MetroFocus: July 29, 2020

Family. It’s arguably more important now than ever before. Whether it’s relatives or friends, family — however you define it — keeps us connected as the pandemic forces us to isolate. Our colleagues at PBS American Portrait are now exploring those connections and the state of families amid our national crisis. When the project first started earlier this year as part of PBS’ 50th anniversary celebration, the goal was to answer a simple yet complex question: what does it really mean to be an American today? Thousands of video responses flooded in from New York and across the country and people have also shared what family looks like to them. Those submissions are now at the heart of a new special co-produced with RadicalMedia titled “Family Of Us: A PBS American Portrait Story” — which premieres Sunday night at 10:30PM on Thirteen. Series producer Michèle Stephenson gives shares a preview of this exploration of the American family.  For more information on “Family Of Us: A PBS American Portrait Story,” click here

History once dictated that a woman’s place was in the kitchen. But in the male dominated restaurant world, they have been forced into a culinary battle for recognition and respect. Now, some of the world’s most renowned female chefs show us how they’re defying the odds. For more information on “A Fine Line: A Woman’s Place Is In The Kitchen,” click here. 

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> THIS IS 'METROFOCUS' WITH RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD, AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

'METROFOCUS' IS MADE POSSIBLE BY SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III, SYLVIA A. AND SIMON B. POYTA PROGRAMMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT ANTI-SEMITISM, BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG, JANET PRINDLE SEIDLER, JODY AND JOHN ARNHOLD, CHERYL AND PHILIP MILSTEIN FAMILY, BERNARD AND DENISE SCHWARTZ, JUDY AND JOSH WESTON, DR. ROBERT C. AND TINA SOHN FOUNDATION.

> WHEN I WAS 15, MY DAD WAS ARRESTED AND HE WAS LATER CONVICTED AND HE WAS SENTENCED TO LIFE IMPRISONMENT.

LAST TIME I GOT TO HUG HIM WAS LIKE IN 2015 WHEN I WENT TO HIGH DESERT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE PRISONS IN NEVADA WHERE HE WAS AFTER HE WAS SENTENCED TO LIFE.

A LOT OF MY LIFE HAS REALLY BEEN FOCUSED ON GETTING HIM OUT OF PRISON.

HE WAS ACQUITTED THIS YEAR, EXONERATED FOR A CRIME HE DIDN'T COMMIT AND RELEASED.

I WAS SUPPOSED TO GO SEE HIM, BUT THEN COVID HAPPENED.

A LOT OF OUR CORRESPONDENCE OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS HAS BEEN LETTERS.

WHEN I READ THESE LETTERS, IT REMINDS ME OF HOW -- HOW MUCH TIME PASSED, HOW MUCH OF MY LIFE WAS LIVED WITHOUT HIM.

AMELIA IS REALLY A MOTIVATED, YOUNG INTELLIGENT WOMAN.

I HAVE MISSED 8 1/2 YEARS OF -- OF THEIR LIVES.

THIS IS MY FAMILY.

I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU JUST A LITTLE SNIPPET OF MY FAMILY.

MY GRANDPA AND I HAVE THIS UNSPOKEN BOND.

I DECIDED TO DOCUMENT SEEING MY DAD.

WE BECAME A FAMILY.

I HAVE A BIOLOGICAL FAMILY, BUT THE FAMILY YOU CHOOSE LOVE YOU UNCONDITIONALLY.

> WELCOME TO 'METROFOCUS,' I'M JACK FORD.

FAMILY, HOWEVER YOU DEFINE IT, IT IS CERTAINLY THE ONE THING THAT IS KEEPING US CONNECTED NOW IN A TIME OF ISOLATION.

OUR COLLEAGUES AT PBS AMERICAN PORTRAIT ARE NOW EXPLORING THOSE CONNECTIONS AND THE STATE OF FAMILIES AMID THIS NATIONAL CRISIS.

WHEN THE PROJECT FIRST STARTED EARLIER THIS YEAR AS PART OF PBS'S 50th ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION, THE GOAL WAS TO ANSWER WHAT ON THE SURFACE APPEARS TO BE VERY SIMPLE BUT WE REALIZE IS FAR MORE COMPLEX.

THAT QUESTION IS, WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN TO BE AN AMERICAN TODAY?

WELL, THOUSANDS OF VIDEO RESPONSES FLOODED IN FROM NEW YORK AND ALSO ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

PEOPLE HAVE ALSO SHARED WHAT FAMILY LOOKS LIKE TO THEM.

THOSE SUBMISSIONS ARE NOW AT THE HEART OF A NEW SPECIAL CO-PRODUCED WITH RADICAL MEDIA TITLED 'FAMILY OF US: A PBS AMERICAN PORTRAIT STORY.'

JOINING US WITH A PREVIEW AND TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THIS ALL CAME BACK, WE'RE DELIGHTED TO HAVE THE SERIES PRODUCER, MICHELLE STEVENSON.

SHE'S AN AWARD WINNING FILMMAKER AS WELL AS CO-FOUNDER OF THE BROOKLYN-BASED RADA STUDIO.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE.

I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO WATCH THIS.

IT'S FASCINATING.

I THINK GOING INTO IT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THE IDEA WAS BEFORE EVERYONE WAS STRUCK BY THE PANDEMIC.

WELL, AMERICAN PORTRAIT WAS REALLY A NATIONAL STORYTELLING PROJECT THAT WAS SORT OF MULTIDIMENSIONAL IN ITS PURPOSE.

THE IDEA EMERGED OUT OF THE LAST ELECTIONS, BUT ALSO IN CONTEMPLATION OF WHAT THE 50th ANNIVERSARY OF PBS COULD LOOK LIKE.

AND WHAT BETTER WAY TO SORT OF CELEBRATE PUBLIC MEDIA AND PBS THAN TO REALLY TURN THE BALL OVER TO THE VOICES OF AMERICANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, TO HAVE A PLATFORM AND AN ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO SHARE THEIR STORIES, EITHER THROUGH TEXT, WRITING, THROUGH VIDEO AND THROUGH PHOTOGRAPHY.

AND SO 'AMERICAN PORTRAIT' WAS BORN OUT OF THAT, WITH THE NOTION OF USING SORT OF SPECIAL PROMPTS THAT WOULD PROVOKE THOUGHT AND WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO TELL THEIR STORIES.

SO IT CAME OUT OF THERE, FIRST WITH THE WEB PLATFORM.

THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF SUBMISSIONS NOW TODAY, THROUGH A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PROMPTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE TELLING THEIR STORIES, AND NOW WITH THE SERIES AND THE SPECIALS THAT ARE BEING BROADCAST.

THERE'S OTHER THING COMING DOWN THE PIKE AS WELL, TO CREATE THIS AMERICAN ECOSYSTEM OF STORIES.

CLEARLY THE PANDEMIC HAS CHANGED EVERYTHING IN OUR LIVES, HAD SOMETHING TO DO I SAW WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT YOU'RE NOT TRAVELING DOING THIS.

THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE DONE REMOTELY.

IT WORKS.

I CAN TELL YOU, IT WORKS BEING DONE REMOTELY.

IT'S NOT AS IF SOMETHING DIDN'T HAPPEN THE WAY YOU WANTED IT TO.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT -- WITH ALL THE SUBMISSIONS YOU GOT, HOW DID YOU THEN CHOOSE WHICH ONES TO INCLUDE IN THE FILM?

YEAH, YEAH.

IF I CAN DIAL BACK A LITTLE BIT, WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE PROJECT AND FOR THE SERIES IS, IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE ARE SORT OF PREPARED AS STORYTELLERS WITH THE PANDEMIC, WHEN THE PANDEMIC CAME.

WE WERE ALWAYS GOING TO WORK REMOTELY WITH PEOPLE SELF-SHOOTING ON THEIR PHONES.

NOT AS EXTENSIVELY AS NOW, BUT WE ENDED UP BEING ABLE TO SORT OF TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR REMOTE CAPABILITIES TO TELL THE STORY AND EVEN THE STORY OF COVID WHICH WAS IN THIS TOGETHER, WHICH HAPPENED AND WAS BROADCAST IN MAY.

IN TERMS OF HOW WE CURATE, WE LET OUT CERTAIN PROMPTS WHEN WE KNOW WE WANT TO DO A CERTAIN THEME.

WE REALLY CULL THE ACTUAL SUBMISSIONS, SO THEY KIND OF BECOME -- WE BECOME A DIALOGUE WITH THE SUBMISSIONS THAT ARE THERE TO SEE WHAT KIND OF SPECIALS WE CAN CREATE, WHAT KIND OF STORIES CAN WE CREATE.

WE FOCUS A LITTLE MORE NARROWLY ON SPECIFIC PROMPTS THAT WE CREATE.

WITH 'FAMILY OF US,' WE KNEW WE WANTED TO TELL A STORY ABOUT FAMILY.

WE LAUNCHED A PROMPT CALLED 'FAMILY LOOKS LIKE.'

IT CREATED A FLURRY, A FLURRY OF RESPONSES FROM WHICH THEN WE STARTED TO CARVE OUT THE STORIES WE BROUGHT.

THERE ARE SO MANY STORIES, BUT YOU DO FOCUS ON TWO PEOPLE HERE, A YOUNG WOMAN WHO IS A 22-YEAR-OLD COLLEGE GRADUATE, GOES BACK TO SPEND TIME WITH HER GRANDPARENTS, ESPECIALLY HER GRANDFATHER WHO IS SUFFERING FROM THE EARLY STAGES OF DEMENTIA AND ALSO AMELIA.

WE SAW A LITTLE BIT IN OUR INTRODUCTION, AMELIA AND HER RELATIONSHIP WITH HER FATHER WHO EXPERIENCED HIS OWN TROUBLES.

WHY CHOOSE TO FOCUS ON THOSE TWO?

WELL, THERE WERE TWO OBJECTIVES.

WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT BOTH OF THEIR STORIES STOOD OUT FOR US.

THEY WERE BOTH SUBMISSIONS THAT CAME AROUND APRIL, CONNECTED ACTUALLY TO THE PROMPTS WE DID AROUND THE PANDEMIC THAT I NEVER EXPECTED, TOO, AND THE OTHER PROMPT WHEN THIS IS OVER.

WHEN THEY CAME TO THE FOREFRONT, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT WITH REGARDS TO FAMILY IS THE IDEA OF CONNECTION BEING FUNDAMENTAL TO OUR EXISTENCE AS HUMAN BEINGS, AND ALSO LOOKING AT HOW THE ROLE OF FAMILY MAY HAVE CHANGED OR WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE TODAY IN 2020.

SO THEY WERE BOTH RESPONDING TO THE PANDEMIC AND WERE TELLING DIFFERENT STORIES -- AMELIA'S WAS ABOUT SEPARATION.

WHAT DOES SEPARATION LOOK LIKE, WHAT IS THE LONGING THAT WE DESIRE AS HUMAN BEINGS AND WHAT CONNECTION MEANS.

AND THEN WITH LIMIER IT WAS ABOUT INTERGENERATIONAL FAMILY RESPONSIBILITY.

ONCE WE'RE ALL UNDER THIS ROOF IN THE TIME OF COVID AND BEFORE, FOR SOME OF US, WHAT DO FAMILY INTERRACIAL FAMILY DYNAMICS AND SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITIES LOOK LIKE.

SO WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THEIR STORIES.

INTERESTING ENOUGH, LIMIER IS A BURGEONING FILMMAKER.

HER WAY OF TELLING HER STORIES AND HOW SHE REALLY ENDEARED US TO HER GRANDFATHER WAS SOMETHING THAT REALLY MOTIVATED US TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH.

THAT WAS FASCINATING, WHEN SHE SAID THAT, AND YOU SAW HER TALENTS ALREADY AS A STORYTELLER.

I'VE GOT ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT HERE.

MY QUESTION IS, I MENTIONED THE VARIOUS PROJECTS, 'AMERICAN PORTRAIT.'

WHAT ELSE ARE YOU WORKING ON THAT WE CAN EXPECT DOWN THE ROAD IN THE NEXT WEEKS OR MONTHS?

IN TERMS OF THE SPECIAL SERIES WE HAVE 'FAMILY OF US' AIRING AUGUST 2nd.

WE HOPE EVERYBODY WILL EITHER TUNE IN OR COME ON TO THE STREAMING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE WOULD LOVE FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE WHAT FAMILY LOOKS LIKE FOR THEM.

AFTER THAT IS 'GENERATION NATION,' LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS GENERATIONS AND THE IMPACT AND HOW THEY ARE -- EACH GENERATION IS DEALING DIFFERENTLY WITH THE EFFECTS OF THE 2020, PEOPLE AND UNCERTAINTY AROUND A PANDEMIC WORLD.

THAT'S GOING TO BE OUT IN OCTOBER.

THEN WE HAVE, OF COURSE, THE SERIES THAT WILL BE BROADCAST IN JANUARY.

IT'S FABULOUS FILMMAKING, TIME THAT WE NEEDED.

'FAMILY OF US,' A PBS AMERICAN PORTRAIT STORY.

MICHELLE STEPHENSON, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING WITH YOU AGAIN AS WE MOVE DOWN THE ROAD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

APPRECIATE IT.

YOU TAKE CARE.

GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO FOLKS.

I'M JENNA FLANAGAN.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE RESTAURANT WORLD, MEN HAVE RULED THE KITCHEN FOR DECADES.

IN FACT, IT'S BEEN SAID THAT IT'S EASIER FOR A WOMAN TO BECOME A CEO THAN A HEAD CHEF.

BUT SOME OF THE INDUSTRY'S LEADING VOICES ARE FIGHTING BACK.

THEY'RE PUSHING TO ELIMINATE THE SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND DISCRIMINATION WOMEN HAVE ENCOUNTERED IN RESTAURANTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

FOR YEARS FEMALE CHEFS HAVE STRUGGLED TO BREAK THROUGH THE INDUSTRY'S GLASS CEILING, LAND TOP JOBS AND EARN THE RESPECT THEY FEEL THEY DESERVE.

THAT STRUGAL FOR SUCCESS AS WELL AS PAVING THE WAY FOR THE NEXT GENERATION IS AT THE HEART OF THE DOCUMENTARY, A FINE LINE, AIRING ON PBS.

HERE IS A PREVIEW.

I GOT EIGHT REJECTION LETTERS SAYING WE DON'T TAKE WOMEN IN OUR KITCHENS.

WOMEN CAN COOK AS HARD AND FAST AS MAN.

I'M A KID WHO LIVES IN A HOUSING PROJECT, ZERO EDUCATION.

IN MY HEAD, I KNEW WHAT I WANTED.

THIS IS WHAT I KNOW HOW TO DO.

THIS IS THE ONLY THING I KNOW HOW TO DO REALLY, AND I'M GOOD AT IT.

WHEN I OPENED THE FIRST RESTAURANT, I HAD ONE CHILD.

I SAID, I HAVE THIS TORMENT IN ME.

I'M A MOTHER.

I WANT TO STAY WITH HER ALL THE TIME, YET, I HAVE THIS BUSINESS AND I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT IT AND I WANT TO DO THAT AND I NEED TO DO THAT.

THE PEDIATRICIAN LOOKED ME STRAIGHT IN THE EYES AND SAID CHILDREN WANT HAPPY PARENTS.

MAKE IT HAPPEN.

PEOPLE SAY TO ME, WHY DO YOU KEEP GROWING.

WHY SHOULDN'T I?

WHY SHOULDN'T I DO WHAT I LOVE?

I COME IN HERE AND IT'S HOME.

I KNOW MY KIDS ARE GOOD.

I FEEL THAT I'VE ACCOMPLISHED WHAT I SHOULD HAVE DONE FOR MY FA FAMILY.

NOW IT'S MY TURN.

JOINING US IS THE FILM'S DIRECTOR, PRODUCER AND WRITER, JOANNA JAMES AS WELL AS VICTORIA BLAMEY, EXECUTIVE CHEF OF THE ACCLAIMED GOTHAM BAR AND GRILL, HONORED AT THE NEW YORK CITY PREMIER FOR HER WORK IN THE INDUSTRY AND BEING AN EXAMPLE OF LEADERSHIP FOR WOMEN CHEFS AND RESTAURANTEURS.

WELCOME YOU BROTH TO THE PROGRAM.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

JOANNA, I HAVE TO SAY, THIS FILM IS SO INCREDIBLY RELATABLE.

THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT THE CHEF WORLD, ABOUT THE RESTAURANT WORLD.

THIS IS REALLY ABOUT WOMEN.

I'M WONDERING WHY YOU CHOSE TO FOCUS ON THIS PARTICULAR ASPECT OF IT.

NUMBER ONE, I WAS INSPIRED TO SHARE MY MOTHER'S STORY, SPOILER AL LEFT.

MY MOTHER HAS BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY FOR OVER 30 YEARS.

I WAS RAISED IN THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY BY HER SIDE.

SO SEEING SOMEONE WHO WAS SO GOOD AT WHAT SHE WAS DOING, LOVED IT, GAIFR IT HER ALL, BUT YET FACED BARRIERS AND OBSTACLES, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

THEN I BECAME A WORKING MOTHER WHEN I STARTED MAKING THIS FILM ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO AND EVERYTHING STARTED TO RESONATE ON A MUCH DEEPER LEVEL.

AND THEN, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WOMEN FACE IN THIS INDUSTRY, THE HOSPITALITY OR RESTAURANT ISSUE ARE REALLY ISSUES WE FACE ACROSS ALL INDUSTRIES.

SO ONCE WE CAN START TO EXPLORE WHAT THE REASONS ARE AND TRY TO TAP INTO ERASING THEM, WE'LL SEE MORE WOMEN IN LEADERSHIP AND OWNERSHIP, AS OPPOSED TO THE DISPARITY THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.

VICTORIA, FROM YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE, HAVING SEEN THIS FILM, WAS THERE SOMETHING THAT PARTICULARLY JUMPED OUT AT YOU THAT YOU WERE LIKE, THAT WAS MY STORY, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT HAPPENED TO ME.

YOU KNOW, I LOVED VAL.

HER STORY, I THOUGHT IT WAS INCREDIBLE.

AND I WAS MENTIONING ACTUALLY, IT KIND OF MADE ME CRY WHEN SHE SAID I BECAME A BULL.

I HAVE BILLS, LOANS, AND KIND OF LIKE YOU FEEL AN OVERWHELMING WAVE THAT IS JUST EATING YOUCHLT YOU.

I THINK THAT YOU BECOME NOT NECESSARILY WHO YOU ARE BUT WHO YOU HAVE TO BE AT THE TIME, I THINK FOR SURE RESONATES WITH ME RIGHT NOW, 100% LEVEL.

I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH, THE FACT THAT SO MANY OF THESE WOMEN FOUND THEIR CALLING AS CHEFS THROUGH OTHER WOMEN, I.E. THEIR MOMS OR GRAND MOTHERS, ET CETERA.

HOW MUCH DID YOU FIND THAT TO BE A COMMON THREAD JUST IN THE COOKING WORLD IN GENERAL?

THAT'S THE THING, THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BLOCK THEIR RISE TO SUCCESS BECAUSE THEY'RE A WOMAN.

THE TRUTH IS THAT ALL THE GREATEST CHEFS, MOST OF THEM, MALES, OF COURSE, AS WELL, WERE INSPIRED BY THEIR MOTHERS OR THEIR GRAND MOTHERS.

SO IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW BAD DO YOU WANT IT AND YOU'LL REACH THERE.

AS WOMEN, YOU HAVE TO WORK TWICE, TRIPLE AS HARD TO PROVE YOURSELF ON TOP OF THAT ESPECIALLY 20, 30 YEARS AGO IT WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ARENA IN TERMS OF THE HARASSMENT, IN TERMS OF THE THINKING THAT WOMEN COULDN'T HANG AND COULDN'T DO IT.

NOW, THANKFULLY, IT'S BECOME MORE PROFESSIONALIZED.

A LOT OF THAT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT JUST WOULDN'T BE TOLERATED TODAY.

STILL, WHEN IT COMES TO WOMEN RISING INTO LEADERSHIP, LIKE VICTORIA SAID, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH MEDIA.

YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT WOMEN AREN'T GETTING AS MUCH COVERAGE, AS MUCH RECOGNITION OR AWARDS.

THAT HAS A DIRECT CORRELATION TO FUNDING AND ACCESS TO CAPITAL.

BUT BEYOND THAT, IT'S ALSO THAT WOMEN HAVE TO REALLY WANT IT BAD ENOUGH BECAUSE YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO FACE SO MANY MORE OBSTACLES JUST BECAUSE OF YOUR GENDER UNFORTUNATELY.

UNFORTUNATELY.

WITH THE WHOLE ME TOO MOVEMENT WE'VE SEEN, SO MANY STORIES OF UNFORTUNATELY SOME DEPLORABLE BEHAVIOR THAT'S GONE ON IN ALL INDUSTRIES, BUT DEFINITELY IN THE RESTAURANT WORLD.

VICTORIA, I WANTED TO GET YOUR TAKE IN HOW YOU'VE SEEN IN THIS SHORT TIME CHANGES BEGIN TO HAPPEN AS A RESULT OF THAT.

HAS THERE BEEN ENOUGH?

DO YOU THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE THAT'S DONE?

I DON'T THINK IT'S ENOUGH AND I THINK IT'S TOO SOON -- I THINK RIGHT NOW YOU CAN TAKE THE TEMPERATURE OF THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE LIVE IN, BUT I THINK IT'S TOO SOON TO JUDGE AND SAY THINGS ARE CHANGING.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE JUST MORE SCARED THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

I THINK IT WAS KIND OF RETREAT MODE OF, OH, IT COULD BE YOU NEXT.

INSTEAD OF BEING, WHAT IS IT THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WRONG, AND WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN DO BETTER.

WHAT'S ACTUALLY INTERESTING FOR ME, IF I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT PERSONALLY, IS ACTUALLY HOW YOU TAKE THIS.

FOR EXAMPLE THINKING, THAT WAS HARASSMENT?

I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR 15 YEARS AND I'VE HAD REALLY GOOD EXPERIENCES IN GENERAL.

BUT, OF COURSE, I'VE BEEN WORKING, USUALLY THE ONLY WOMAN IN THE KITCHEN.

SOMETIMES YOU'VE HAD SOME SORT OF HARASSMENT THAT IN YOUR BRAIN WAS LIKE TOLERABLE.

I THINK IT'S ABOUT TOLERANCE.

RIGHT NOW THE NEEDLE MOVES VERY DIFFERENTLY, AND I THINK FOR SURE YOU'LL SEE IN TEN YEARS, MAYBE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING.

I WANT TO PIVOT AND TALK ABOUT FAMILY.

THAT'S ALSO A BIG THEME, PARTICULARLY OF YOUR MOM.

WE HAVE A CLIP OF YOUR MOM FROM THAT FILM.

IT WANT TO SHOW THAT QUICKLY SO PEOPLE CAN GET A SENSE OF YOUR MOM'S UNIQUE FLAVOR.

TO NIGHT IS A BURGER NIGHT.

YOU UNDERSTAND?

DON'T SCREW UP TONIGHT.

GUESS WHAT?

YOU'RE GOING TO McDONALD'S.

WATCH YOUR BACK.

HER ENERGY WAS UNLIKE ANYBODY ELSE'S I'VE EVER WORKED FOR.

THERE WERE NO ROADBLOCKS THAT WERE GOING TO STOP VAL.

SHE PUT EVERYTHING SHE HAD INTO IT.

EVERYBODY CAME AFTER ME.

CREDITORS, BILLS, LOANS.

EVERYTHING WAS ON MY SHOULDERS.

I HAD A VISION JUST TO WORK.

I HAVE NOTHING BUT I WILL MAKE SOMETHING.

I BECAME A BULL AND I KEPT ON GOING.

SO THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THE MANY AMAZING CLIPS THAT WE GOT FROM YOUR MOM THROUGHOUT THIS FILM.

SHE TALKS SO MUCH ABOUT HER PASSION FOR YOU AND YOUR BROTHER, BUT ALSO HOW SHE VIEWS THE RESTAURANT AS AN EXTENSION OF FAMILY.

BALANCING FAMILY AND CAREER IS SOMETHING THAT WOMEN STILL SEEM TO BE NAVIGATING.

I'M WONDERING WHAT WAS IT THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO LEARN FROM YOUR MOM'S EXPERIENCE THAT HAS GUIDED YOU AS A WORKING MOM NOW.

WELL, I LEARNED THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT BALANCE AS MUCH AS INTEGRATION.

FIGURING OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK FOR YOU AS A WORKING WOMAN, AND ESPECIALLY, I HAVE NOTHING BUT THE UTMOST RESPECT AND LOVE FOR SINGLE MOTHERS BECAUSE I'M MARRIED WITH SUCH A SUPPORTIVE ALLY WHO BELIEVES E IN WHEN I SOMETIMES DON'T BELIEVE IN MYSELF.

TO DO WHAT SHE DID WITHOUT THAT TYPE OF SUPPORT SYSTEM IS HUGE.

I THINK THE WAY SHE NAVIGATED IT IS NOT TRYING TO FEEL THE GUILT THAT WE PUT OURSELVES THROUGH AS WORKING MOTHERS A LOT.

THAT I TOOK TO HEART THE MOST WHEN I STARTED HAVING KIDS.

I HAVE THREE UNDER THE AGE OF 5.

IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD IF YOU MISS A FIRST SOMETHING OR YOU MISS SOMETHING, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT UP SOME OTHER WAY.

MY MOM WAS SO GOOD AT THAT.

WHEN SHE WAS THERE FOR US, SHE WAS REALLY THERE.

SHE WAS SO PRESENT.

IT WASN'T LIKE I'M ON THE PHONE DOING 100 THINGS BUT YET THIS IS MY TIME WITH YOU.

SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

YOU HAVE TO REALLY MAKE IT COUNT.

YES, WE HAD AN UNORTHODOX WAY GROWING UP I GUESS.

BUT I WOULD NEVER KNOW THE DIFFERENCE AND I DON'T EVER THINK BACK, OH, I MISS THIS ABOUT MY MOM BECAUSE SHE FILLED IN THAT SPACE AND TIME WITH SO MANY OTHER GREAT EXPERIENCES.

THE FACT I EVEN WAS RAISED IN THE INDUSTRY BY HER SIDE, I HAD SO MUCH TIME WITH HER.

WHATEVER THE JOB IS THAT A WORKING WOMAN IS GOING THROUGH, TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU CAN HAVE YOUR KIDS INVOLVED IN IT.

IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO BE HONEST IN THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY BECAUSE -- ESPECIALLY IF IT'S YOURS.

IT'S A PLACE THAT YOU CAN BRING THEM AS OPPOSED TO IF IT'S -- YOU'RE A LAWYER, YOU'RE A JOURNALIST, SOMEONE WHO IS ALWAYS ON THE GO.

THAT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT.

BUT WE PUT OURSELVES THROUGH SO MUCH GUILT.

AS LONG AS WE CAN SHOW THEM HOW MUCH WE LOVE THEM, I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE HOW I FEEL SUCH RESPECT FOR WHAT SHE'S DONE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT MATTERS.

VICTORIA, I'D LIKE TO GET YOUR OPINION AS WELL.

NOT ONLY ON BEING -- SEEING WORKING MOMS IN THE INDUSTRY, BUT WHAT ALSO TOUCHED ME IS HOW VAL SPECIFICALLY SAW HER CREW OR HER TEAM.

THEY WORKED AND BELIEVED THAT THEY WERE A FAMILY.

THAT'S WHAT SEEMED TO BE HOLDING UP THIS RESTAURANT.

I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER PART THAT TOUCHED ME IN THE MOVIE.

AT ONE POINT THE TEAM ACTUALLY, IT IS YOUR FAMILY.

YOU SPENT 12, 14, 16 HOURS A DAY.

YOU GO THROUGH ROUGH PATCHES TOGETHER.

THAT CREATES A BOND.

I THINK GUILT IS KIND OF FUNNY.

I'M 40.

I DON'T HAVE KIDS.

I ALSO STRUGGLE WITH HOW TO HAVE MY PERSONAL LIFE, BE PRESENT, BECAUSE WHAT I DO THE MOST IS I WORK.

SO WE STILL HAVE TO CHOOSE.

I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO CHOOSE THE PRIORITY.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

-- WHEN WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS ALL THE TIME WHAT IT IS TO GO THROUGH.

IT KIND OF RIPS YOU APART SOMETIMES.

IT'S YOUR PASSION THAT ALSO AT THE SAME TIME IT'S EVERYTHING YOU DO.

I THINK FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE TEAM, IT'S THE SAME.

THERE'S SO MUCH LOVE THAT GOES IN THERE, SO MUCH PASSION AND CARE.

THE STRUGGLES THAT YOU FACE TOGETHER, IT'S LIKE FAMILY.

WHEN YOU HAVE A FIGHT WITH YOUR MOM.

I LOVE MY MOM, I'M AN ONLY CHILD.

WE HAVE AN ARGUMENT.

THE NEXT DAY WE FORGET ABOUT IT.

THOSE THINGS HAVE BUILT OUR RELATIONSHIP SO MUCH.

SO YOU ARE THERE FOR THE TEAM 1,000 PERCENT.

THEY DO BRING YOU UP.

SOMETIMES I'M DONE, I'M THERE.

I SEE SOMEONE SMILE AND I'M LIKE, I HAVE TO BE WHO I HAVE TO BE ALSO FOR THEM.

I FEEL THAT SORT OF PRESSURE AND RESPONSIBILITY FOR SURE.

MY INITIAL FINAL QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE WHAT DO YOU WANT YOUNG FEMALE CHEFS TO TAKE AWAY FROM THIS.

WATCHING THIS FILM AND THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT DO YOU WANT YOUNG MEN CHEFS TO TAKE AWAY FROM A FILM LIKE THIS?

I THINK TO REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE, MEN HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE SOLUTION, TO EMBRACE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND TO BE PART OF IT.

BY WHAT I SEE, WE'VE BEEN TRAVELING THE COUNTRY OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF BRINGING THIS FILM INTO COMMUNITIES AND REALLY SPARKING THESE DISCUSSIONS, AND ALSO HONORING WOMEN IN THE INDUSTRY WHO MAYBE DON'T GET THE RECOGNITION THAT THEY DESERVE, BUT ARE ROCK STARS.

SO I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH.

AND WHAT I THINK IT IS IS WHAT VICTORIA SAID, IT'S SUCH COMRADERY, WE CAN LOOK AT THE INDUSTRY AND SAY THERE'S THIS AND THIS AND THERE WRONG WITH IT.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S PRETTY HARD TO FIND AN INDUSTRY THAT YOU FEEL SO CONNECTED TO YOUR PEOPLE.

SO I THINK THAT WHAT MEN NEED TO REALIZE IS, LET'S LOOK AT EACH OTHER EQUALLY, LET'S LOOK AT EACH OTHER NOT BASED ON SEX, COLOR, BACKGROUND, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, NOTHING, GENDER.

LET'S JUST ALL PLAY OUR PART AND BE THERE FOR ONE ANOTHER.

I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, IN KITCHENS WHICH ARE PROFESSIONAL WHICH BENEFIT THE MEN AND WOMEN ALIKE.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FAIR WAGE, TALKING FLEXIBLE SCHEDULING, TALKING ABOUT PRACTICES THAT CAUSE MORE EQUITY.

I THINK THAT THE TEAMS GET IT.

THERE'S NOTHING WE NEED TO EXPLAIN TO THEM.

I ACTUALLY WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND RESPECT.

I THINK WE HAVE MADE -- I STRUGGLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WOMEN HAVE DONE IN THIS TIME IN THE INDUSTRY BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY GOOD THINGS AND SO MANY THINGS WE'VE DONE WRONG BECAUSE WE WORKED EXTRA HARD.

THE EXTRA HARD PART MADE IT MUCH MORE COMPLICATED IN GENERAL.

I ALWAYS ANALYZE WHAT'S GOING ON.

IN GENERAL, I THINK DIFFERENT GENERATIONS WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT TAKE THESE DAYS.

I THINK THE MORE WOMEN YOU SEE, THE MORE IT'S GOING TO BE A NORM.

IT'S JUST NORMAL TO SEE MORE WOMEN IN THE KITCHEN.

SO I WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO BE MORE RESPECTFUL.

I MEAN FOR EVERYONE.

I MEAN DISHWASHER, MALE, GENDER, THE SAME, DIVERSITY, SOMEONE FROM ASIA, SOMEONE FROM SOUTH AMERICA.

I THINK TOLERANCE IS A BIG WORD THAT PEOPLE FORGET THESE DAYS.

I CAN SEE IT A LOT IN KITCHENS SOMETIMES.

THE TOLERANCE IS SOMETIMES NOT THERE.

I'D LIKE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WOMEN GO THROUGH BUT ALSO TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY COME FROM, WHAT THE STORY IS LIKE AND TO PUT THEMSELVES IN THEIR SHOES.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I WOULD JUST ADD FINALLY, AND ESPECIALLY EDUCATION FOR THE GUESTS AND THE CUSTOMERS.

THESE PEOPLE DO THIS WITH THEIR HEART AND LOVE.

THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY OR AWARDS.

THEY REALLY LOVE WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

SO IT MEANS -- I THINK IT MEANS THE WORLD, IF YOU GET A GOOD CUSTOMER, INSTEAD OF ALWAYS YELPING AND SAYING THE NEGATIVE.

WHEN YOU HAVE A GOOD EXPERIENCE, LET THE CHEF KNOW, LET THE MANAGER KNOW BECAUSE THAT REALLY MEANS A LOT TO THEM.

IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, TALK TO THEM.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CUSTOMERS TO REALIZE THESE PEOPLE ARE PUTTING THEIR WHOLE HEART AND SOUL INTO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

LADIES, THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US AND JOANNA, FOR SUCH AN AMAZING FILM.

AGAIN, I THINK RELATABLE TO JUST ABOUT EVERY WOMAN IN AMERICA.

VICTORIA, OF COURSE, FOR THE AMAZING BAR AND GRILL THAT YOU RUN.

ZBLP THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU.

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