METROFOCUS: FEBRUARY 4, 2020

February 05, 2020 at 5:30 am

What effect could the Iowa caucus have on New York’s ability to determine the next Democratic nominee? Father Patrick Desbois, the priest who uncovered thousands of Hitler’s hidden killing fields, now reveals the ISIS terrorist factory and the exportation of hate.

Aired on February 4, 2020. 

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>>> TONIGHT ON "METROFOCUS."
THE HIGHLIGHTS, THE STAKES, AND
THE POLITICAL FUTURE OF THE
NATION.
WHAT EFFECTS COULD THE RESULTS
OF THE IOWA CAUCUSES HAVE ON NEW
YORK'S ABILITY TO DERP THE NEXT
DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE?
THEN MODERN DAY ETHNIC
CLEANSING.
>> PEOPLE WANT TO JOIN ISIS
TROOPS TO CLEAN THE PLANET.
MY BEST FRIEND INVITED ME IN HIS
HOME TO PLAY AND HE SAID HE
CLOSED THE ROOM AND PHONED TO
ISIS AND SAID I HAVE ONE IN MY
HOME.
>> FATHER PATRICK DUBOIS, THE
ONE WHO UNCOVERED HITLER'S
KILLING FIELDS, NOW SHOWS THE
EXPORTATION OF HATE.
THOSE STORIES AND MORE AS ME
"METROFOCUS" STARTS RIGHT NOW.
>> THIS IS "METROFOCUS" WITH
RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD, AND
JENNA FLANAGAN.
>> "METROFOCUS" IS MADE POSSIBLE
BY
JAMES AND MERRYL TISCH,
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BERNARD AND IRENE SCHWARTZ,
ROSALIND P. WALTER,
BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG,
AND BY --
>>> GOOD EVENING.
WELCOME TO "METROFOCUS."
DEMOCRATS 2020 PUSH TO UNSEAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP GOT OFF TO A
VERY ROUGH START.
THE IOWA DEMOCRATIC PARTY
INITIALLY FAILED TO NAME A
WINNER FOLLOWING INCONSISTENCIES
IN THE REPORTING OF DATA.
AN EXPLANATION THAT LEFT
DEMOCRATS FUMING AND REPUBLICANS
GLOATING.
BUT HOW BADLY DOES THIS HURT THE
DEMOCRATS' CHANCES OF RETAKING
THE WHITE HOUSE?
HOW WILL PRESIDENT TRUMP
CAPITALIZE ON THE CHAOS?
AND SHOULD IOWA STILL BE THE
FIRST STATE IN THE COUNTRY TO
VOTE?
LET'S DIVE RIGHT IN WITH OUR
POLITICAL EXPERTS.
DR. CHRISTINA GREER, ASSOCIATE
PROFESSOR OF POLITICAL SCIENCE
AND THE CO-HOST OF FAQ AND NYP
PODCAST.
AND LAURA IS FROM THE NEW YORK
NEWS EDITORIAL BOARD.
WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.
>> SO HERE WE ARE AFTER THE IOWA
CAUCUSES.
SO MUCH COULD BE FUSION, THE
BREAKDOWN OF AN APP.
>> THIS WAS MAYBE THE WORST
POSSIBLE OUTCOME FOR THE
DEMOCRATS IN THE FIRST ON OF THE
2020 ELECTION.
IT IS ABSOLUTELY DEFLATING,
DEMORALIZING, IT HAS LEFT ALL
THE CANDIDATES WITHOUT MOMENTUM
HEADING INTO THE NEXT CONTEST.
IT HAS DEMONSTRATED WHAT LOOKS
LIKE BROAD SCALE INCOMPETENCE ON
THE PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY, AND THAT'S THE HALLMARK
OF THE OTHER GUY.
AND I THINK THAT THE DEMOCRATS
HAVE HAD YEARS TO GET READY FOR
THIS AND THEY'VE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS.
HAVING SHOULD GO SO HORRIBLY
WRONG COULD HAVE A POTENTIALLY
SEISMIC EFFECT ON VOTER MORALE,
ON, IT COULD ALTER THE SHAPE OF
THE NEXT FEW CONTESTS TO COME.
IT COULDN'T BE WORSE.
AT LEAF WE HAVE PAPER BACK-UP, A
PAPER TRAIL FROM THE CAUCUSES
THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO ACTUALLY
COUNT THE VOTES.
THINK ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAVE
HAPPENED IF THIS WERE DIGITAL
HONOR ELECTRONIC ONLY.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ABSOLUTE
DISASTER.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, THIS
CAN'T LOOK GOOD FOR THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
>> IT DOESN'T.
AND WE'VE SEEN REPUBLICANS
CAPITALIZE ON THIS BY TWEETING,
IF THESE PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN RUN
THEIR ELECTIONS IN IOWA, HOW DO
YOU EXPECT THEM TO RUN YOUR
HEALTH CARE?
ALREADY SETTING UP A FRAIL OF AN
INEFFICIENT, INEFFECTIVE,
COMPLETELY NOT ORGANIZED GROUP
OF INDIVIDUALS.
IT DOESN'T MAT HERE IS
VICTORIOUS.
NONE ARE CAPABLE.
THE CAMPAIGNS THEMSELVES DID NOT
FAIL.
THE APP AND WHATEVER THE
INFRASTRUCTURE IN IOWA FAILED.
I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT
FOR THE STATES THAT DON'T HAVE
BACK-UP PAPER BALLOTS.
THIS IS YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF
WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE
HAVE A TWO OR POSSIBLY A
THREE-STAGE PROTECTION SYSTEM.
BECAUSE IT'S BEEN REPORTED THAT
THIS IS NOT A CYBER ATTACK.
THERE WAS NO RUSSIAN
INTERFERENCE.
SO AS OF NOW, THAT'S THE
STATEMENT WE'RE GOING WITH BUT
WE WANT TO GO BACK AND CHECK SO
EVERY VOTE IS PROPERLY HANDLED.
>> AND THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF
STATES.
THE REACTIONS.
>> DOES THIS BUOY PRESIDENT
TRUMP'S POSITION OR THE WAY AT
LEAST HE'S ABLE TO LOOK IN FRONT
OF THE VOTERS TO SAY, HEY,
LISTEN, INWITH THE PARTY, OR I
WOULD NEVER LET THIS HAPPEN?
>> IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT IS MORE
LIKELY IS THAT IT SORT OF
DAMPENS ENTHUSIASM ON THE
DEMOCRATIC SIDE.
IT FEEDS PARANOIA ABOUT
ELECTIONS BEING RIGGED.
IT UNDERMINES FAITH IN THE
PROCESS.
IT COULD DEPRESS TURNOUT AMONG
DEMOCRATS WHO WERE LOOKING FOR
SOME SORT OF HIGH FROM SEEING AN
EXAMPLE OF DEMOCRACY FUNCTIONING
WELL.
THAT CAN HELP BOOST YOUR CIVIC
SPIRIT AND PROMOTE FEMALE TURN
OUT TO VOTE.
THAT SEEMS LIKE A LIKELIER
OUTCOME.
TRUMP IS NOT HIMSELF THE PICTURE
OF IT.
IT IS JUST VERY UNFORTUNATE FOR
THE DEMOCRATS TO ALSO HAVE SO
PUBLICLY DISPLAYED SUCH A TOTAL
SYSTEMS MELTDOWN.
>> WE DO KNOW THE STATE OF THE
UNION THIS EVENING, THE
PRESIDENT WILL OBVIOUSLY MAKE
SOME SORT OF A LOOKS TO THIS.
THERE WERE PEOPLE CAUCUSED FOR
THE PRESIDENT AS WELL AND THAT
WRAPPED UP IN 30 MINUTES.
IT WAS ESSENTIALLY PRETTY PRO
FORMA AND CEREMONIAL IN A LOT OF
WAYS.
BUT GOING TO HER POINT, THE
REPUBLICANS ARE COMPLETELY
CHAOTIC AND NOT ORGANIZED AND
INEMPTY IN SO MANY WAYS.
THE DIFFERENCE IS, THEY FRAME IT
IN A WAY THAT THEY'RE WINNING
AND THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL.
THE DEMOCRATS DON'T DO THAT SO
THEY'RE CONSISTENTLY ON THE
DEFENSIVE AND NOT THE OFFENSIVE.
SO IT DOES AFFECT A LOT OF
VOTERS.
THEY THEIR WINNINGNESS OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY EVEN THOUGH
THERE IS NOTHING TO BACK THAT
UP.
IT IS FRAMED BY THE PRESIDENT
AND REPEATED BY THE MEMBERS OF
HIS PARTY CONSISTENTLY SO THEIR
MESSAGING IS ONE OF SUCCESS EVEN
THOUGH WE HAVE ALL THE FACTS
THAT SAY THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
>> BEFORE WE LEAVE IOWA,
METAPHORICALLY, OF COURSE, DOES
THIS SET AN EXAMPLE?
THERE HAD BEEN TALK GOING INTO
THIS CAUCUS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT
IOWA SHOULD BE THE FIRST STATE
TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ELECTIONS
SINCE THIS IS NOT A TRADITIONAL
VOTE.
DOES THIS FURTHER THAT ARGUMENT
THAT MAYBE IOWA SHOULD GO TAKE A
SEAT AT THE BACK OF THE LINE?
>> I THINK DR. GREER HAS WRITTEN
REALLY INTELLIGENTLY ABOUT THIS.
IOWA IS I BELIEVE A 90% WHITE
STATE.
THE EARLY INDICATIONS, LATE
POLLING IN IOWA SHOWED THAT IT
SEEMED LIKE MAYOR BUTTIGIEG WAS
DOING REALLY WELL.
BERNIE SANDERS WAS DOING REALLY
WELL.
AND BROADER POLLING SHOWS, FOR
EXAMPLE, THAT MAYOR BUTTIGIEG IS
NOT FIRST IN THE NATION FOR MOST
DEMOCRATIC VOTERS.
IT HAS THE POTENTIAL, THE IOWA
RACE, TO, IN A BROAD FIELD, SORT
OF SKEW THE PERCEPTION OF WHO
THE FRONT-RUNNER WILL BE AND WHO
HAS INTAEF BUILT GOING INTO
OTHER RACES.
LIKE LOSING THE RESULTS FROM THE
EYE WAS CAUCUS, HAVING THEM
ZEROED OUT OR CANCELED OUT COULD
MAYBE RESET THE DECK AND GIVE
VOTERS MAYBE LIKE TRUER SENSE OF
WHO IS ACTUALLY THE PERSON WITH
THE MOST BROAD UNIVERSAL
SUPPORT.
>> YEAH.
I WROTE A "WASHINGTON POST" OP
ED ABOUT WHY I DIDN'T THINK IOWA
SHOULD BE THE FIRST STATE.
MY STUDENTS ALWAYS ASK ME, WHICH
STATE SHOULD BE FIRST?
I THOUGHT ABOUT GEORGIA, A STATE
WITH 16 ELECTORAL VOTES, A STATE
WITH A GROWING LATIN ACCENT,
ASIAN-AMERICAN, PACIFIC ISLANDER
POPULATION GROWING, WHERE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN REG STRANLTS
ARE INCREASING.
WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME
GROSS NEGLIGENCE AND CORRUPTION
DURING THE 2018 GUBERNATORIAL
ELECTION.
HOWEVER, THIS STATE LOOKS A LOT
MORE LIKE THE UNITED STATES.
AND SO AT LEAST THINKING ABOUT
POSSIBILITIES.
JUST BECAUSE IOWA HAS BEEN
FIRST, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN
IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE FIRST.
I THINK OVER THE COURSE OF FOUR
YEARS YOU SEE CANDIDATES
PROMISING CERTAIN SUBSIDIES, AND
ETHANOL DISCOUNTS BECAUSE IF
THEY HAVE CERTAIN NATIONAL
AMBITIONS, THEY'RE CONSTANTLY
THINKING ABOUT WHAT IOWA VOTERS
WO
WOULD WANT AND THAT'S NOT
NECESSARILY A REPRESENTATION OF
THE ETHNIC AND RELIGIOUS
DIVERSITY THAT EXISTS IN OTHER
PLACES, NOT IOWA.
>> THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
WE UNDERSTAND VOTER TURNOUT WAS
LOWER THAN EXPECTED AS WELL.
LEAVING IOWA IN THE MIDWEST AND
MOVING HERE TO THE EMPIRE STATE,
DO WE SEE THAT THIS PRIMARY
COULD BE DEEP ENOUGH TO WHERE
OUR PRIMARY WOULD ACTUALLY
MATTER?
>> OH, YEAH.
I MEAN, I MAKE IT A PERSONAL
HABIT TO NEVER TURN MY BACK ON
BILLIONAIRES AND WE HAVE TWO IN
THE RACE.
KEEP IN MIND, MICHAEL BLOOMBERG
HAS IGNORED THE EARLY PRIMARY
CAUCUS STATES.
>> THAT'S SMART, ISN'T IT?
>> AND HE'S BEEN PUTTING LOTS OF
MONEY, KEEP IN MIND, HE'S $57
BILLION, AND HE SAID ONE, MAYBE
TWO, WE KNOW HE WILL USES MORE
FOR THOSE OF US AROUND IN THE
ELECTIONS, WE KNOW HE DOES HAVE
THE MONEY.
AND EVEN AROUND THANKSGIVING
WHEN MY STUDENTS CAME BACK FROM
BREAK THEY HAD SEEN MICHAEL
BLOOMBERG ADS ON THANKSGIVING.
STATES LIKE OHIO AND
PENNSYLVANIA AND FLORIDA.
SO HE'S NOT IN THE CONVERSATION
TODAY, OR MAYBE EVEN NEXT WEEK.
HE'S DEFINITELY BEEN PICKING OFF
MAYORS AND GETTING THEIR SUPPORT
AND I THINK THAT MEANS
SOMETHING.
>> IF JOE BIDEN DOESN'T SEW
THINGS UP VER QUICKLY, AND IT
IS LOOKING LIKE HE WOULDN'T,
HE'S BEEN THE NOMINAL
FRONT-RUNNER FOR MONTHS, THEN IT
IS ANYBODY'S RACE AND MAYBE
INCREASINGLY, BERNIE SANDERS AND
BERNIE SANDERS HAS THE ABILITY
TO INFLAME CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTIES IN A WAY
THAT PERHAPS JOE BIDEN DOESN'T
QUITE AS MUCH.
MAYBE THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY TRUE.
I THINK WE WILL SEE A VERY, VERY
CONTENTIOUS BATTLE FOR EACH
STATE GOING FORWARD AND NEW YORK
ARE ABSOLUTELY HAVE A ROLE TO
PLAY.
>> AS I UNDERSTAND, MAY
O'BLOOMBERG IS PLANNING TO BE ON
THE BALLOT FOR SUPER TUESDAY IS
WHEN PEOPLE WILL FIRST BE ABLE
TO VOTE FOR HIM.
THE STATES BEFORE NEW HAMPSHIRE,
NORTH CAROLINA, ET CETERA, DON'T
NECESSARILY HAVE TO WEIGH IN.
>> THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
FIGURED OUT THE MATH.
A PATH TO VICTORY.
AS MANY PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THIS
IS A VANITY PROJECT.
HE JUST WANTS TO BE HERE.
I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK HE'S FIGURED OUT, NO, HE
WON'T GET 98% OF BLACK WOMEN.
HE DOESN'T NEED IT.
HE DOESN'T WANT IT.
BUT HE KNOWS THE PERCENTAGE OF
BLACK WOMEN TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND
I'M SURE THE PEOPLE IN HIS ORBIT
HAVE FIGURED OUT WHICH STATES
AND HOW MUCH HE NEEDS TO GO INTO
THE CONVENTION AS THE NOMINEE.
>> AND PART OF REASON THAT THE
EARLY STATES ARE SO IMPORTANT
FOR CANDIDATES TYPICALLY IS
BECAUSE IT CREATES THAT SENSE OF
INTAEF BUILT THAT HELPS THEM
FUNDRAISE TO GET TO SUPER
TUESDAY AND BEYOND.
AND IF YOU DON'T NEED TO
FUNDRAISE, THEN YOU CAN JUST
KEEP GOING AD INFIN I'DUM.
THE OTHER CANDIDATES HAVE A VERY
REAL NEED TO BE IN THESE
CONTESTS AND TO BE IN FRONT OF
THE VOTERS AND TO LOOK LIKE THEY
ARE THE POTENTIAL CANDIDATE FOR
THE PARTY SO THEY CAN KEEP
DOLLARS COMING IN.
SO THEY CAN KEEP WINNING AND
MAKE IT ALL THE WAY TO THE
CONVENTION.
>> ALL RIGHT.
SO I GUESS WE'LL HAVE YOU BOTH
BACK SOMETIME IN APRIL WHEN WE
GO TO THE POLLS.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING AS YOU
SHORT BREAKDOWN.
THANK YOU BOTH.
>>> BAGHDADI'S PERSONAL REIGN OF
TERROR IS OVER.
HE KILLED HIMSELF AND TWO
CHILDREN AS U.S. SPECIAL FORCES
CLOSED IN.
HIS DEATH COMES AS THE WORLD IS
STILL TRYING TO COME TO GRIPS
WITH THE TRUE SCOPE OF THE
BRUTALITY ORCHESTRATED BY ISIS
INCLUDING THE GENOCIDE OF THE
PEOPLE.
HE RAPED AND TORTURED THOUSANDS
OF MEMBERS OF THAT RELIGIOUS
MINORITY IN NORTHERN IRAQ.
AND THE EFFORT TO TRULY
COMPREHEND THE SEEMINGLY INCOME
PRE HENCIBLE ATROCITIES IS BEING
LED IN LARGE PART BY A FRENCH
PRIEST.
FATHER PATRICK DUBOIS HAS SPENT
MUCH OF HIS ADULT LIFE DO THING
THE MASS EXECUTIONS CARRIED OUT
BY THE NAZIS.
NOW HE AND HIS TEAM ARE
INVESTIGATING ONE OF THIS
CENTURY'S WORST ACTS OF GENOCIDE
AND SHERIFF THE STORIES OF THE
SURVIVORS.
IN HIS RECENT BOOK, THE
TERRORIST ISIS AND EXPORTING
TERROR.
HE JOINS US NOW.
FIRST OF ALL, COULD YOU TELL AS
YOU LITTLE ABOUT THE YAZIDI?
HOW DO THEY DIFFER FROM THEIR
NEIGHBORS?
>> SO YAZIDI, THEY ARE PEOPLE
LIVING IN THE MOUNTAINS IN IRAQ
AND SYRIA.
THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIAN.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RELIGION.
THEY ARE VERY EXTREME.
THEY ARE CLASSIFIED BY ISIS AS
DEVIL WORSHIPPERS BECAUSE THEY
HAVE NO BOOK.
SINCE THE BEGINNING, BAGHDADI
TOLD THEM HE WOULD PUT THEM THAT
SLAVERY.
>> SO FATHER, WHY DID YOU DECIDE
TO GET THIS STORY SO THE
SURVIVORS, AND TO GO TO THE
CAMPS WHERE MANY OF THEM FLED?
AT A TIME WHEN THE SO-CALLED
CALIPHATE STILL EXISTED, WHEN IT
WAS VERY DANGEROUS?
>> YEAH.
I SAW THE IMAGE OF THE AMERICAN
TRYING TO SAVE YAZIDI ON AUGUST
14, AND I SAW, THEY SAID IT WAS
A GENOCIDE.
I TOOK THREE DAYS TO PRAY AND I
SAID TO MY ORGANIZATION, I WILL
NOT WATCH ON TV.
WE HAVE TO GO TO IRAQ AND WE
BEGAN FROM SCRATCH.
>> SO TELL US, WHAT ARE THE
STORIES THAT YOU LEARNED?
WHAT KIND OF CRIMES AND
SUFFERING DID THEY ENDURE?
>> THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY
SPLIT THE FAMILY.
THEY TOOK ALL THE VIRGIN GIRLS
AND SOLD THEM, MARRIED THEM.
A GIRL WHO GOES OUT OF ISIS
TODAY HAS BEEN SOLD BETWEEN 25
TO 35 TIMES.
AND FORCED PREGNANCY FROM THESE
PEOPLE.
FOR THE CHILDREN, THEY TOOK THEM
AT 7 YEARS OLD AND PUT THEM
TRAINING CAMP OF TERRORISTS AND
SO THE CHILDREN DON'T REMEMBER
THEIR MOTHER'S FACE, DON'T
REMEMBER THEIR FATHER'S FACE,
DON'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE.
THEY DESTROYED THE FAMILIES.
>> AS YOU WRITE THE CHILLING
CHAPTER ABOUT MASS SHOOTINGS AND
MASS GRAVES, TALK A LITTLE ABOUT
THAT.
>> SO ALSO, THEY DECIDED TO
FORCE PEOPLE TO CONVERT TO
ISLAM.
SO IF THEY REFUSE, THEY WERE
SHOT.
SO FOR THE FIRST, WE FOUND 30
MASS GRAVES OF YAZIDI IN THE
MOUNTAINS AND THE GRAVES WERE
ALREADY OPEN.
>> DID THIS HAPPEN BECAUSE THE
YAZIDI REFUSE TO CONVERT?
OR WAS THERE MORE TO IT THAN
THAT THAT MOTIVATED ISIS TO
COMMIT THIS GENOCIDE?
>> ISIS WAS KILLING ANYBODY NOT
LIKE THEM.
ANYONE NOT RELIGIOUS COULD BE
KILLED.
THE CHRISTIANS WERE KILLED.
AND THE YAZIDI WERE THE WORST
BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO BOOK.
SO THEY'RE CLASSIFIED THEM AS
EVIL PEOPLE.
SO THEY COULD DO WHAT THEY
WANTED.
BY EXAMPLE, I INTERVIEWED A
WIFE.
SHE WAS 8 YEARS OLD AS A CHILD.
AND SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS THE ONLY
SURVIVOR OF THE RAPE.
SHE WAS RAPED BY FIVE GIRLS AND
ALL THE OTHER GIRLS DIED.
ANYTHING WAS POSSIBLE FOR THEM.
>> AND WHO WERE THE MEN WHO DID
THESE THINGS?
WHERE DID THE ISIS FIGHTERS COME
FROM?
>> SO FROM EVERYWHERE.
OF COURSE FROM ARAB COUNTRIES,
FROM JORDAN, FROM SAUDI, FROM --
BUT ALSO FROM AMERICA AND FROM
CANADA AND FROM FRANCE AND FROM
BELGIUM AND FROM GERMANY AND
FROM CHINA.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO JOIN
ISIS TROOPS TO CLEAN THE PLANET.
>> YOU SAY AT ONE POINT IN YOUR
BOOK, YOU NEED NEIGHBORS TO HAVE
A GENOCIDE.
>> I WILL NEVER FORGET THAT
STORY.
ONE CHILD, MY BEST FRIEND
INVITED ME IN HIS HOME TO PLAY
AND SUDDENLY, HE CLOSED THE ROOM
AND HE PHONED TO ISIS AND HE
SAID I HAVE ONE IN MY HOME.
HE SAID I HAVE GIVEN TO BAGHDADI
BY MY BEST FRIEND.
>> HOW DOES EXPERIENCE THAT YOU
ENCOUNTERED COMPARE TO WHAT YOU
LEARNED ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST?
>> IT IS SIMILAR.
THE NAZIS WERE KILLING ANYBODY
NOT LIKE THEM.
THE DIFFERENCE IS ISIS DECIDED
TO SWECH THE BRAIN OF ALL THE
CHILDREN.
BAGHDADI DIED BUT THEY SAID WE
WILL ALL DIE.
WE WILL DIE IN MOSUL, IN RIKA,
IN SYRIA, BUT YOU CHILDREN WILL
SURVIVE AND YOU WILL BE THE NEXT
GENERATION.
SO HITLER DIDN'T DO THAT.
HITLER WAS KILLING THE JEWS EVEN
BABIES.
BAGHDADI DIDN'T DO THAT.
SOMETIMES YOUNG CHRISTIANS IN
FIGHTERS.
HE HAD THE VISION.
BAGHDADI IS DEAD.
BUT IT IS FARTHER AND FARTHER,
NO CHILDREN FROM ANY COUNTRY,
EVEN FROM AMERICA, EVEN FROM
FRANCE, FROM GERMANY AND FROM
HAD IRAQ COUNTRY.
>> YOU SAID YOU DID NOT WANT THE
PHOTOGRAPHS TO BE PUT IN SOME
FUTURE YAZIDI GENOCIDE MUSEUM AS
HAS BEEN IN HOLOCAUST MUSEUMS.
WHY IS THAT?
>> I SPOKE TO THE UNITED NATIONS
AND I SAID I WOULD NOT LIKE TO
COME BACK IN 20 YEARS AND WE
MAKE THE CEREMONY OF THE MUSEUM
OF HOLOCAUST, OF YAZIDI.
WE MUST STOP THE GENOCIDE.
IT IS WHY WE BEGAN TO ACT DURING
THE ACTION.
AND ISIS IS STILL ALIVE.
IT IS NOT DEAD.
IT IS A MISTAKE OF VISION.
>> CORRECT ME IF I'M
MISCHARACTERIZING WHAT YOU SAID.
IT SEEMS TO ME, THE BOOK PONDERS
THE QUESTION OF HOW WE IN THE
WEST COULD CONTINUE TO LIVE OUR
LIVES IN AN ORDINARY WAY WHICH
THIS GENOCIDE WAS HAPPENING AT
THE SAME TIME, RELATIVELY
OPENLY.
NOT HIDDEN.
WHAT'S THE ANSWER?
>> THE ANSWER IS THAT THERE IS A
MINIMUM OF PEOPLE ARE SENSITIVE
TO A GENOCIDE.
THE MAJORITY SLEEP WELL AND
DON'T CARE.
SO WHAT I TRY FOR MY BOOK AND MY
ORGANIZATION IS TO WAKE UP THE
MINORITY.
WE TRY TRAIN A GENERATION OF
LEADERS WHO WILL NOT SLEEP WELL.
>> I WONDER IF IT IS THE
SITUATION, THE ANSWER IS NOT
MORE DAMNING THAN THAT.
I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY YEARS AGO
TO INTERVIEW THE HAITIAN WRITER.
AND I ASKED HER, THERE WAS THIS
GAIK KILLED A QUARTER OF A
MILLION PEOPLE IN YOUR COUNTRY.
JUST A FEW WEEKS AFTERWARD, THE
HEADLINES DISAPPEARED.
WASN'T WRITTEN ABOUT.
I ASKED, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE IS
THIS SHE SAID IT IS BECAUSE WE
IN THE WEST LOOK AT THINGS LIKE
THAT AS TO ALMOST WHAT IS
EXPECTED IN PLACES OVER THERE
LIKE THAT.
THAT WE EXPECT THOSE KINDS OF
BAD THINGS TO HAPPEN OVER THERE
WHICH WE WOULD BE HORRIFIED IF
IT HAPPENED TO US.
I WONDER IF THIS DEHUMANIZATION
IS PART OF THE ANSWER?
>> YEAH.
MOST OF THE PEOPLE CARE ONLY IF
IT TOUCH THEIR FAMILY, THEIR
COLOR, THEIR CITY.
WHEN WE ARE SHOOTING IN PARIS,
WE HAD 1 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE
STREET.
WHEN WE ARE KILLING IN NICE,
SOUTH OF FRANCE, NOBODY WAS IN
THE STREET.
IT WAS ALREADY THE SOUTH.
SO PEOPLE SAY, OKAY, I'M
AMERICAN MYSELF LIFE IS NICE.
WHY I WOULD CARE?
I'M FRENCH, I'M GERMAN, WHY I
WOULD CARE?
MOST PEOPLE ARE ONLY CONCERNED
BY THEMSELVES.
IT IS WHY WE HAVE TO WAKE UP A
MINORITY OF PEOPLE.
NO.
PLANET IS ONE.
I CANNOT SAY I LIVE ON AN
ISLAND.
>> SO WHAT IS THE PROPER
RESPONSE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE
ABOUT THE ISIS GENOCIDE?
WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING?
FIRST, TO OPEN OUR EYES.
SAID ONLY ON FACEBOOK, IF
ANYTHING, WE CAN SAY THERE ARE
18 CAMPS OF YAZIDI.
25,000 PEOPLE IN EACH CAMP.
YOU CAN HELP.
WE HAVE TO CARE OVER WHY THE
END, WE RECEIVE FROM GOD SAYING
WHERE IS YOUR WROTE?
>> SO YOU'VE TOUCHED ON THIS IN
THE COURSE OF THE CONVERSATION.
I WONDER IF YOU CAN ELABORATE
HOW THE YAZIDI PEOPLE ARE DOING
TODAY AND WHAT THEIR FUTURE
LOOKS LIKE.
>> TODAY, 18 CAMPS, EACH CAMP IS
15,000 TO 25,000.
THEY HAVE NO EXIT.
THEY ARE STILL WAITING THEIR
FAMILY TO COME BACK.
I CAN TELL YOU BY EXAMPLE, I SAW
AN ORPHAN ARRIVING, 6 YEARS OLD.
HE APPROACHED ME AND SAID I
DON'T KNOW MY NAME.
I SEE THEM, I WOULD BE SO HAPPY.
SO WITH FOREIGN CHILDREN LIKE
THAT NO, FUTURE.
WE TRY TO EDUCATE AND TO MAKE A
SIMILAR FAMILY AND TO BRING THEM
TO THEIR FUTURE.
THEY HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT OUR
PLANET AND WE HAVE TO HELP THEM
COME BACK.
IF WE DON'T DO THAT, WE PREPARE
THE LAND FOR A NEW GENOCIDE
ANYWHERE.
>> YOU WARN IN THIS CONVERSATION
ABOUT THE FUTURE OF ISIS.
THAT THEY'RE NOT DEAD.
BAGHDADI MAY BE DEAD.
ISIS IS NOT DEAD.
WHAT'S THE BEST FACE OF THE ISIS
ONSLAUGHT?
>> ISIS IS APPARENTLY TRYING TO
TAKE BACK POCKETS OF TERRITORY
IN IRAQ AND SYRIA AND ALSO IN
MALI AND ALSO IN AFGHANISTAN AND
ALSO SLEEPING CELLS OUTSIDE.
TRYING TO EXPORT THE FIGHTERS
AND THE REFUGEE SYSTEM.
SO WE ARE VERY WORRIED.
IT IS NOT TO SAY NO TO REFUGEE,
NOT TO SAY YES.
TO MAKE A SCREENING.
OTHERWISE, THEY WILL ENJOY THE
SYSTEM OF REFUGEE TO COME INTO
OUR COUNTRIES.
AND WE WORK WITH MANY COUNTRIES
TO SAY AT LEAST THE CHILDREN
HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED.
GIVE US TIME.
GIVE US TWO WORDS.
IT IS TO BE SMART, I WOULD SAY.
ALSO MANY PEOPLE CAN MAKE A LIFE
IN OUR COUNTRY IF WE HELP THEM.
BUT DON'T FORGET THEY TRAIN
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND
THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN.
BAGHDADI WAS BELIEVING IN THE
FUTURE.
IT'S MY TIME.
>> THIS IS THE FINAL QUEFLT I
HAVE TO ASK IT.
THE BOOK.
THE THINGS YOU DESCRIBE IN THE
BOOK, IT'S LIKE A VISIT TO HELL.
IT'S EVIL THAT CHALLENGES THE
IMAGINATION.
IT TRULY IS.
YET YOU ARE A CATHOLIC PRIEST.
YOU BELIEVE IN AN ALL POWERFUL,
ALL GOOD LOVING GOD.
HOW CAN YOU CONTINUE TO BELIEVE
THAT IN THE FACE OF THE HORROR
AND THE EVILS THAT YOU WITNESS
HE HAVE DAY?
>> THE WORST CASES, WE REMEMBER
THIS WOMAN.
SHE WAS MARRIED BY FORCE BY AN
ISLAMIC JUDGE.
HER HUSBAND MADE 75 BEHEADINGS.
ONLY IN ONE CITY, ALEPPO, AND
SHE HAD TO WATCH AND EXPLAIN.
IT TOOK US EIGHT HOURS TO
LISTEN.
WE HAD TO LOVE, TO CARE.
BUT ALSO NO LOVE WITHOUT
JUSTICE.
NO LOVE WITHOUT TRUTH.
OTHERWISE, WE ARE, IF WE DON'T
BRING LOVE TO THE WORST COUNTRY,
WE MUST BRING LOVE WHERE EVIL
SUCCEEDS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU WITH ISIS,
THEY SUCCEED.
>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT TOPIC.
WE'RE GRATEFUL THAT YOU CAME TO
SHARE IT WITH US.
>> THANK YOU.
>> "METROFOCUS" IS MADE POSSIBLE
BY
JAMES AND MERRYL TISCH,
SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III,
THE SYLVIA A. AND SIMON B. POYTA
PROGRAMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT
ANTI-SEMITISM.
BERNARD AND IRENE SCHWARTZ,
ROSALIND P. WALTER,
BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG,
AND BY --

Funders

MetroFocus is made possible by James and Merryl Tisch, Sue and Edgar Wachenheim III, the Sylvia A. and Simon B. Poyta Programming Endowment to Fight Anti-Semitism, Bernard and Irene Schwartz, Rosalind P. Walter, Barbara Hope Zuckerberg, Jody and John Arnhold, the Cheryl and Philip Milstein Family, Janet Prindle Seidler, Judy and Josh Weston and the Dr. Robert C. and Tina Sohn Foundation.

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