METROFOCUS: December 7, 2020

This is our weekly front page forecast. We talk about coronavirus fatigue and the push back against New York’s restrictions as cases surge. We also assess the ongoing battle to get people to buy into the vaccine as some New York City students head back to school. Weighing in tonight are political commentator and CUNY Professor J.C. Polanco, and author and Rutgers University associate professor of political science Dr. Saladin Ambar.

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THIS IS 'METROFOCUS' WITH RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD, AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

'METROFOCUS' IS MADE POSSIBLE BY SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III, THE SYLVIA A. AND SIMON B. POYTA PROGRAMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT ANTI-SEMITISM.

BERNARD AND DENISE SCHWARTZ, BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG, AND BY JUDY AND JOSH WESTON, DR. ROBERT C. AND TINA SOHN FOUNDATION.

> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO 'METROFOCUS,' I'M JENNA FLANAGAN, THIS IS OUR WEEKLY FRONT PAGE FORECAST.

BY NOW YOU KNOW THE ROUTINE, EVERY MONDAY NIGHT WE BRING YOU A LOOK AHEAD AT NEWS MAKING HEADLINES AND HOW IT IMPACTS THE TRI-STATE AREA.

TONIGHT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CORONAVIRUS FATIGUE AND PUSHBACK AGAINST RESTRICTIONS, SPECIFICALLY ON STATEN ISLAND.

WE'LL ALSO ADDRESS ONGOING BATTLE TO GET THE PUBLIC TO BUY INTO THE VACCINE AS SOME NEW YORK CITY STUDENTS HEAD BACK INTO THE SCHOOLS.

AND WE'LL DISCUSS NEW YORK'S FORMER MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI TESTING POSITIVE FOR THE VIRUS.

WITH ME, J.C. POLANCO, FACULTY AT CUNY AND FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE NEW YORK CITY BOARD OF ELECTIONS.

WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW.

I LOVE COMING ON, THANKS SO MUCH FOR WATCHING US TODAY.

AND ALSO JOINED BY FREQUENT GUEST PROFESSOR SALADIN, EAGLETON INSTITUTE OF POLITICS, NOTED AUTHOR, PROFESSOR ANBAR, WELCOME BACK TO 'METROFOCUS.'

ALWAYS GREAT TO BE HERE, TH THANKS FOR THE WONDERFUL INTRODUCTION.

START WITH THE FATIGUE THAT EVERYONE IS STRUGGLING WITH.

WE HAVE SEEN NOTED PROTESTS, SPECIFICALLY ON STATEN ISLAND, ONE OF WHICH UNFORTUNATELY ENDED IN VIOLENCE, I BELIEVE THE MANAGER OF A PUB RAN HIS CAR AND HIT A DEPUTY WHILE FLEEING FROM ARREST.

AFTER AUTHORITIES CONFRONTED HIM ABOUT THE PROTESTING.

SO WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE, I GUESS, JUST NEW YORK?

AGAIN, FATIGUE EVEN IN MY QUESTION YOU CAN HEAR IT.

FATIGUE IS SO HEAVY ON ALL OF US.

J.C., YOUR THOUGHTS.

FIRST I PRAY THAT THE BETHANY SHERIFF COMES OUT OF THIS OKAY.

THIS WAS TRAGEDY THAT HAPPENED OVER THE WEEKEND.

I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY ALL YOUR VIEWERS, MYSELF AND EVERY PANELIST BEFORE YOU JENNA AGREES ON THE RIGHT OF PEACEFULLY PROTESTING, MAKING SURE WE RETAIN THAT RIGHT AND HEAR OUR FELLOW CITIZENS WHEN THEY REDRESS GOVERNMENT.

FACT OF THE MATTER IS THIS TOOK A TURN NONE OF US AGREE WITH OR SUPPORT.

THOSE STANDING UP IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING THE GENERAL MANAGER BEFORE ALSO MAKES SURE TO SHARE CONCERN FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DEPUTY SHERIFFS.

NOW HAVING SAID THAT, FATIGUE IS NO JOKE.

WE'RE SUFFERING A GREAT DEAL.

PARENTS ARE SUFFERING ACROSS THE CITY WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN NEW YORK CITY PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.

16,000 RESTAURANTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE CLOSED.

MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS AND ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW TO PAY THE RENT, WAITING FOR GOVERNMENT TO FINALLY PROVIDE RELIEF WITH SOME SORT OF STIMULUS CHECK.

AND LOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY ON STATEN ISLAND, VERY DIFFERENT PLACE THAN REST OF THE CITY, SEEN THEIR BUSINESSES GO UNDER.

FACT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND SEE WHAT APPEARS TO BE SOMETIMES CAPRICIOUS NATURE OF WHEN TO DECIDE TO CLOSE RESTAURANTS AND BARS, REALLY NOT JUST INCONVENIENCE FOR US AS CUSTOMERS BUT IT IS THEIR LIFE BLOOD, HOW THEY PAY UTILITIES, RENT, MORTGAGES, HOW THEY FEED THEIR FAMILIES.

AND DESPERATION IN CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS IS TAKING TURN FOR THE WORSE.

DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

DON'T SEE ANYTHING FROM CONGRESS TO HELP THE SMALL BUSINESSES AND THEY NEED HELP.

IT'S NOT ABOUT INCONVENIENCE, IT'S LIFE OR DEATH FOR MANY.

AND HOPE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PUTS ASIDE IDEOLOGICAL DIFFERENCES AND COMES THROUGH FOR SMALL BUSINESSES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

IN NEW YORK CITY WE SEE SUFFERING, STATEN ISLAND IS TAKING ON A LOT OF THE BRUNT FOR THE CLOSURES OF THE SMALL BUSINESSES.

PROFESSOR?

J.C. IS RIGHT, WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S LOT OF MISMANAGEMENT OF NOT ONLY THE VIRUS BUT A DEFINITIVE POLICY TO WORK FOR EVERYONE.

CAN'T ASK PEOPLE TO STAY HOME THEN NOT GIVE THEM FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO MANAGE.

YOU CAN'T ASK BUSINESSES, SMALL OR OTHERWISE, TO SHUT DOWN OR REDUCE HOURS WITHOUT SOME KIND OF AID TO THEM.

JOHN F. KENNEDY ASKED ASK NOT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY, ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT IF THE SOCIAL CONTRACT IS BROKEN AND PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE THEIR COUNTRY IS WILLING TO PAY ITS END OF THE BARGAIN.

IT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT SITUATION.

I FEEL FOR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS IN STATEN ISLAND OR OTHERWISE.

WE'VE GOT TO GET AID TO PEOPLE WHO NEED IT, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU MENTION THE BROKEN AS YOU PUT IT SOCIAL CONTRACT.

BECAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING EITHER REPAIRING FOR PERHAPS RE-ESTABLISHING WHAT THE SOCIAL CONTRACT SHOULD BE WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL DEFINITELY SEE AS AN ISSUE IN 2021 UNDER THE NEW BIDEN/HARRIS ADMINISTRATION.

WITH THAT I ASK, BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN SO MUCH PUSH FROM THE LEFT, PARTICULARLY FROM THE SO-CALLED SQUAD, GROUP OF CONGRESSWOMEN WHO I BELIEVE HAS EXPANDED FURTHER WITH NEW PROGRESSIVE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE NOW GOING TO HAVE A COUNTERPOINT, AND THAT IS WITH AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE FREEDOM FORCE, WHICH WILL MOST LIKELY BE LED BY STATEN ISLAND AND NOT JUST -- AND BROOKLYN, CONGRESSWOMAN ELECT NICOLE M MELIOTAKIS.

YOU'VE SPOKEN SEVERAL TIMES THAT PROGRESSIVES SOMETIMES NEED PUSHBACK TO NOT INSIST SO MUCH ON ONE WORLD VIEW.

IS THIS REALLY THE RIGHT WAY TO HAVE ANOTHER GROUP INSISTING ON ONE WORLD VIEW OR WILL THERE BE COMPROMISE COMING?

I THINK THIS IS INTERESTING, THE SQUAD, AS THEY'RE KNOWN, THEY'VE CROSSED OVER FROM POLITICAL STARDOM TO REALLY POP CULTURE STARDOM.

LEADER OF THE GROUP, JUDGING TELEVISION SHOWS.

AND SHE'S AS POPULAR AS YOUR NEXT MUSIC ICON, CROSSING RACE, CLASS AND AGE BOUNDARIES.

MY DAUGHTER, NOW 17, IS HUGE SUPPORTER OF AOC.

WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT A 16-YEAR-OLD THEN WOULD HAVE FOUND PASSION IN POLITICS.

THEY'RE A FORCE TO BE RECKONED.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE THE CONGRE CONGRESSWOMAN-ELECT AND OTHERS SAYING GOING TO SUPPORT THE SOCIALIST IDEAS OUT OF THAT WING.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE DEBATE AND LISTEN TO BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE.

COMPETITION OF IDEAS IS GOOD.

BUT I'M CAUTIOUS AND CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE MESSAGE FROM THE POLAR OPPOSITE SQUADS IF YOU WILL REALLY POISON THE DISCUSSION ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND US HERE, IN POPULAR CULTURE WHEN WE CAN'T DISAGREE WITHOUT BEING OFFENSIVE, DISAGREE ON POLICY WITHOUT CALLING EACH OTHER NAMES.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT HAPPENING AND THESE TWO SQUADS DISCUSSING THE PRESSING POLITICS WITHOUT GETTING INTO PERSONAL NASTINESS WE'VE SEEN IN LAST FOUR YEARS.

THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME.

PROFESSOR ANBAR AND I DISAGREE BUT RESPECT EACH OTHER AND DON'T CALL EACH OTHER NAMES ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

WHEN WE HAVE POLARIZING ISSUES IN SOCIETY, CAN GET NASTY.

CONCERNED ABOUT IT MOVING FORWARD.

GREAT POINT, ARE THE TWO UNOFFICIAL CONGRESSIONAL GROUPS SETTING US UP FOR BETTER DEBATE OR MORE DIVISION OF ALREADY DIVIDED COUNTRY.

WORDS MATTER, LANGUAGE MATTERS A GREAT DEAL, IN CONGRESS, PRIVATE LIVES AS CITIZENS, ALL MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

WE'VE HAD DIVISIVE FIGURES.

BILL CLINTON, NEWT GINGRICH, MANY OTHERS OVER THE YEARS.

WHAT'S NEW IS DIVISIVENESS AND DIFFERENCE HAS PREVENTED PEOPLE FROM MAKING DEALS TO BENEFIT THE AMERICAN OF PERSON.

AS WE ALL KNOW AND ARE TIRED OF SAYING, THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED CRISIS IN THE NATION'S HISTORY.

IDEOLOGY DOESN'T PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE, PAY THE RENT, KEEP A SMALL BUSINESS OPEN.

END OF THE DAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REACH COMPROMISES, SOME THAT PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT ARE GOING TO FIND DISTASTEFUL AND OTHERS THAT PEOPLE ON THE LEFT WILL FIND DISTASTEFUL TO MOVE THE COUNTRY FORWARD OUT OF THE HUGE QUAGMIRE WE'RE IN, HEALTH-WISE AND ECONOMY.

THAT MEANS DEALING WITH FELLOW CITIZENS AND LEGISLATORS NOT AS ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE BUT AS LINCOLN SAID, WE MUST NOT BE ENEMIES BUT FRIENDS.

FRIENDS WILL DIFFER, FAMILY WILL DIFFER BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, MAGNITUDE OF THE CRISIS AND RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE TO HAVE FREEDOM TO LIBERTY, TO BE WHOLE, FREE FROM WANT AS FDR SAID, ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE PREEMINENT RATHER THAN A PARTICULAR IDEOLOGY OR POINT OF VIEW, THAT MEANS COMPROMISE OR NOT GETTING ALL OF WHAT YOU WANT.

THAT HAS TO BE WHAT THE PEOPLE EXPRESS AND WHAT LEGISLATORS ACTUALLY PUSH FOR.

I'M SORRY, WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO SAY?

ISSUE IS THE COMPROMISE FACTOR IS LOST BECAUSE OF THE POLARIZATION OF OUR POLITICS TODAY.

IF YOU HAVE A DEMOCRAT WILLING TO COMPROMISE WITH REPUBLICANS AND TRY TO SEEK A MIDDLE GROUND, OFTEN THE SQUAD WILL ATTACK AND ATTACK VICIOUSLY.

WHAT I MEAN, THEY WILL SET PRIMARIES AGAINST THAT INDIVIDUAL SO THEY LOSE AND DON'T SEE ANOTHER DAY IN CONGRESS.

SAW IT WITH SEVERAL DEMOCRATS WHO TRIED TO COMPROMISE WITH REPUBLICANS.

TODAY THE SQUAD DECIDED THAT SENATOR JOE MANSION IS PUBLIC ENEMY NUMERO UNO.

DEMOCRATIC SENATOR.

BUT ATTACKED BY THE SQUAD TO THE POINT TO SEEK TO GET HIM OUT NEXT TIME.

DECLARED WAR ON HIM AND CONSTANTLY BEATING UP ON HIM BECAUSE HE'S LOOKING FOR COMPROMISES.

ON MY SIDE, FORGET ABOUT IT.

LET THERE BE A REPUBLICAN SEEKING COMPROMISE WITH A DEMOCRAT, YOUR DAYS WILL BE NUMBERED, YOU'LL BE PRIMARIED AND NOT SEE ANOTHER DAY IN THE HOUSE.

THAT'S WHY ONLY 25 MEMBERS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN HOUSE OR SENATE WILL PUBLICLY RECOGNIZE PRESIDENT-ELECT BIDEN.

POLARIZATION OF THE POLITICS HAS MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPROMISE AND WHY FAMILIES ARE STILL WAITING FOR $1,200 CHECKS TO GET THROUGH THE HOLIDAYS.

FREEDOM SQUAD MAY WORK AS PROFESSOR ANBAR MENTIONED FOR COMPROMISE OR FURTHER DIVISION.

PROFESSOR, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD?

IT'S WELL SAID.

LOOK, WE HAVE NOT ONLY CORONA FATIGUE, WE HAVE TRUTH FATIGUE ALSO.

70% OF REPUBLICANS DON'T NECESSARILY BELIEVE THE ELECTION WAS LEGITIMATE.

PROBABLY SAME 70% DIDN'T BELIEVE BARACK OBAMA WAS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES.

TRUTH FATIGUE, CORONA FATIGUE, COMPROMISE FATIGUE.

THAT'S NOT WAY TO RUN A COUNTRY.

UNITED STATES IS A GREAT EXPERIMENT IN DEMOCRACY.

WE CAN'T ALLOW IT TO BE DESTROYED AS LINCOLN SUGGESTED IN 1838 BY SUICIDE.

WE HAVE TO REACH OUT.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY THINGS IN PUBLIC DEBATE BUT AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DEAL.

IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.

MITCH McCONNELL, AOC, OTHERS, THE SQUAD, NEW SQUAD, THEY'RE GOING TO BE FINE, THEY HAVE HEALTH CARE, CAN FEED THEIR FAMILIES.

WHAT HAS TO BE PUT FRONT AND CENTER ARE WORK PEOPLE, POOR PEOPLE, PEOPLE STRUGGLING TO MAKE TO MIDDLE CLASS OR UPPER MIDDLE CLASS.

HAVE NO RESOURCES OR SAVINGS RIGHT NOW, RENT IS DUE.

CAN'T TALK ABOUT THESE PEOPLE ENOUGH, IRRESPECTIVE OF PARTY AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY -- AND I FEAR A TURN TOWARDS VIOLENCE AS YOU ALLUDED TO EARLIER AS THROWING UP ARMS TO HEAVEN FOR HELP.

WE CAN'T GO THAT ROUTE.

THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE.

INCUMBENT ON RESPONSIBLE LEADERS OF EITHER PARTY OR IDEOLOGY, SOME J.C. SUPPORTS, OTHERS I SUPPORT.

END OF THE DAY INDIVIDUAL AT HOME IS THINKING I HAVE LITTLE GIRL IN SCHOOL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO HER.

CAN I STAY HOME TO BE WITH HER?

WHAT AM I GOING TO DO ABOUT RENT?

THAT'S THE INDIVIDUAL WE NEED TO CARE ABOUT.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS RIDICULOUS AND SILLY.

UNTIL WE CAN MANAGE WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THAT YOUNG WOMAN OR COUPLE AT HOME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO TOMORROW OR NEXT MONTH WHEN THE RENT IS DUE.

AND AS YOU BOTH POINTED OUT, SOME SORT OF RELIEF PACKAGE IS SORELY NEEDED BY JUST EVERYONE, ALMOST EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY.

I DO WANT TO TURN TO A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT ON POLITICS, THAT IS TO TOUCH ON THE -- I GUESS IF YOU WILL -- FIRESTORM THAT FORMER PRESIDENT OBAMA SORT OF IGNITED WHEN HE CRITICIZED NOT NECESSARILY THE MISSION BEHIND DEFUND THE POLICE BUT THE INSISTENCE ON USING THAT SLOGAN.

AND WE SAW THAT AS A STICKING POINT IN STATEN ISLAND.

SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SAY THAT'S PART OF THE REASON IT'S CONGRESSWOMAN-ELECT MALLIOTAKIS AND NOT RETURN OF ROSE.

IS THIS A HILL WORTH DYING FOR DEMOCRATS?

THERE'S SO MUCH PASSION ABOUT THE NEED FOR CHANGE WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS BUT AT THE SAME TIME -- PROFESSOR, I REALLY WANT YOUR TAKE ON IT.

IS IT WORTH THE FIGHT OVER THE LANGUAGE?

FOR ME IT'S NOT.

I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA ON THIS, DISAGREED WITH HIM ON ANY NUMBER OF ISSUES OR POLICIES OVER THE YEARS AND WHEN IT'S THE OTHER WAY, I'VE SUPPORTED HIM.

I AGREE THAT DEFUND THE POLICE IS NOT BEST POLITICAL SLOGAN.

HAVING SAID THAT, I WILL SAY WE HAVE A WHOLE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT STILL IS NOT ACKNOWLEDGING SYSTEMIC RACISM.

MAYBE MITT ROMNEY MARCHED IN BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTEST, BUT SUPPORT FOR THE IDEA, TRUTH OF LIVED EXPERIENCES FOR BLACK FOLK IN THIS COUNTRY AND MANY OTHERS, THERE IS SYSTEMIC RACISM AND MUCH OF IT DOES EXIST IN AMERICA'S POLICE FORCE.

THERE'S NO WAY AROUND THAT.

WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BASIC TRUTH FIRST.

AND DEAL WITH THE REALITY THAT'S PROMPTED ALL OF THIS, FROM KAEPERNICK ON DOWN, WHICH IS THAT BLACK MEN AND WOMEN ARE BEING DISPROPORTIONATELY SHOT AND KILLED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THIS COUNTRY FOR A REASON.

NOT BECAUSE BLACK PEOPLE ARE IMAGINING THIS HAPPENING TO THEM.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE SLOGAN THE PROBLEM.

I DISAGREE WITH PEOPLE WHO THINK THE SLOGAN DOESN'T NEED EXPLANATION OR IS FINE.

IT'S PROBLEMATIC.

IT'S PROVEN THAT.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.

ISSUE IS THE DEATH OF UNARMED BLACK PEOPLE.

HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK WE DO HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO GET THE OTHER SIDE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THERE IS A PROBLEM AND ALSO PEOPLE ON THE LEFT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT SLOGAN IS NOT REALLY EXPLAINING PERHAPS WHAT EVEN PEOPLE ON THE GROUND ACTUALLY WANT IN MANY OF THOSE COMMUNITIES, WHICH PRESENTS IDEA THAT SOMEHOW POLICING IN GENERAL IS THE PROBLEM.

IT'S BAD POLICING, CORRUPT POLICING, HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT POLICING, BUT DOESN'T MEAN ALL POLICING AND FUNDING HAS TO BE DESTROYED.

BUT EVEN MY SAYING THAT AS EXPLANATION OF DEFUND THE POLICE TAKES TIME AND PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO GET THROUGH SLOGANS, RESOURCES TO READ ARTICLES ON POLICE REFORM.

SO THE SLOGAN IS AN OBSTACLE, BUT BIGGEST OBSTACLE IS UNWILLINGNESS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BLACK AND BROWN LIVES ARE BEING DESTROYED IN THIS COUNTRY WITH TOO GREAT A FAMILIARITY.

WE HAVE TO RESOLVE THAT PROBLEM AND EVEN IF WE CAME UP WITH NEW SLOGAN, WOULD PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN SYSTEMIC RACISM DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT?

ONUS HAS TO RETURN TO THAT QUESTION.

J.C., YOU'VE BEEN SAYING IT WHOLE TIME ABOUT THE SLOGAN.

SLOGAN SHOCKS THE -- LIKE THE VIDEO OF BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE DYING AT HANDS OF SOME BAD POLICING SHOCKS THE CONSCIENCE AS WELL.

WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA, AFRICAN -- A BLACK MAN WHO WON THE POPULAR VOTE TWICE, THE ELECTORAL VOTE TWICE FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO SAY I DON'T THINK IT'S SMART TO DO, TO SEE THE HUBRIS OF THE FOLKS ON THE GROUND, MOST LEFT PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT, SO MUCH AS GO TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND ATTACK PRESIDENT OBAMA ON ABSURD.

SAME AS ME COMPLAINING ABOUT DR. FAUCI'S POLICIES ON THE VACCINE, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO PROTECT AMERICANS FROM THE VIRUS.

LIKE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO MEAN WELL HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT AMERICAN POLITICS COMPARED TO PRESIDENT OBAMA.

FACT OF THE MATTER IS HE'S RIGHT.

YOU CAN'T WIN MAJORITIES IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TO DEAL WITH IOTA OF THE ISSUES REGARDING SYSTEMIC RACISM IF YOU CONTINUE TO PUSH AN AGENDA THAT COSTS YOU MAJORITY IN HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

FACT IS THE REASON THE DEMOCRATS HAVE THE MAJORITY IN HOUSE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES AND WITHIN A SKIN OF MY TEETH OF MAJORITY BY WINNING IN GEORGIA IS YOU RUN CENTRIST DEMOCRATS THAT WIN IN REPUBLICAN AREAS.

END OF THE DAY THIS IS ABOUT POLITICS.

IN ORDER FOR DEMOCRATS TO WIN THE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE, THEY HAVE TO WIN IN PLACES WHERE DONALD TRUMP WON TWICE.

AND YOU WIN THAT WITH CONOR LAMB IN WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA, DEMOCRATS ABLE TO WIN IN RED DISTRICTS.

GET CLOSE TO SENATE MAJORITY BY HAVING JOE MANSION WIN A SOLIDLY RED STATE.

DON'T WIN ANY OF THESE AND DEAL WITH SYSTEMIC RACISM BY PUSHING AGENDA THAT COSTS YOU THOSE SEATS.

WHAT HAPPENED THIS TIME AROUND?

DEMOCRATS LOST 12 MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES BECAUSE PUSHING AGENDA OF DEFUNDING THE POLICE IN RURAL DISTRICTS WITH NO POLICE PRECINCTS IN EVERY CORNER WHERE IT AFFECTS THE VOTE AND COST THE DEMOCRATS MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE WHERE THAT SLOGAN WAS A DANGER.

WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA SAYS YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT, IT'S BECAUSE HE KNOWS FULL WELL THIS NEXT TIME AROUND THE SEATS NECESSARY FOR REPUBLICAN TAKEOVER IN THE HOUSE MAY VERY WELL HAPPEN BECAUSE OF SLOGANS THAT ARE IRRESPONSIBLE, SHORT-SIGHTED AND REALLY ARE GOING TO COST YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUES OF SYSTEMIC RACISM AT ALL.

THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT I THINK PRESIDENT OBAMA BRILLIANTLY STATED.

UNFORTUNATELY YOU HAVE PEOPLE REPRESENTING DISTRICTS WITH A CUP OF WATER REGISTERED DEMOCRAT.

WHAT THE SPEAKER SAID, CUP OF WATER THAT REGISTERED DEMOCRAT COULD WIN SOME OF THE DISTRICTS.

WHY NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE REPRESENTING SOLIDLY RED DISTRICTS AND BEGGING YOU.

FIX ISSUES IN POLICING, NOT TALK ABOUT DEFUNDING AND COST A SEAT.

I'M SURE THIS IS A DEBATE WE'LL SEE SPILL OVER WELL INTO 2021 AS THE BIDEN/HARRIS ADMINISTRATION TAKES OVER.

I WANT TO TURN THE CONVERSATION BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED, AND HONESTLY WHERE ALL OF US ARE.

THE REASON WHY THE THREE OF US ARE MEETING ON ZOOM AND NOT IN PERSON, THE CORONAVIRUS.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT VERY SOON SOME FDA IS SET TO APPROVE THE VACCINE.

BUT THAT HAS CREATED ANOTHER PROBLEM.

NOT JUST GETTING PEOPLE VACCINATED BUT GETTING PEOPLE WILLING TO TAKE THE VACCINATION.

I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE MORE THAN HALF OF THE FDNY HAS ALREADY SAID THEY WON'T TAKE THE VACCINATION.

WE'VE SEEN SEVERAL ELECTED LEADERS, FORMER PRESIDENTS, EVEN MAYOR de BLASIO SAYING HE WILL DO IT ON TV TO GET PEOPLE TO ACCEPT AND UNDERSTAND IT'S SAFE TO TAKE THE VACCINATION.

J.C., START WITH YOU.

WE'VE GOTTEN THIS FAR, ALMOST A LIGHT AT END OF THE TUNNEL BUT INVOLVES PEOPLE WILLING TO GET A SHOT.

THERE'S HISTORICAL CONSEQUENCES WHY YOU SEE A LOT OF PUSHBACK, ESPECIALLY BY BLACK AND LATINO COMMUNITY.

YOU HAVE TO SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED WHEN BLACKS AND AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND PUERTO RICANS AND OTHERS ARE FIRST TO TAKE VACCINES, FOUND OUT LATER THERE WERE NEFARIOUS MOTIVES FOR PICKING THOSE PEOPLE TO BE FIRST TO TAKE VACCINES.

THAT'S THE HISTORICAL REASON FOR CONCERN.

BUT GREAT TO SEE THE BLACK AND LATINO DOCTORS IN FOREFRONT TRYING TO CALM THE WATERS, EXPLAINING THIS IS A DIFFERENT ERA AND THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE THE VACCINATION AS WELL SO WE FEEL CONFIDENT.

IF WE EVER GET IT, PROFESSOR ANBAR AND I ARE WILLING TO DO IT ON CAMERA I'M SURE.

WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU ON CAMERA, I'M NOT SURE THE LOGISTICS.

NOBODY'S IN THE STUDIO SO DON'T HAVE TO BRING A DOCTOR IN.

PROFESSOR, WE'RE SO CLOSE BUT PRETTY FAR AWAY WITH PUBLIC CONCERN AND OPINION.

IT IS A WICKED PROBLEM AS J.C. HAS IT RIGHT AS HE DOES ON OCCASION, GETS IT RIGHT FOR SURE.

HE'S RIGHT ABOUT THE HISTORY.

PEOPLE ARE NOT IMAGINING NEFARIOUS ACTIVITIES OUT OF THIN AIR.

THERE HAVE BEEN VERY DEVASTATINGLY AWFUL AND DARE I SAY EVIL ACTS CONDUCTED BY OUR GOVERNMENT IN THE PAST WITH REGARD TO VACCINES AND PEOPLE OF COLOR.

WE KNOW THAT, GOT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

HAVING SAID THAT, I WILL TAKE THE VACCINE, MY CHILDREN WILL CERTAINLY TAKE IT.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT SCIENCE MATTERS AND IT'S GOING TO BE A FUNDAMENTAL WAY WE MOVE OUT OF THE ZOOM WORLD INTO A WORLD WHERE WE CAN SEE EACH OTHER IN REAL LIFE, IN FLESH AND BLOOD.

MENTIONED EARLIER THERE'S A TRUTH DEFICIT.

THERE'S A TRUST DEFICIT.

WE'VE GOT TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THAT TO HELP PEOPLE HAVE TRUST NOT SO MUCH IN THE GOVERNMENT BUT IN THE DOCTORS, PHYSICIANS, NURSES, DR. FAUCIS OF THE WORLD, BLACK AND LATINO PHYSICIANS IN THE COMMUNITY, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THE WORD OUT.

WE HAVE A HISTORY OF DISTRUST AND MUCH OF IT EARNED, WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY NOW TO MOVE BEYOND THAT IN THIS INSTANCE SO PEOPLE SUFFERING THE MOST, POOR PEOPLE, BLACK PEOPLE, LATINO PEOPLE AND OTHERS, PEOPLE WITH HIGH RISK AND VULNERABILITIES, UNDERLYING CONDITIONS, THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT ONLY ABLE TO TAKE THE VACCINE BUT WANT TO TAKE IT, ARE WILLING TO TAKE IT.

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN 2020 MOVING INTO 2021, IT'S DAUNTING TASK TO GET PEOPLE TO TAKE THIS VACCINE.

I KNOW -- NOT ALL UNEDUCATED, IGNORANT PEOPLE, NO Ph.D.s AND JDs AND WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE FOR SURE AND HIGHLY EDUCATED PEOPLE LOOKING THROUGH SIDE EYE AT THIS VACCINE COMING AND WONDERING ABOUT IT.

WE'VE GOT TO DO A JOB TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AND NOT PUT PEOPLE DOWN FOR HAVING THOSE CONCERNS.

BECAUSE IF WE PUT THEM DOWN, NEVER GOING TO GET THEM TO SEE THAT THE VACCINE IS GOING TO BE HELPFUL.

AND OBVIOUSLY, HAVE TO BE LOTS OF PEOPLE ON THE GROUND WORKING IN THE COMMUNITY, VARIOUS COMMUNITIES OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

GENTLEMEN, UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

THANKS BOTH FOR JOINING ME, IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SPEAK WITH YOU.

WE'LL DO SO AGAIN SOON.

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