MetroFocus: September 15, 2021

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> THIS IS 'METROFOCUS' WITH RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD, AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

> 'METROFOCUS' IS MADE POSSIBLE BY -- SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III.

SYLVIA A. AND SIMON B. POYTA PROGRAMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT ANTI-SEMITISM.

THE PETER G. PETERSON AND JOAN GANZ COONEY FUND.

BERNARD AND DENISE SCHWARTZ.

BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG.

THE AMBROSE MONELL FOUNDATION.

AND BY -- JANET PRINDLE SEIDLER.

JODY AND JOHN ARNHOLD.

CHERYL AND PHILIP MILSTEIN FAMILY.

JUDY AND JOSH WESTON.

DR. ROBERT C. AND TINA SOHN FOUNDATION.

> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO 'METROFOCUS.'

10 YEARS AGO, KENNETH CHAMBERLAIN, AN ELDERLY BLACKMAN FROM WHITE PLAINS, NEW YORK WAS SHOT AND KILLED IN HIS OWN APARTMENT BY WHITE POLICE OFFICERS.

THE POLICE WERE NOTIFIED AFTER MR. CHAMBERLAIN'S LIFE ALERT MONSTER ACCIDENTALLY WENT OFF.

A LITTLE MORE THAN AN HOUR AND A HALF AFTER THE EVENT, HE FORMER MARINE, CORRECTIONS OFFICER, WHO STRUGGLED WITH A HEART CONDITION AND PSYCHIATRIC ISSUES SHOT DEAD IN HIS HOME.

NOW 10 YEARS LATER, AS HIS FAMILY IS FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE, A NEW FILM TELLS THE TRAGIC AND TRUE STORY MR. CHAMBERLAIN'S DEATH.

HERE IS A QUICK PREVIEW.

♪ ♪ MR. CHAMBERLAIN, THIS IS CANDACE OF MEDICAL ALERTS.

THIS LINE IS BEING RECORDED.

WE RECEIVED AN ACTIVATION FROM YOUR PENDANT.

DO YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY?

I'M NOT GETTING A RESPONSE FROM YOU.

I'M GOING TO DISPATCH EMERGENCY SERVICES NOW.

[ BANGING ]

POLICE!

WE'RE HERE FOR A WELFARE CHECK.

HELP ME.

HELP ME.

I NEED HELP.

♪ JOINING ME NOW TO DISCUSS THE FILM AND THE HEARTBREAKING EVENTS THAT IT DEPICTS IS MORGAN FREEMAN, THE EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF 'THE KILLING OF KENNETH CHAMBERLAIN' AND MR.

CHAMBERLAIN, JR., A POLICE REFORM ACTIVIST.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ON 'METROFOCUS.'

THANK YOU.

FIRST OFF I WANT TO START --

KENNETH, I WANT TO ASK IF YOU COULD TELL THE AUDIENCE A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR FATHER'S STORY.

THERE ARE SO MANY INDIVIDUALS LIKE HIM, BUT WHAT WAS IT ABOUT HIM THAT WAS SPECIAL TO YOU AS YOUR DAD?

WELL, YOU KNOW, MY DAD WAS, LIKE MY CHILD, HE WAS MY FIRST SUPER HERO.

YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NOTHING DAD COULDN'T DO.

NOTHING DAD COULDN'T FIX.

THERE WAS A PROBLEM YOU WENT TO DAD.

IF MOM SAID NO, YOU WENT TO DAD.

AND YOU ASKED DAD COULD YOU GO OR COULD YOU DO THIS, YOU KNOW, AND DAD HAD THAT UNIQUE WAY OF CONVINCING MOM TO LET YOU GO THROUGH IT EVEN THOUGH MAYBE SHE DIDN'T WANT YOU TO.

BUT KENNETH CHAMBERLAIN SENIOR, YOU KNOW, FOOIF I HAD TO SAY ANYTHING, HE WAS A MAN OF INTEGRITY, A MAN OF HONOR.

A PROUD MARINE.

HE WAS A MAN ON NOVEMBER 19th, 2011, WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED.

UH-HUH.

MORGAN, I WANT TO ASK, HOW DID YOU FIRST HEAR ABOUT THE STORY?

WHY DID YOU WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE FILM?

IT WAS LAST YEAR SOMETIME.

MY PRODUCER AND I WATCHED THIS MOVIE.

IT WAS SENT TO US.

WE WERE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO HELP GET IT DISTRIBUTED.

SO WHEN WE SAW IT, IT'S LIKE, WOW!

WE HAVE TO GET ON BOARD.

WE HAVE TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO TELL THIS STORY.

IT'S A REALLY GRIPPING STORY.

VERY SAD.

THERE WAS A LESSON FOR US ALL ABOUT THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN.

THEY SENT THE WRONG PEOPLE TO DO THE WRONG THING TO THE WRONG PLACE.

THE POLICE ARE GENERALLY NOT TRAINED TO HANDLE SITUATIONS LIKE CHAMBERLAIN'S.

HE INADVERTENTLY SENT OFF THE ALARM AND THEY SENT POLICE.

BUT THEN HE CALLED BACK AND SAID THIS IS MISTAKEN.

I DON'T NEED ANYTHING.

THEY TOLD THE POLICE THAT.

WHY THEY HAD TO GET INTO THE APARTMENT, WE STILL DON'T KNOW BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST SO IT ALL WENT DOWN TO HIM BEING KILLED.

NO RIME OR REASON.

JUST ONE OF THOSE POLICE THINGS.

IN THE INTRO FOR THE SEGMENT, I DID SORT OF RETELL THE STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED FOR THE AUDIENCE BUT I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KEEPS COMING UP EVERY TIME THERE IS POLICE OFFICERLY A POLICE-INVOLVED SHOOTING OF AN UNARMED BLACK MAN, THERE'S THE QUESTION OF WELL, IF HE JUST X, Y, Z.

IF HE JUST COMPLIED.

IF HE DID WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO, THEN IT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.

KENNETH, TO YOU, I WANT TO ASK, WHY DID HE NOT JUST ANSWER THE DOOR, WHICH IS WHAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT ASK

WELL, LET ME JUST BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.

MIKE BROWN JUNIOR COMPLIED.

HIS HANDS WERE IN THE AIR WHEN HE WAS SHOT AND KILLED.

GEORGE FLOYD WAS IN HANDCUFFS OFFERING NO RESISTANCE WHEN HE WAS KILLED.

WE CAN'T CHANGE OUR SKIN COLOR SO WE'RE PERCEIVED DIFFERENTLY.

WE'RE NOT TAKEN INTO CUSTODY AND TAKEN TO WENDY'S TO GET A HAMBURGER.

THEY INSISTED MY FATHER ANSWER THE DOOR.

YOU'RE THERE FOR A MEDICAL CALL.

NOT A CRIME IN PROGRESS.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE A WARRANT.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE PERMISSION, AND YOU, AS OFFICERS, CREATED THE CIRCUMSTANCE.

TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING ELSE WAS GOING ON THAT WASN'T.

HE DIDN'T OPEN THE DOOR.

OKAY.

I WANT TO SAY THAT THE FILM -- FIRST OF ALL, THE STORIES ARE CRITICALLY POWERFUL BUT IT INTENTIONALLY, I THINK, HAS A POWERFUL TITLE.

IT DOES NOT HINT AT WHAT THE SUBJECT MATTER IS.

IT GETS DIRECTLY TO IT.

I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, SAY YOU HAD IN THAT, BUT AT LEAST AS A FILM PRODUCER, WHY SO IMPORTANT TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR WHAT THE AUDIENCE.

WHAT WAS THE SUBJECT MATTER THAT WAS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED.

IT WAS -- IT WAS DELIBERATE.

AND I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS PROBABLY SEEN ENOUGH OF THIS SORT OF THING.

PEOPLE SHOT IN THE BACK, PEOPLE JUST I DON'T KNOW FEEL LIKE GEORGE FLOYD, AND WE HAVE TO DRAMATIZE THIS MORE.

IT CAN'T JUST LIE -- I DON'T THINK -- HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF A BLACK POLICE OFFICER KILLING ANYBODY?

I WAS GOING TO SAY UNFORTUNATELY I THINK THERE'S ONE CASE THAT IS GOING TO STICK OUT IN MOST PEOPLE'S MINDS.

HOW MANY?

ONE CASE.

ONE CASE.

ONE CASE.

I BELIEVE IT WAS AN AUSTRALIAN WOMAN.

OKAY.

BUT IT'S -- THIS CASE, AH, I THINK IT JUST ONE OF THOSE MANY THAT NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC AND PUBLIC NEEDS TO SEE THIS SORT OF THING IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE THE I IMPETUS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

THE BLACK POPULATION OF THIS COUNTRY HAS PUT UP WITH -- SINCE FIRST ARRIVING ON THIS CONTINENT.

I MEAN, SO MUCH THAT IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'VE BECOME -- IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS BUT WE CAN'T GO ON LIKE THAT.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES IS MARGINALIZED.

WE'RE ALL MIXED AND STUFF WITH JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING.

SO TRYING TO SINGLE ONE GROUP OUT FROM ANOTHER IS A LOT LESS EASY TO DO.

AND THE OTHER ONE IS THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO ACCEPT THE KILLING OF KENNETH CHAMBERLAIN OR ANY KENNETH CHAMBERLAIN.

JUST UNACCEPTED.

KENNETH, I WANTED TO TURN TO YOU IN REGARDS TO THE CASE ITSELF.

INITIALLY A GRAND JURY CHOSE NOT TO INDICT THE OFFICERS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN YOUR FATHER'S SHOOTING DEATH.

SO, FIRST, I WOULD ASK IF YOU CAN SHARE WITH US WHAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND THAT?

WELL, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN THE BEGINNING WHEN WE TOOK THE CASE TO TRIAL CIVILLY.

LET ME SAY THAT IN 2012, ON A LOCAL LEVEL, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY SHE PROMISED THE FULL AND FAIR INVESTIGATION.

CAME BACK WITH NO TRUE -- EVEN WHEN THEY SPOKE ABOUT THE RACIAL SLUR HURLED ABOUT MY FATHER MOMENTS BEFORE HE WAS KILLED, SHE JUSTIFIED IT BY SAYING IT WAS USED AS A TACTIC TO DISTRACT MY FATHER.

THAT WAS INSULTING ITSELF.

SO WE DID MOVE FORWARD CIVILLY AT THAT POINT.

MOST PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THIS IDEA OF THEY THINK WHEN YOU GO TO FEDERAL COURT AND YOU'RE GOING TO SUE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR SUE THE CITY, THAT YOU ARE DOING IT FOR MONETARY GAIN.

THAT YOU JUST TRY TO MAKE A BUCK.

THAT IS FAR FROM THE TRUTH.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE YOUR ATTORNEYS, YOUR INVESTIGATORS ALL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INVESTIGATE THIS CASE, LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN, LOOK AT WHAT WAS OR WASN'T SUBMITTED ON A LOCAL LEVEL, AND HOPE DO YOU CAN GET IT INTO FEDERAL COURT.

THE JUDGE WE HAD HEARING THE CASE, SHE TOOK THE MEAT OF OUR CASE, ON THE VERY BEGINNING, AND THREW IT OUT.

SO BY THEN REJECTING THE WRONGFUL DEATH LAWSUIT, WE HAD TO FILE THE APPEAL.

THEN IN 2020, LAST YEAR, WE WON THE APPEAL.

WE WON THE APPEAL BASED ON THE QUALIFIED IMMUNITY.

SAYING THAT THE OFFICERS WERE NOT PROTECTED.

THE JUDGE'S DECISION, THEY SAID THAT INSTEAD OF TREATING MR.

CHAMBERLAIN LIKE A CRITICALLY ILL PATIENT, THEY TREATED HIM LIKE A CRIMINAL SUSPECT.

NOW WE'RE BACK IN COURT AND WE'RE HOPING NOW THAT WE'LL GET SOME TYPE OF ACCOUNTABILITY IN MY FATHER'S KILLING.

BUT THIS IS THE THING THAT WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH FROM THE VERY BEGINNING AND BY US WINNING THE APPEAL, WHAT WE DID OF OUTSIDE OF WINNING THAT, WE CREATED CASE LAW.

SO CASE LAW IS VERY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE FIGHTING THESE CASES.

YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAY CHAMBERLAIN V. OF WHITE PLAINS.

THE ORIGINAL DECISION WAS THIS BUT THE JUDGES IN THE SECOND CIRCUIT OVERTURNED THAT DECISION BASED ON THIS.

YOU KNOW, THAT GIVES THE FAMILIES A FIGHTING CHANCE.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE KILLING OF KENNETH CHAMBERLAIN, SR.

IT'S ABOUT THE KILLING -- LET'S SAY IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY.

IT'S ABOUT THE KILLING OF FLOWERS, THE KILLING OF SAMUEL CRUISE.

IT'S ABOUT THE KILLING OF JONATHAN MALDONADO.

NAMES THAT PEOPLE WILL NEVER HEAR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT THESE CITIES HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE CASES GET SWEPT UNDER THE RUG.

SO WHEN I'M OUT HERE FIGHTING FOR MY FATHER AND I'M PUSHING FOR ACCOUNTABILITY, I'M NOT JUST DOING IT FOR MY DAD.

I'M DOING IT FOR THOSE FAMILIES, AS WELL.

THEY NIGHT -- NEED A FIGHTING CHANCE, AS WELL.

COMING UP WITH THIS MOVIE AND COMING UP WITH THE NAME IT WAS FUNNY BECAUSE WE SAT AND WE THOUGHT AND WE WERE SAYING WHAT SHOULD WE CALL IT?

YOU KNOW, I RECENTLY WAS THINKING ABOUT ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZURE.

YOU KNOW, THEY VIOLATED HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

BUT THEN WE WERE SITTING THERE AND THEY SAID NO.

WE SAID, SO, WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS MOVIE?

THEY KILL HIM.

WHAT HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE?

THEY KILLED HIM.

SO WE'RE GOING TO GET RIGHT TO THE POINT AND WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT 'THE KILLING OF KENNETH CHAMBERLAIN.'

IT'S A HARD MOVIE TO LOOK AT.

IT'S HARD TO TAKE IN.

I MEAN, EVERY TIME I LOOK AT IT, YOU GET THE SAME REACTION.

THE TEARS FALL FROM MY EYES.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'M RELIVING THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

THAT'S -- WE WON'T EVEN BEGIN TO DISCUSS THE TRAUMA THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

YOU KNOW, THAT NOT JUST MYSELF BUT MY FAMILY HAD TO DEAL WITH.

IF YOU NOTICE, HE HAS NOT YET MENTIONED JUSTICE IN THIS CASE BECAUSE HE'S BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG, I MEAN, KENNETH JUNIOR, THAT JUSTICE IS NOT SOMETHING -- HE EXPECTS TO GET IN THIS WHOLE SITUATION.

WHAT IS NECESSARY IS ACCOUNTABILITY.

AND WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

YOU SEE THE MOVIE AND YOU KNOW.

BUT THIS SORT OF -- MURDER.

K KENNETH DID YOU MENTION THE ONE TIME, THE PAPERS SAID POLICE SHOT -- WIELDING MAN?

NO.

I DID NOT BRING THAT UP BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FIGHTING THESE TYPES OF CASES, WE KNOW IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE NARRATIVES THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL PUT OUT THERE IMMEDIATELY AFTER THEY COMMIT THESE TYPES OF ACTS.

ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY DID WHEN MY FATHER WAS KILLED, THEY SAID POLICE KILLED HATCHET WIELDING MAN.

NOW IF YOU, AS A REPORTER, AS A JOURNALIST, AS SOMEONE THAT INVESTIGATES STORIES SUCH AS THESE, AND I COME TO YOU AND SAY WIFE CLAIMS POLICE SHOOT AND KILL HATCHET WIELDING MAN.

YOU THINK THERE'S A MAN IN THE STREET TRYING TO HURT OR KILL PEOPLE AND POLICE HAD TO TAKE HIS LIFE.

NOT POLICE RESPOND TO A WELFARE CHECK AND END UP KILLING AN INNOCENT MAN.

TWO DIFFERENT STORIES.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT NARRATIVE OF PUTTING THE NARRATIVE OUT THERE.

I HAD TO STOP IT IMMEDIATELY.

AS SOON AS THE POLICE DID THAT, I MADE SURE TO LET THEM KNOW THAT NO, NO.

THEY WERE RESPONDING TO A MEDICAL CALL.

A POSSIBLE MEDICAL EMERGENCY.

HOW DOES A POSSIBLE MEDICAL EMERGENCY END IN DEATH?

YOU ARE THERE TO CHECK ON HIS WELFARE.

HIS WELL BEING.

TO SEE IF HE WAS OKAY.

IS IT BECAUSE YOU WERE COMING TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, HIGH CRIME RATE?

BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE BLACK AND HISPANIC.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING UP A COUPLE OF BLOCKS TO THE RIGHT TO A MORE AFFLUENT AREA WHERE IF THEY TELL YOU, I'M FINE, GET AWAY FROM MY DOOR, YOU'LL SAY, OKAY, SORRY TO HAVE DISTURBED YOU.

SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE DEALING WITH AS FAR AS MY FATHER'S CASE IS CONCERNED

WELL, BUT, YEAH, AT THE SAME TIME YOUR FATHER'S CASE AND WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM, AS MORGAN POINTED OUT, IS BY NO MEANS HAPPENING WITHIN A VIDEO VIDEOCASSETTE -- VACUUM.

I WONDER WHERE IT FITS IN WITH THE -- NOT ONLY THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT BUT YOUR ORGANIZATION WORKS ON POLICE REFORM AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ACTIVISTS, PARTICULARLY CONNECTED TO BLACK LIVES MATTER FOR JUST SAYING NO.

JUST ABOLISH THE POLICE.

WHAT IS YOUR ORGANIZATION WORKING?

I GUESS WHERE DO YOU STAND -- AGAIN, CONSIDERING WHAT YOUR FAMILY HAS BEEN THROUGH.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS MAKE IT DLEER -- IT CLEAR THAT MY FAMILY AN I ARE NOT ANTI-LAW ENFORCEMENT.

NEVER HAVE BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE.

WE ARE ANTI-INDIVIDUALS WHO DO WHATEVER THEY THINK THEY CAN.

THAT'S OUR STANCE AND OUR POSITION.

SO IF YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT JUST FEEL LIKE YOU CAN DO SOMETHING WITH IMPUNITY, THEN I'M ANTI-YOU, PRETTY MUCH.

BUT I'M NOT A FAN OF DEFUNDING THE POLICE.

I THINK IT'S SEMANTICS.

PEOPLE HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DEFUNDING.

OKAY.

WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS REALLOCATE FUNDS.

THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO YOU WANT TO SAY, WELL, DO YOU HAVE MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS ON YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT TEAM?

NO, WE DO NOT.

WELL, WE'RE GOING TO REALLOCATE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS THAT YOU USED TO BUY A TANK.

WE'RE GOING TO SAY NOW TAKE THAT MONEY AND HIRE SOME SOCIAL WORKERS.

OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PUSHING FOR YOU TO DO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE BODY CAMERA ISSUE, AND MAKE SURE THAT'S THERE AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE MONEY BECAUSE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT STORAGE AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO STORE THAT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT ANY CAMERA FOOTAGE NEEDS TO BE IN A CENTRAL LOCATION THAT POLICE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO BECAUSE IT CAN DISAPPEAR.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH INDIVIDUALS THEY ENCOUNTER IN THE STREET, WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE MENTAL HEALTH OF THE OFFICERS.

BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE MENTALLY SOUND AFTER SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR OR FIVE YEARS ON THE JOB.

SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, MY ORGANIZATION, WESTCHESTER COALITION FOR POLICE REFORM.

WE ALSO WILL HAVE FORUMS.

WE'LL INVITE LEADERSHIP.

WE'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT NOT JUST WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU ARE STOPPED BY POLICE, BUT HOW DO YOU SURVIVE A LAW ENFORCEMENT ENCOUNTER.

YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE RIGHT THINGS TO DO SO THEY DON'T JUST SAY I FEAR FOR MY LIFE.

THEN THERE'S BLACK LIVES MATTER, THE ORGANIZATION, AND THEN BLACK LIVES LATER THE MOVEMENT.

YOU SEE AND WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

AND JUST BECAUSE YOU YELL BLACK LIVES MATTER OR PUT A HASHTAG DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE A PART OF A MOVEMENT.

AND TO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OUT THERE, STOP SAYING BLACK LIVES MATTER IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SHOW US THAT BLACK LIVES MATTER.

YOU KNOW.

DON'T JUST SAY IT BECAUSE IT'S POLITICALLY ADVANTAGE USE AND IT WORKS FOR YOUR PLATFORM.

YOU KNOW, SHOW ME.

TAKE STEPS.

PUT MECHANISMS IN PLACE THAT WHEN THESE OFFICERS COMMIT THESE ACTS THAT THEY'RE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

MORGAN, I WANT TO ASK YOU, YOU SPOKE SO ELOQUENTLY AND TO THE POINT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOTHING NEW THE STORY, UNFORTUNATELY, WITHIN THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN EXPERIENCE.

I WANTED TO GET YOUR TAKE ON -- DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR MAYBE EVEN FEARS ABOUT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AND BY THIS I MEAN ALL THE PUBLIC BLACK AMERICANS, WHITE AMERICANS, BECOMING NUMB TO BLACK PAIN?

TROUBLE -- NO --

DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS?

HAVE YOU LEAST ME?

NO, I STILL HEAR YOU.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

NOW YOU'RE BACK.

YES, OKAY.

DID YOU CATCH MY QUESTION?

[ INAUDIBLE ] FOR A MINUTE.

LIKE NOW.

OKAY.

BECAUSE WE'RE COMING -- WE HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT -- [ INAUDIBLE ]

CAN YOU HEAR ME?

I CAN HEAR YOU BUT YOU'RE BREAKING UP.

OH, LORD.

I'M BREAKING UP.

OKAY.

POSSIBLY BE, YOU KNOW, THE CONNECTION BUT I HEARD IT.

OKAY.

CAN YOU HEAR ME?

PEOPLE ARE DESENSITIZED.

IF I TELL YOU, AS A BLACK MAN THEY SAY KENNETH CHAMBERLAIN JUNIOR GOT SHOT BY THE POLICE DOWN THE STREET.

WHAT DID HE DO?

WHAT DID HE DO TO GET SHOT BY THE POLICE BECAUSE THE POLICE DON'T COMMIT CRIMES.

THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING WRONG.

WE KNOW THAT'S NOT TRUE.

POLICE OFFICERS LIE.

POLICE OFFICERS COMMIT CRIMES.

SO PEOPLE ARE DESENSITIZED.

THEY TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THESE ARE ISOLATED INCIDENTS AND THEY DON'T HAPPEN AS FREQUENTLY.

THEY WILL TALK ABOUT WHITE PEOPLE -- BY POLICE OFFICERS.

AND TALK ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE AND SAY HOW, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE 62% OF THE POPULATION AND THEY'RE SHOT AT A HIGHER RATE.

I SAID I'M NOT A GREAT MATHEMATICIAN, I SAID, BUT BLACK PEOPLE ARE ONLY 13% OF THE POPULATION AND WE'RE 2.5 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE SHOT AND KILLED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SO I THINK THAT'S A MUCH HIGHER RATE WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT NUMBERS.

OF COURSE.

I HATE TO INTERRUPT BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

I WANT TO THANK BOTH OF MY GUESTS MORGAN FREEMAN, THE EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF 'THE KILLING OF KENNETH CHAMBERLAIN' AND MR. KENNETH CHAMBERLAIN, JR.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, MAKING SURE THIS FILM GETS VIEWED BY THE PUBLIC.

WE'RE ON IT.

. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

♪

> 'METROFOCUS' IS MADE POSSIBLE BY -- SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III.

SYLVIA A. AND SIMON B. POYTA PROGRAMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT ANTI-SEMITISM.

THE PETER G. PETERSON AND JOAN GANZ COONEY FUND.

BERNARD AND DENISE SCHWARTZ.

BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG.

THE AMBROSE MONELL FOUNDATION.

AND BY -- JANET PRINDLE SEIDLER.

JODY AND JOHN ARNHOLD.

CHERYL AND PHILIP MILSTEIN FAMILY.

JUDY AND JOSH WESTON.

DR. ROBERT C. AND TINA SOHN FOUNDATION.