE ARE COMPLICATED MEN.
AND WHILE THEY ARE USING
TECHNIQUES OF VIOLENCE AND OTHER
FORMS OF OPPRESSION, THEY'RE
ALSO CULTIVATING SUPPORT.
ONE OF FIRST THINGS THAT KIM IL
SUNG DID WHEN HE TOOK POWER IN
NORTH KOREA WAS GIVE LAND TO
ABOUT 700,000 LANDLESS KOREAN
PEASANTS.
WHICH WAS A WAY OF, YOU KNOW,
SERVING THE PEOPLE BUT ALSO
WINNING THE SUPPORT OF THE
PEOPLE.
SO THERE IS A CARROT AND THERE
IS A STICK.
>> MIKE, I HAVE TO TELL YOU,
IT'S AN EXCEPTIONAL SERIES.
IT IS THOUGHTFUL AND THOUGHT
PROVOKING WHICH IS WHAT GOOD
DOCUMENTARY SERIES SHOULD
CERTAINLY BE.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR SPEND
SOMETHING TIME WITH US.
CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THE FOLKS
WHO WORKED ON THIS.
YOU'VE DONE AN EXTRAORDINARY
JOB.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
>> THANKS VERY MUCH.
>>> AND REMINDER FOR YOU, "THE
DICTATORS' PLAYBOOK" PREMIERS
WEDNESDAY.
MAKE SURE YOU CHECK YOUR LOCAL
LISTINGS AND GO ONLINE FOR
VIEWING OPPORTUNITIES.


URL: https://www.thirteen.org/metrofocus/2019/02/the-dictators-playbook/