MetroFocus: October 26, 2020

METROFOCUS FRONTPAGE FORECAST

Unedited and unabashed! We’ll take you behind the presidential Stahling on CBS as well as the headlines affecting the nation and the tri-state with political commentator and CUNY Professor J.C. Polanco, noted author, associate professor of political science at Rutgers University and a senior scholar at their Eagleton Institute of Politics, Dr. Saladin Ambar and NY Daily News editorial board member, Laura Nahmias.

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> THIS IS 'METROFOCUS' WITH RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD, AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

'METROFOCUS' IS MADE POSSIBLE BY SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III, SYLVIA A. AND SIMON B. POYTA PROGRAMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT ANTI-SEMITISM.

BERNARD AND DENISE SCHWARTZ, BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG, JANET PRINDLE SEIDLER, JODY AND JOHN ARNHOLD, CHERYL AND PHILIP MILSTEIN FAMILY, JUDY AND JOSH WESTON, DR. ROBERT C. AND TINA SOHN FOUNDATION.

> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO 'METROFOCUS.'

I'M JENNA FLANAGAN.

WE'RE GOING TO BRING YOU NEWS OF THE NATIONAL AND LOCAL HEADLINES TON AND TALK ABOUT VOTING.

WILL IT GET BETTER AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE ELECTIONS?

THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS IS AGAIN UNDER FIRE AND TENSES OVER THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE ARE BOILING OVER.

THEN THE OTHER BIG ISSUE, COVID-19.

NOW, THE WHITE HOUSE IS SAYING THAT THEY OFFICIALLY CAN'T CONTROL THE SPREAD OF THE VIRUS.

GOVERNOR CUOMO, ON THE OTHER HAND, IS SAYING HE HAS A NEW PLAN TO FIGHT IT AND DR. FAUCI IS SAYING A VACCINE COULD BE READY BY THE END OF THE YEAR BUT THERE IS A CATCH.

SO LET'S GET STARTED WITH OUR ROUNDTABLE.

JOINING ME TONIGH IS LAUREN NAMEAU, A MEMBER OF THE NEW YORK NEWS EDITORIAL BOARD.

LAURA, WELCOME FOR ME WHO MIGHT BE SURE WHICH SQUARE YOU ARE.

WE ALSO HAVE PROFESSOR AMBAR, AN AUTHOR AND SOASSOCIATE PROFESSO.

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GREAT TO BE HERE.

AND WE HAVE J. KRNCHTSJ.C.BL FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE NEW YORK CITY BOARD OF ELECTIONS.

WE WON'T HOLD YOU TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT.

A LONG, LONG TIME AGO.

WELCOME, J.C.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

J.C., WE'RE GOING TO START WITH YOU SO FAR IT LOOKS LIKE EARLY VOTING IN NEW YORK STATE HAS SHOWN EXTREMELY LONG LINES, EXTREMELY LONG WAITS, FRUSTRATION ON THE PART OF A LOT OF VOTERS.

IS THIS INDICATIVE OF MISTAKES, PERHAPS, MADE ON THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS OR IS THIS INDICATIVE OF OVEREAGER VOTER ENTHUSIASM?

> WELL, JUST FOR YOUR VIEWERS, I HAVEN'T BEEN AT THE BOARD FOR SEVEN YEARS SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE.

I THINK THAT I VOTED EARLY WITH MY DAUGHTER ON SATURDAY, TOOK HER TO THE POLLS SO SHE COULD BE PART OF THE ACTION.

WHAT I SAW WERE LONG LINES OF PEOPLE THAT WERE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC TO BE COME OUT AND VOTE.

THIS IS THE VERY TIME WE HAVE EARLY VOTING FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

NEW YORK CITY IS THE LARGEST BOARD IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, MORE THAN 5 MILLION VOTERS.

I DIDN'T SEE THE PROBLEMS THAT PEOPLE I HEAR ABOUT AND IRRESPONSIBLE OFFICIALS MENTIONING VOTER SUPPRESSION, WHEN YOU HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE EXCITED TO BE PART OF THIS.

WE GOT ONLINE HOURS BEFORE THE POLLS OPEN.

ONCE WE GOT IN, IT ONLY TOOK A FEW MINUTES.

WE SAW COURTEOUS STAFF COMING DOWN THE LINE, MAKING SURE WE HAD PPE, THANKING US FOR COMING AND VOTING.

YOU SAW NEW YORK CITY EXCITED TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS.

THEY COULDN'T WAIT TO GET OUT.

I THINK MANY PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY WOULD AGREE THERE'S ENTHUSIASM AND, YES, THERE IS VOTER SUPPRESSION IN MANY PLACES.

I'LLING BE THE FIRST TO SAY IT WHAT WE SAW WAS NOT.

DR. ANBAR, THERE WERE SOME POLITICIANS THAT SAID THIS IS WHAT VOTER SUPPRESSION LOOKS LIKE, I HAD TO WAIT THREE HOURS TO CAST MY BALLOT.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE KINKS And ISSUES.

THIS IS AN HISTORIC ELECTION.

THERE'S A LEVEL OF ENTHUSIASM, PASSION, FEAR, ANY ADJECTIVE THAT YOU WANT TO USE THAT'S ATTACHED TO THIS ELECTION THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN MANY, MANY YEARS, CERTAINLY NOT IN MY LIFETIME.

AND VOTERS SUPPRESSION IS REAL, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

MY CONCERN, FRANKLY, IS IN STATES WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN, FRANKLY, REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS AND LEGISLATURES THAT HAVE SEEN VOTER SUPPRESSION HAS A REAL TACTIC FOR, YOU KNOW, REPRESSING DEMOCRATIC VOTERS, BLACK AND LATINO VOTERS IN MANY INSTANCES.

AND IN NEW YORK THAT HAS BEEN LESS OF A PHENOMENON AND INTEREST OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT'S A STATE THAT IS ESSENTIALLY A BLUE STATE.

NOT THAT THERE AREN'T RED DISTRICTS AND REPUBLICANS VOTERS IN NOEW YORK BUT IT'S LESS OF A CONCERN.

BUT IN THE PAST PLACES LIKE OHIO, FLORIDA, GEORGIA IN THE LAST ELECTION WHERE THAT'S BEEN FOR OF A PHENOMENON.

I THINK THIS IS MORE OF A CASE OF ENTHUSIASM AND ACCLIMATING THE PUBLIC TO WHAT IT'S LIKE AND ALSO IN AN HISTORIC ELECTION.

LAWYERURLAURA, I WANT TO INC IN.

I ALSO VOTED EARLY ON SATURDAY.

I REMEMBER ONE OF THE PEOPLE WORKING THE POLLS ASKING THE CROWD WHO HAD SHOWED UP YOU DO KNOW YOU HAVE A FULL WEEK TO DO THIS.

SO DO YOU THINK OR IS THERE A CHANCE THAT THIS LEVEL OF ENERGY AND EXCITEMENT AND LONG LINES IS SUSTAINED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE EARLY VOTING PROCESS OR CAN WE KIND OF EXPECT IT TO MAYBE CHILL OUT ONCE THE WEEK STARTS AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO GO TO WORK WHO MIGHT HAVE VOTED ON THE WEEKEND JUST TO GET IT OUT OF THE WAY AREN'T ONLINE?

I THINK THAT IT POSSIBLE THAT IT IS SUSTAINED THROUGH ELECTION DAY FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

ONE IS THAT I THINK THERE'S A PRETTY WIDESPREAD FEAR ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO ABSENTEE BALLOTS THAT ARE CAST, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL EFFECTIVELY BE COUNTED, WHETHER OR NOT IF YOU DROP IT IN THE MAILBOX, IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT BACK TO THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS TO BE COUNTED.

YOU HAVE THE PRESIDENT CASTING DOUBT ON BALLOTS CAST BY MAIL AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS EPIC SCREW UP AT THE NEW YORK BOARD OF ELECTIONS WHERE ALL OF BROOKLYN ESSENTIALLY GOT MAILED FWH BALLOTS THAT WERE THE WRONG NAMES AND TYPOS EVERYWHERE AND MISLEADING AND CONFUSING.

SO PEOPLE WHO CAN AND FEEL SAFE ENOUGH TO GO PHYSICALLY TO THE POLLS, IT SEEMS LIKE ARE CHOOSING THAT OPTION WHERE THEY CAN KNOW THAT THEY'RE CASTING THEIR BALLOT, WHICH WILL BE COUNTED ON ELECTION DAY AS OPPOSED TO SORT OF RISKING IT WITH A MAIL-IN BALLOT, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE BOARD OF ELECTION'S ASSURANCE THAT IT'S ALL SAFE AND IT'S GOING TO WORK OUT AND ALL OF THE BALLOTS WILL BE COUNTED AND THE MISTAKES OF THE PAST HAVE BEEN CORRECTED.

SO IT POSSIBLE THAT THIS IN-PERSON VOTING PHENOMENON IN NEW YORK SPECIFICALLY WHERE WE'VE SEEN THESE RECENT SORT OF MISHAPS CONTINUES, AS A PHENOMENON.

I WANTED TO SAY, JENNA, THIS IS VERY ERK XCITING TO SEE.

NEW YORK CITY HAS HAD INCREDIBLY LOW TURNOUT.

GUBERNATORIAL, LESS THAN 20% OF THE PEOPLE COME OUT.

I TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT NEW YORKERS CAME OUT AND VOTED IN LARGE NUMBERS AND TO SEE IT HAPPENING, IT'S A WONDERFUL THING.

AND I THINK THAT THE MORE NEW YORKERS AND YOUNG PEOPLE COME OUT AND VOTE, I THINK THE MORE POLITICIANS ARE GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT IN NEW YORK CITY.

THIS IS VERY GOOD ALL AROUND.

SOMETHING ABOUT THE BOARD THAT I NOTICED IS EVERY SINGLE MAN-MADE OR HUMAN MADE ORGANIZATION IS GOING TO BE IMPERFECT.

I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.

SOME ORGANIZATIONS MORE THAN OTHERS.

BUT ONE THING I'VE NOTICED ABOUT THE BOARD IS THAT PEOPLE EXPECT PERFECTION AND I THINK IT JUST UNFAIR.

YOU DON'T EXPECT PERFECTION AT THE DEFENDANT OF EDUCATION AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD.

YOU WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO LEARN AND TO GRADUATE.

PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THERE'S IMPERFECTIONS IN THE NYPD BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN IMPERFECTIONS AT THE NYPD AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

PEOPLE HAVE TO KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.

I HOPE THINGS ARE RECTIFIED BUT THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPERFECT.

WE'RE CLICK TO CALL THINGS NEFARIOUS AND INCOMPETENT WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED AND THAT'S ALL I WANDTED TO SAY.

IS THAT INDICATIVE OF THE CULTURAL AND POLITICAL CLIMATE WE'RE IN, WE SEE ANY TIME ANYTHING FALLS SHORT OF EXPECTATIONS THAT THERE IS AN EXPECTATION OF SOMETHING SINISTER AND NEFARIOUS TO CAUSE THAT.

IS THAT PART OF SOMETHING GOING ON IN OUR CULTURE RIGHT NOW?

POLITICAL SCIENTISTS HAVE STUDIED THIS FOR DECADES.

THERE HAS BEEN A REAL EROSION OF TRUST IN PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS, DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS ACROSS THE BOARD.

SOME OF IT IS WELL EARNED.

OUR POLITICIANS HAVE LIED TO US ABOUT WAR AND WATERGATE AND ANY NUMBER OF ISSUES, BUT SOME OF IT IS JUST THE KIND OF PARANOIA AND SOME OF IT IS FUELED BY THE INTERNET AND, FRANKLY, SOME OF IT IS FUELED BY OUR PRESIDENT WHO HAS SOUGHT TO, YOU KNOW, STOKE FEARS ABOUT VOTING AND -- IN PERSON OR VOTING BY MAIL AND SO FORTH AND IN A NUMBER OF OUR INSTITUTIONS THAT HAD BEEN LONG HERALDED BY THE PUBLIC.

SO SOME OF IT IS WELL EARNED, SOME OF IT IS JUST THE IGNORANCE THAT'S PUT OUT THERE AND FALSE INFORMATION PUT OUT THERE ONLINE AND SOME OF IT IS COMING FROM THE PRESIDENT.

SO THERE'S THIS MIXTURE OF REAL AND UNREAL AND, YOU KNOW, UNCALLED FOR, UNQUALIFIED FEARS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

I GUESS IT'S OUR JOB HERE TO TRY TO HELP THE PUBLIC AND JOB OF ELECTED OFFICIALS TO HELP THE PUBLIC DISCERN THAT IS A REAL GENUINE CONCERN ABOUT SOMETHING THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T BE CONCERNED ABOUT AND CERTAINLY PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE FAITH IN THE DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY ALL WE HAVE IN A DEMOCRACY IS THE SENSE THAT OUR VOTE COUNTS, THAT OUR ACTIONS AS CITIZENS COUNT AND IF WE LOSE THAT, THEN WE START TO LOOK TO ALTERNATIVES AND THAT'S REALLY DANGEROUS FOR OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT.

I THINK I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH J.C.

I THINK AS OPPOSED TO THE DOE OR NYPD, THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS HAS THESE VERY HIGH STAKES SENDING -- SINGLE DAYS OF THE YEAR IN WHICH THEY HAVE TO PERFORM VERY WELL AND IT IS VERY FAIR TO HOLD THEM TO AN INCREDIBLY HIGH STANDARD FOR THEIR PERFORMANCE.

IT'S SO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.

THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS HAS SO MANY SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS OR HAS HAD SO MANY SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS, I AM REMINDED OF A TIME WHEN I WENT UNDERCOVER TO TRAIN AS A POLL WORKER THE NEW YORK CITY BOARD OF ELECTIONS AND I HAD TO TAKE AN OPEN BOOK TEST, WHICH THE PROCTER WAS OPENLY ENCOURAGING EVERYONE TO CHEATON.

SHE W -- CHEAT ON.

SHE WAS GIVING THE ANSWERS IT PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T FIND THIS EMIN THE BOOK.

WE HAVE A PROBLEMATIC SYSTEM.

WE DON'T HELP THINGS THE WAY THEY'RE RUN.

I AGREE THAT YOU HAVE TO HOLD SOMEONE TO A HIGHER STANDARD.

MY ARGUMENT WAS ABOUT THE SINISTER MOTIVES.

DID NOT MEAN IN ANY WAY DON'T PUT THE FEET TO THE FIRE IN ANY WAY, LAURA.

I'M SURE WE WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO COME BACK ONCE WE FIND OUT WHATEVER THE RETURNS ARE AND DECONSTRUCT WHAT HAPPENED, AT LEAST WITH THE VOTING.

BUT WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT.

I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TENSIONS THAT THIS ELECTION HAS BROUGHT UP ON BOTH SIDES.

WE'VE SEEN PROTESTS, WE'VE SEEN COUNTERPROTESTS.

THERE WAS RECENTLY AN EVENT, I BELIEVE, WHERE AS MANY AS 11 PEOPLE WERE ARRESTED DURING A PROTEST.

OF COURSE THERE'S THIS NOW VIRAL VIDEO OF AN NYPD OFFICER I BELIEVE IN A CRUISER USING THE BULL HORN TO SORT OF VOCALIZE HIS SUPPORT FOR PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.

AND OF COURSE HAS NOW BEEN PUT ON SUSPENSION FOR DOING SO USING HIS OFFICIAL POLICE DEPARTMENT GEAR.

SO, LAURA, I WANT TO GO TO YOU AND FROM YOUR JOURNALISTIC PERSPECTIVE, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE TENSION LEVEL WITHIN THE CITY AT LEAST.

LET JUST FOCUS ON NEW YORK CITY AND PUT A PIN IN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

I THINK THAT TENSIONS ARE RUNNING SO HIGH BECAUSE -- IN PART BECAUSE THIS IS THE MOST POLARIZED ELECTION THAT I CAN REMEMBER IN TERMS OF POLICE OFFICERS AND CIVIL SERVANTS AND PEOPLE IN CITY GOVERNMENT AND NEW YORKERS HAVE ALWAYS HAD POLITICAL PREFERENCES.

THE NYPD COMMISSION ER, I BELIEE THE RECORD SHOWED ME VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP.

PEOPLE HAVE VOTED REPUBLICAN, THEY VOTED DEMOCRAT.

THERE USED TO BE A LITTLE MORE GENEROSITY OF SPIRIT FROM PEOPLE THAT IF YOU VOTED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BOTH SIDES COULD REASONABLY DISAGREE.

THERE'S A SENSE NOW, IT SEEMS, THAT IF YOU VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP, IT'S AN ACTIVELY -- OR IF YOU INTEND TO VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP, YOU ARE ACTIVELY VOTING FOR SOMETHING THAT IS HOSTILE AND DISCREDITING AND DENYING OF ENTIRE GROUPS OF PEOPLE.

IT'S SEEN AS LIKE AN OVERTLY HOSTILE ACT.

AND THE SAME THING FOR THE REPUBLICANS THINKING ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS.

IT L IT'S LIKE A ZERO SUM ANNIHILATION GAME THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN IN A VERY LONG TIME AND THAT HAS AMPED UP THE TNENSION AND HOSTILITY TO A FEVER PITCH.

PROFESSOR ANBAR, PROFESSOR OF POLITICAL SCIENCE, IS THAT REALLY THAT MUCH OF A UNIQUE TIME?

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE TENSIONS THAT THIS ELECTION SEEMS TO BE UNEARTHING WITHIN SO MANY OF OUR FELLOW CITIZENS?

THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I TALK ABOUT MY STUDENTS WITH THIS ALL THE TIME.

LATER TODAY I'LL BE DOING A ZOOM LECTURE ON THIS AND WE'LL BE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT 1968, WHICH WAS PROBABLY THE LAST TIME IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WE SAW THIS LEVEL OF TENSION, NOT ONLY IN NEW YORK BUT CERTAINLY NATIONALLY AND I DARE SAY THAT 1968 CASTS A REAL SHADOW OVER THE KIND CURRENT CRISIS.

YOU HAD GEORGE WALLACE STOKING FEARS, NIXON WITH LAW AND ORDER AND HUBERT HUMPHREY WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN DISARRAY, A VIOLENT DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION IN THE STREETS OF CHICAGO, ROBERT F. KENNEDY, DR. KING HAD DIED.

WE DON'T NEED TO RECOUNT EVERY EPISODE.

BUT CERTAINLY FOR THOSE OF US WHO VIEW THIS ELECTION AS HISTORIC, NOT ALWAYS FOR GOOD REASONS, BECAUSE OF THE FEARS AND POTENTIAL FOR VIOLENCE, IT'S WORTH REMEMBERING IN 1968 SOMEHOW THE NATION SURVIVED THAT CATASTROPHIC FEAR.

NOT WITHOUT GREAT COSTS AND I THINK WHAT WE ALL HAVE TO HOPE FOR IS THAT WE DON'T SEE ANY FURTHER INTENSIFICATION OF THE THREAT OF VIOLENCE MOVING FORWARD.

AND I WILL REMIND VIEWERS THAT NOVEMBER 3rd IS NOT NECESSARILY THE END OF OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE RIGHT AFTER, SOME CANDIDATE WILL LOSE.

IF IT'S PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, I THINK FRANKLY WE'RE FACING THE PROSPECTS OF A BACKLASH DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE AND, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY IF BIDEN WERE TO LOSE, IT MAY NOT FALL ALONG THE SAME LINES BUT DEPENDING ON HOW VOTERS INTERPRET THE RESULTS, WE COULD SEE THE POSSIB POSSIBILITIES VIOLENCE OR AT LEAST THEIR POTENTIALITY.

WE WANT TO BE AS PUBLIC SE SERVANTS, AS PEOPLE ON TELEVISION AND THE AIRWAVES, WE WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE DEMOCRACY IS PRECIOUS AND VIOLENCE IS NOT A SOLUTION TO THIS COUNTRY'S PROBLEMS AND THAT ULTIMATELY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE ALONG, EVEN IN FIERCE DISAGREEMENT AS A COUNTRY AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON MOVING FORWARD, EVEN BEYOND ELECTION DAY.

J.C., ALSO YOU'RE A PROFESSOR.

I KNOW THIS HAS GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME UP WITH STUDENTS AT THIS MOMENT BUT WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE TENSIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN JUST BOIL UP TO, IN SOME CASES, THE POINT OF MAYBE SMALL SKIRMISHES, SOME VIOLENCE, UNFORTUNATELY.

HOW DO YOU READ THIS?

I THINK, LAURA AND MR. ANBAR MAKE A GOOD POINT.

I THINK THE DIVISIONS WE SEE TODAY AREN'T BASED IN POLICY.

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE TALKING ABOUT TAXES AND INTERNATIONAL TRADE AND OPPOSITION TO TREATIES.

IT'S NOT WHAT'S GOING ON.

IT'S DO YOU SUPPORT THIS PERSON OR YOU DON'T.

IF YOU SUPPORT THAT PERSON, THEN YOU SUPPORT THE NASTINESS THEY STAND FOR.

IF YOU SUPPORT THAT OR PERSON, YOU SUPPORT COMMUNISM, I'VE HEARD.

THESE ARE RIDICULOUS TIMES.

I'M FASCINATED WITH 1968.

THE DOCUMENTARY I SAW AS A CHILD IN GRAMMAR SCHOOL I SEE NOW ON THE STREETS OF OUR COUNTRY AND IT SADDENS ME.

I REALLY HOPE THAT SOMEHOW A UNITER COMES OUT OF THIS.

THERE NEEDS TO BE A UNITER COMING OUT OF THIS.

THIS IS JUST NOT OKAY ANYMORE.

WE SEE NEW YORK DIVIDED, THE COUNTRY DIVIDED, FRIENDS ARE DIVIDED AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

IT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE BASED ON POLICY.

YOU DO KNOW THIS, VIEWERS, RIGHT?

THIS IS BASED ON SOMEONE'S CHARACTER AND THE COMPLETE CULT OF PENALTY AND IT SHOULD BE UPSETTING FOR VIEWERS TO KNOW THAT WE ARE NOW FIGHTING ABOUT DO YOU SUPPORT THIS PERSON.

NOT DO YOU SPORT CHARTER SCHOOLS, NOT DO YOU SUPPORT SCHOOL VOUCHERS.

DO YOU SUPPORT -- THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING ANYMORE AND IT REALLY CONCERNS ME.

AND AS TO HOW WE VIEW EACH OTHER BECAUSE OF THESE DICFFERENCES, T JUST SADDENS ME.

I HOPE A UNITER COMES OUT OF THIS ALL.

I THINK EVERYONE AGREES . IN IN COMPARISON TO 1968, IT DIT HAVE A GLOBAL PANDEMIC ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE.

WITH THAT IN MIND, TURNING TO THE CORONAVIRUS, THE WHITE HOUSE HAS SAID WE CAN'T CONTROL THE SPREAD, WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THERAPEUTIC AND GETTING PEOPLE BETTER.

WE'VE ALSO HAD GOVERNOR CUOMO SAYING HE HAS A PLAN TO FIGHT IT AND DR. FAUCI IS SAYING THERE COULD POSSIBLY BE SOME SORT OF VACCINE COMING AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

LAURA, FIRST I WANT TO START WITH YOU BECAUSE GOVERNOR CUOMO DID WRITE AN OP-ED IN YOUR PARTY ABOUT HIS PLAN.

YES.

HIS PLAN IS ACTUALLY THE PLAN THAT WE SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED FROM THE BEGINNING.

IT'S ABOUT HAVING ENOUGH TESTING CAPACITY TO QUICKLY IDENTIFY CASES BEFORE THEY BECOME A MASS OUTBREAK THAT'S UNCONTROLLABLE AND THEN ONCE THOSE CASES ARE IDENTIFIED, CONVINCING PEOPLE WHO ARE INFECTED TO ISOLATE THEMSELVES FROM OTHERS IN ORDER TO ALLOW ECONOMIC AND OTHER ACTIVITY TO CONTINUE OUTSIDE OF A SMALL CASE CLUSTER.

WE SAW OTHER COUNTRIES SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENT THIS STRATEGY FROM THE BEGINNING BY RAMPING UP TESTING CAPACITY VERY QUICKLY, BY PEOPLE HAVING FAITH IN CONTACT TRACING PROGRAMS AND IN AMERICA WHERE WE FAILED TO GET TESTING SUPPLIES VERY QUICKLY AND WHERE THERE WASN'T A UNIFIED FEDERAL POLICY GOVERNING TESTING AND SHUT DOWNS AND CONTACT TRACING, IT'S TAKEN US MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS AND IT'S STATE BY STATE WHERE EACH VIRUS LEVEL IS.

SO CUOMO'S PLAN IS NOT SOME GROUND BREAKING PLAN.

IT'S ACTUALLY THE SAME PLAN THAT THE CDC AND THE NIH AND THE CORONAVIRUS TASK FORCE WAS WORKING ON THAT WAS THEN BURIED BY THE WHITE HOUSE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T COMPORT WITH THE PRESIDENT'S DESPERATE DESIRE TO REOPEN THINGS MORE QUICKLY.

SO IT'S NOT THAT HARD.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF PAIN TO SHUT THINGS DOWN AND TO BE DISCI DISCIPLINED, BUT IF WE'D FOLLOWED IT FROM THE GET-GO AT A NATIONAL LEVEL, WE WOULD BE IN A MUCH DIFFERENT PLACE THAN WE ARE NOW.

J.C., WHAT IS YOUR TAKE AT LEAST ON THE GOVERNOR'S PLAN AND HOW THAT COULD PERHAPS GET NEW YORK MAYBE OUT OF THIS THIRD WAVE?

I MEAN, THE CASES ARE RISING ACROSS NEW YORK STATE AND AROUND THE COUNTRY.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ENTERING WHAT MANY PEOPLE DESCRIBE AS A DARK WINTER.

COULD THIS POSSIBLY BE THE ANSWER?

IT'S NOT LIKE PEOPLE DON'T CROSS STATE BORDERS.

WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING ON THE FLY UNFORTUNATELY WITH COVID-19 SINCE IT'S NEW.

WE LEARN UP TO THE MINUTE AND WE ACT UP TO THE MINUTE COULD WORK.

A LOT OF US IN NEW YORK CITY, WE SEE IT VERY DIFFERENTLY THAN THE REST OF THE STATE AND WE'RE MORE CONCENTRATED THAN THE REST OF THE STATE.

HIS DECISIONS HAVE GREATER IMPACT ON US BECAUSE WE ARE MORE POPULOUS.

SO WHEN THE REST OF THE STATE HEARS ANYTHING COMING OUT OF THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED BECAUSE ONE DECISION FROM A GOVERNOR WHO HAS THIS TYPE OF POWER COULD MEAN THE END OF THEIR LIVELIHOOD, COULD MEAN THE END OF THEIR BUSINESS.

THERE'S NO COMING BACK IN SOME PARTS OF UPSTATE AROUND RURAL NEW YORK.

THEY'RE GOING TO SEE ANYTHING THE GOVERNOR SAYS ABOUT HOW TO TREAT COVID WITH VERY KEEN EYE, VERY CONCERNED THAT IT MAY BE THE END OF THEIR ECONOMY.

SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL.

LAURA MENTIONED IT'S NOT THAT HARD.

WELL, IT COULD BE DEVASTATING FOR SOME PEOPLE TO SEE ANYTHING THAT INVOLVES CLOSING UP, EVEN AT THE MICROLEVEL.

SO I'D BE VERY CONCERNED AND MOSTLY CONCERNED WITH HOW LONG DOES THE GOVERNOR HAVE THIS KIND OF UNILATERAL POWER, HOW LONG BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE TAKES SOME OF THAT POWER BACK AND WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN FOR THE STATE.

POLITICALLY, PROFESSOR ANBAR, AND AGAIN, WE'RE SOLE LLY FOCUS ON GOVERNOR CUOMO, BUT HE HAS TAKEN A VERY FORCEFUL LEADERSHIP ROLE.

DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS THE PLAN THAT'S HE'S PUT FORWARD TO FIGHT THE VIRUS THAT IS STILL SPREADING, IS THIS A GOOD IDEA?

I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN THE DOCUMENT.

IT'S SORT OF A POLITICAL DOCUMENT, TOO, RIGHT?

THE LANGUAGE IN IT FAVORS THE GOVERNOR, NEW YORK TOUGH AND STRONG IS IN THERE.

IT'S FAMILIAR LANGUAGE.

AND COMFORTING LANGUAGE, FRANKLY, TO A NUMBER OF NEW YORKERS WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED COVID IN WAYS THAT THE REST OF THE COUNTRY HASN'T QUITE.

HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK THE REASON WHY IN PART THE GOVERNOR HAS TAKEN OR HAD TO TAKE SUCH A STRONG STANCE IS BECAUSE WE STILL DON'T HAVE A NATIONAL COMPREHENSIVE POLICY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT BUSINESSES NATURALLY THAT FACE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS.

THAT'S A HUGE HUMAN TOLL AND CATASTROPHE.

IF WE HAD A FEDERAL RESPONSE THAT SAID WE'RE GOING TO EAR MARK X AMOUNT OF FUNDS TO SMALL BUSINESSES, TO INDIVIDUALS AND DO IT IN A WAY THAT OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE AND SAY WE'RE IN IT TOGETHER AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GO UNDER, WE WILL GUARANTEE YOU ARE NOT GOING UNDER DURING THIS 90-DAY PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WE HAVE TO BE SHUT DOWN OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENED.

OUR FEAR OF GOVERNMENT IS OFTENOF OFTENTIMES OUR STRENGTH, WE LOVE LIBERTY, INDIVIDUALITY, INDIVIDUALISM BUT IT'S OFTEN A DAGGER TO OUR HEART.

OFTEN TIMES WE NEED GOVERNMENT TO STEP UP AND INTERVENE.

IT'S HARD TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

WE'RE NOT THERE BUT I WISH WE HAD A NATIONAL COMPREHENSIVE POLICY WHERE OFFICIALS SAID THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, WE'RE GOING TO STEP IN, ASK THAT YOU SHUT DOWN BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE FOR YOU WITH REAL MONEY AND REAL SUPPORT.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN OTHER SO-CALLED SOCIALIST DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD AND OUR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T IN THEORY ALLOW FOR THAT.

IF YOU'RE LIVING IN A RURAL COUNTY OR AREA, YOU KNOW, COVID IS A VERY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE VERSUS IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE TRAIN EVERY DAY.

AND SO THAT'S PART OF OUR CHALLENGE IS FINDING A WAY TO NATIONALIZE WHAT IS A NATIONAL PROBLEM BUT IN A COUNTRY AND IN A STATE WITH LOTS OF DIVERSITY.

PEOPLE FORGET HOW DIVERSE A STATE NEW YORK IS GEOGRAPHICALLY.

OF COURSE IT'S VERY DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE.

UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

WE HAVE RUN OUT OF TIME.

I WANT TO THANK MY PANEL ONCE AGAIN FOR JOINING ME.

YOU GUYS ARE GREAT.

OF COURSE WE WILL HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT NEXT WEEK.

'METROFOCUS' IS MADE POSSIBLE BY SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III, SYLVIA A. AND SIMON B. POYTA PROGRAMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT ANTI-SEMITISM.

BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG, JANET PRINDLE SEIDLER, JODY AND JOHN ARNHOLD, CHERYL AND PHILIP MILSTEIN FAMILY, BERNARD AND DENISE SCHWARTZ, JUDY AND JOSH WESTON, DR. ROBERT C. AND TINA SOHN FOUNDATION.

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