SPECIAL EDITION: ERIC GARNER: JUSTICE SERVED?

NYPD Officer Daniel Pantaleo, whose chokehold resulted in the death of Eric Garner, is now off the force. But, has justice truly been served? And what is the fallout of his firing? Tonight, we examine the politics, the police and the family at the center of a case that has divided the city.

Aired on September 13, 2019. 

TRANSCRIPT

> THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF MR. GARNER'S DEATH MUST HAVE A CONSEQUENCE OF ITS OWN.

THEREFORE, I AGREE WITH THE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

IT IS CLEAR THAT DANIEL PANTALEO CAN NO LONGER EFFECTIVELY SERVE AS A NEW YORK POLICE OFFICER.

TONIGHT HAS JUSTICE BEEN SERVED IN THE CASE OF ERIC GARNER?

LAST MONTH NYPD COMMISSIONER ANNOUNCED HIS DECISION TO FIRE DANIEL PANTALEO.

FOR FIVE YEARS THE CASE HAS BEEN SOMETHING OF AN OPEN WOUND IN NEW YORK CITY.

AND TO JUDGE FROM THE REACTION THE COMMISSIONER'S DECISION TO FIRE PANTALEO HAS DONE NOTHING TO CHANGE THAT.

FOR THE GARNER FAMILY, THEY BELIEVE THAT PANTALEO'S FIRING SHOULD HAVE COME A LONG TIME AGO AND THEY CONTINUE TO CALL FOR THE OTHER OFFICERS INVOLVED IN GARNER'S ARREST TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

FOR MANY OFFICERS SERVING IN THE NYPD, THE DECISION WAS SEEN AS A MATTER OF POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY AND NOT JUSTICE.

THEY BELIEVE THEIR COMMISSIONER SENT A CLEAR MESSAGE THAT THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE THEIR BACK.

IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE ANNOUNCEMENT, PAT LYNCH DEMANDED THAT COMMISSIONER O'NEIL AND MAYOR DE BLASIO RESIGN OR BE FIRED.

RECENT CRIME STATISTICS RELEASED SUGGEST THAT POLICE HAVE SLOWED DOWN SINCE THE FIRING.

WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US?

HAS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE NYPD AND THE COMMUNITY IT SERVES BE DAMAGED ONCE AGAIN AFTER YEARS OF APPARENT PROGRESS?

WILL THE GARNER FAMILY SUCCEED IN ITS CALL FOR MORE FIRINGS?

AND WHAT'S NEXT FOR COMMISSIONER O'NEIL AND MAYOR DE BLASIO?

JOINING US NOW WITH ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS ARE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER DEBBIE ROSE WHO REPRESENTS NORTH SHORE, ASSEMBLY MEMBER MIKE O'REILLY WHO IS A FORMER NYPD LIEUTENANT.

AND BILL RITTER, CO-ANCHOR OF ABC 7'S EYEWITNESS NEWS WHOSE COVERAGE INCLUDES RECENT INTERVIEWSF.

THE ONE THING THAT MOST NEW YORKERS WOULD AGREE WITH IS THAT IT WAS A DEVASTATING TRAGEDY.

BILL, LET ME START WITH YOU.

SINCE THE DEATH OF ERIC GARNER, CAN YOU TAKE US THROUGH THE LEGAL AND POLITICAL PROCESSES THA THAT GOT US TO THIS POINT, THE COMMISSIONER'S FIRING OF PANTALEO.

BASICALLY, I THINK YOU WRAPPED IT UP PRETTY WELL THAT BOTH SIDES VERSION OF IT.

I THINK MOST PEOPLE FEEL THE TRUTH IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE ABOUT ALL OF THIS IN TERMS OF THE REACTION.

IT SEEMS SO LONG AGO.

THERE WAS ALREADY A CITY SETTLEMENT FOR THE LAWSUIT THAT HAPPENED YEARS AGO.

I THINK THIS WAS A CASE THAT EVERY CASE TURN A PROSECUTOR INVOLVED FAILED TO DO ANYTHING.

AND I MEAN FAILED TO DO ANYTHING FROM THE GARNER'S PERSPECTIVE.

THEY PASSED ON IT BASICALLY.

HE HAD A GRAND JURY.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GOT INVOLVED.

ERIC HOLDER AND THEY SAID NO THERE IS NO CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION OR WE WILL NOT PURSUE THAT AND THEN DITTO UNDER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

THOSE ARE THREE PROSECUTORS, THESE ARE ARMS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT PASSED ON THIS CASE.

AND YOU CAN DEBATE THAT ALL YOU WANT.

FOR THE GARNER FAMILY THAT WAS VERY FRUSTRATING.

I THOUGHT IT BALANCES A NEW YORK POLICE DEPARTMENT WHICH IT WAS THEIR OFFICERS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN ALL OF THIS.

THERE WERE EMTs INVOLVED IN THIS, TOO.

THEY STOOD THERE AND WATCHED AS A YOUNG MAN DIED.

I THINK REALLY I'M NOT A LAWYER SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE LAW, BUT ALL I KNOW IS FOR GOOD CITIZENS TO NOT DO ANYTHING WOULD BE TERRIBLE.

THE EMTs DIDN'T DO MUCH.

THEY GOT LIKE ONE-DAY SUSPENSION OR SOMETHING.

I KNOW THE GARNER FAMILY IS PUSHING FOR ACTION AGAINST SOME OF THE OTHER OFFICERS INVOLVED.

I THINK BASED ON WHAT THIS CASE IS ABOUT AND HOW LONG IT TOOK TO GET A PANTALEO DECISION, I THINK THAT'S A LONG CAMPAIGN AND STRATEGY.

I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS AT EVERY TURN LOCAL DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND TWO FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHT INVESTIGATIONS FAILED TO COME UP WITH ANY CHARGES AGAINST PANTALEO.

AND THEN IT WENT TO THE INTERNAL DISCIPLINARY COMMISSION AND HEARING AGAINST PANTALEO.

IT TOOK A LONG TIME.

FINALLY, A DEPUTY COMMISSIONER UNDER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT UMBRELLA CAME OUT WITH HER REPORT AND GAVE IT TO JIMMY O'NEIL.

HE LOOKED AT IT.

I DON'T THINK IF YOU BELIEVE ALL OF THE SOURCES AND YOU BELIEVE O'NEIL, HE DIDN'T REALLY TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE ABOUT THIS.

HE GOT ADVICE ABOUT THE GENERAL STATE OF THINGS AND THEN HE MADE WHAT HE SAYS WAS A WRENCHING DECISION.

HE SAID -- IF HE WERE STILL A COP, HEED BE PISSED OFF AT JIMMY O'NEIL FOR MAKING THE DECISION.

HE HAD TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL PATTERN.

ONE MORE THING BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION.

THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN NEW YORK CITY IN THE FIVE YEARS SINCE ERIC GARNER'S DEATH IN JULY OF 2014.

THERE WERE COPS ASSASSINATED BY A GUY WHO SAID THIS IS FOR ERIC GARNER AS THEY SAT IN THEIR CAR, JUST BRUTALLY ASSASSINATED.

I THINK THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

CRIME IS DOWN.

THEY STOPPED STOP AND FRISK.

ALL THE POLICE BRUTALITY PROTESTS THAT WE HAD IN THIS COUNTRY IN 2014 AND 2015, THEY SEEM A LONG TIME AGO.

THINGS HAVE NOT BECOME IDEAALISTIC AND PERFECT.

THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THE CITY, I BELIEVE.

THE COMMISSIONER MAKES THIS GUT WRENCHING DECISION.

AND PAT LYNCH, THE PRESIDENT OF THE LARGEST POLICE UNION IN THE CITY SAYS THIS.

FOR YEARS MAYOR DE BLASIO HAS DEMONIZED POLICE OFFICERS AND UNDERMINED OUR EFFORTS TO PROTECT OUR CITY.

FOR YEARS COMMISSIONER O'NEIL HAS ACQUIESCED TO THE MAYOR AND HIS ANTI'COP ALLIES.

EITHER CAN HELP REGAIN TRUST OR CONFIDENCE OF NEW YORK CITY POLICE OFFICERS.

THEY MUST RESIGN OR BE FIRED.

ASIDE FROM THAT, DO YOU AGREE WITH PAT LYNCH?

I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT THE MAYOR SHOULD BE FIRED OR THE POLICE COMMISSIONER SHOULD BE FIRED.

I WILL SAY THAT I DISAGREE WITH THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE.

AND I WANT TO MAKE A POINT OF WHY I COME TO THAT CONCLUSION GIVEN MY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AS AN NYPD POLICE OFFICER, SERGEANT AND LIEUTENANT.

BILL MENTIONED WHEN HE OPENED HIS STATEMENT THAT THREE LAYERS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT FAILED.

NOW, LET'S BE CLEAR THAT THEY DIDN'T FAIL.

THEY LOOKED AT THE FACTS AND THE EVIDENCE BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED THAT DAY.

AND THE CONCLUSION WAS THAT THE FACTS AND EVIDENCE DIDN'T SUPPORT CHARGES.

NOW, THE REASON THAT IS BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE VIDEO -- WHAT HAPPENED TO MR. GARNER WAS VERY TROUBLING.

IT WAS HEARTBREAKING.

BUT LET'S BE CLEAR, OFFICER PANTALEO DIDN'T GO OUT THAT DAY WITH INTENTION TO KILL ANYONE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE VIDEO AND FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES IT WAS 20 SECONDS FROM THE MOMENT THEY INTERACTED WHERE OFFICER PANTALEO PUT HIS HANDS ON MR.

GARNER UNTIL THE TIME THAT HE WAS ON THE GROUND AND HE REMOVED HIS GRASP.

DURING THAT FIRST INTERACTION, MR. GARNER FLAILS HIS ARMS.

THEY GO BACKWARDS.

OFFICER PANTALEO AND MR. GARNER HIT THAT PANE GLASS WINDOW BEHIND HIM.

AT THAT MOMENT, OFFICER PANTALEO'S ARM IS AT MR.

GARNER'S CHEST.

WHEN THEY GO BACK AND HIT THE WINDOW, THAT'S WHEN HIS ARM GOES UP TO THE NECK REGION OF MR.

GARNER.

SO FOR ME, WATCHING THAT BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, AT THAT MOMENT, THAT'S WHY THAT HOLD WAS TAKING PLACE.

AS THEY HIT THE FLOOR, NOW, YOU SEE THAT HE'S REMOVING HIS ARM.

THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS DURING POLICE COMMISSIONER O'NEIL'S STATEMENT OF WHY HE IS TERMINATING OFFICER PANTALEO, HE STATES THAT THE TRIAL JUDGE IN THE NYPD OFFICE SAID OFFICER PANTALEO SHOULD HAVE READJUSTED HIS GRIP.

THREE SECONDS.

WHEN YOU ARE INVOLVED IN A STRUGGLE ON THE STREET, AND YOU ARE TRYING TO PLACE SOMEBODY UNDER ARREST, IT IS EASY TO MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACK AFTER YOU ARE WATCHING IT.

WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN A MOMENT.

I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

YOU THINK THAT THE FIRING OF OFFICER PANTALEO SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO.

HOW DO YOU RESPOND?

THIS IS FIVE YEARS TOO LONG.

IT TOOK FIVE YEARS BEFORE ANYBODY DECIDED TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE AT HAND.

THE ISSUE WAS NOT THAT THE OFFICER WENT OUT TO DELIBERATELY MURDER ERIC GARNER THAT DAY.

THE ISSUE WAS THAT HE USED EXCESSIVE FORCE.

MR. GARNER WAS UNARMED AND THE FACT IS THAT HE WOUND UP USING AN ILLEGAL CHOKE HOLD.

AND SO HE IS CHARGED WITH USING -- WITH A VIOLATION OF THE PATROL GUIDE BOOK.

AND SO --

IT'S BANNED.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY BANNED.

THERE IS NO AREA WHERE IT'S EVER PERMISSIBLE.

OFFICERS HAVE BEEN TRAINED AND THEY KNOW HOW TO RESPOND IN AN INSTANT WITHOUT USING THE CHOKE HOLD.

SO THIS IS AN EGREGIOUS USE OF FORCE THAT WASN'T NECESSARY.

MR. GARNER WAS AN UNARMED PERSON.

HE WAS SAYING HE COULDN'T BREATHE.

WHO SAID -- AND TO ASSEMBLYMAN RILEY'S POINT ABOUT WHEN HE FELL BACK ON THE PLATE GLASS WINDOW, THE VIDEO CLEARLY SHOWS THEM ON THE GROUND AND OFFICER PANTALEO STILL HAS HIS

IS THERE EVER A MOMENT -- WE UNDERSTAND YOU LAID OUT THE CASE VERY WELL THAT OFFICERS ARE IN A DANGEROUS AND STRESSFUL SITUATION TO HAVE TO MAKE SPUR OF THE MOMENT DECISIONS.

IS THERE ANY MOMENT WHEN AN OFFICER MAKES ONE OF THOSE DECISIONS WRONGLY THAT HE OR SHE CAN BE CRITICIZED OR PUNISHED IN YOUR ESTIMATION?

THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHY THE NYPD PATROL GUIDE IS JUST THAT, A GUIDE.

IT DOESN'T ALWAYS CONFORM TO WHAT HAPPENS ON THE STREET.

LET'S SAY THAT THERE IS -- IN THE GUIDE IT PROHIBITS OFFICERS FROM SHOOTING AT A MOVING VEHICLE.

LET'S SAY YOU'RE STANDING ON THE CORNER OF WEST 50th STREET AND 8th AVENUE AND A PERSON IS LOOKING TO STRIKE YOU AND KILL YOU WITH NO OTHER FORCE THAN THE CAR, I'M THE POLICE OFFICER ON FOOT ON WEST 50th STREET AND 8th AVENUE, WOULD YOU WANT ME TO SHOOT AT THAT CAR TO STOP THEM FROM HITTING YOU?

YOU PROBABLY WOULD.

BUT I WOULD BE VIOLATING THE PATROL GUIDE.

THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE UNFORTUNATELY THE PATROL GUIDE DOES NOT CONFORM.

ARE THERE MOMENTS WHEN FOR EXAMPLE IN THIS CASE AN OFFICER UNDER VERY DIRE CIRCUMSTANCES AND SITUATIONS MADE THE WRONG DECISION AND YOU NEED TO PUNISH HIM?

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MISTAKE OF THE MIND AND THE MISTAKE OF THE HEART.

THE HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE AN ARREST.

FACTORS HAPPEN.

OTHER FACTORS OUTSIDE THE OFFICER'S CONTROL.

THAT'S THE POINT HERE.

THAT'S WHY THE LEGAL SYSTEM WAS NOT PROSECUTING BECAUSE THERE ARE MOMENTS IN TIME WHEN ACTIONS ARE TAKEN AND UNDER THE LAW, THEY ARE NOT ILLEGAL.

YOU WANTED TO RESPOND TO THAT?

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT ASSEMBLYMAN RILEY USES AN EXAMPLE WHERE THERE IS DEADLY FORCE BEING USED.

ERIC GARNER WAS NOT BEING FORCEFUL.

IN FACT, HE WAS SAYING -- BECAUSE THERE WAS A HISTORY OF HARASSMENT.

HE WAS NOT SELLING CIGARETTES.

HE HAD JUST BROKE UP A FIGHT THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE IN THE PARK.

SO HE FELT THAT THEY WERE APPROACHING HIM, THEY WERE HARASSING HIM ONCE AGAIN.

HE WAS NOT RESISTING.

HE WAS SAYING LIKE NOT TODAY.

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU KNOW THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT HOW IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS THE CITY HAS BEEN EXPERIENCING SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CALLED THE GARNER EFFECT, THAT BECAUSE OF THE GARNER CASE AND WHAT OFFICER PANTALEO HAD GONE THROUGH NYPD OFFICERS ARE HOLDING BACK.

THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE BEING REACTIVE RATHER THAN PROACTIVE, ALLOWING LOW LEVEL CRIMES AND PERHAPS HIGHER LEVEL CRIMES TO GO BY BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID TO STEP IN IN FEAR THAT SOMETHING WOULD GO AWRY AND THAT THEIR BOSSES WOULD NOT SUPPORT THEM.

ARE THEY RIGHT TO FEAR THAT?

THIS CASE, THE WHOLE GARNER INCIDENT IS ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY.

AND IT PERPLEXES ME HOW THE NYPD CANNOT HOLD AN OFFICER ACCOUNTABLE, AN OFFICER WHO BY THE WAY HAS A HISTORY OF BAD ACTIONS.

HE'S BEEN CITED FOUR TIMES BY CCRB, SUBSTANTIATED FOR ACTIONS THAT ARE AGAINST THE PATROL GUIDE BOOK.

THIS IS ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY.

WHEN DO YOU HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE?

AND WHERE IS THE CREDIBILITY IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO SERVE AND PROTECT ALL OF US?

ASSEMBLY MEMBER, RILEY, DO YOU BELIEVE -- SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT THE VIDEOS THAT WE SAW OF THE INCIDENTS IN THE SUMMER OF POLICE MEN ALLOWING THEMSELVES TO BE DOUSED WITH WATER AND PELTED WITH WATER, BUCKETS, THAT THAT IS A DIRECT CONSEQUENCE OF THE SO-CALLED GARNER EFFECT, OF COPS BEING AFRAID OF BEING PROACTIVE OR STOPPING THINGS AND ALLOWING THEMSELVES -- THE LACK OF RESPECT OF COPS, ALL OF THIS SOMEHOW RELATED.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE?

I ABSOLUTELY DO.

I THINK THE RHETORIC THAT CAME OUT OF ALBANY AND CITY HALL CAME OUT OF A LOT OF POLITICIANS AND ADD TODAY WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY.

THAT'S WHY I PARTNERED WITH MY COLLEAGUE IN PUTTING FORWARD LEGISLATION THAT WOULD MAKE IT A CLASS E FELONY FOR ANYBODY THAT WOULD THROW LIQUID ON AN OFFICER IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTY.

WHILE YOU ARE ON PATROL, THAT IS PERFORMING YOUR DUTY.

YOU MAY THINK IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.

THINK ABOUT THIS.

THEY ARE WEARING A BULLET RESISTANT VEST.

THEY HAVE A RADIO.

THAT BULLET RESISTANT VEST LOSES ITS QUALITY AND THE ABILITY TO STOP A PROJECTILE WHEN IT GETS SOAKING WET.

THIS IS A REAL CONCERN TO OFFICER SAFETY, BUT ALSO THE PUBLIC SAFETY.

WHAT IF THE PUBLIC NEEDED HELP AND YOU CAN'T RADIO FOR ASSISTANCE BECAUSE YOUR RADIO IS DAMAGED?

THE PROBLEM IS SOME OF THE MESSAGING THAT'S BEEN PUT FORWARD HAS EMBOLD OENNED PEOPLE TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S A REAL TROUBLING PATHWAY WE'RE GOING DOWN.

I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH TIME WE HAVE LEFT.

BILL, IN 2013, MAYOR DE BLASIO RAN ON A PLATFORM OF REPAIRING THE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE POLICE AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.

YOU TOUCHED ON THIS EARLIER.

WHAT EFFECT HAS THE GARNER CASE HAD ON THIS PROCESS?

I THINK AT THE BEGINNING IT HAD A HUGE EFFECT.

I THINK NOW, THOUGH, AT THE -- I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BE DISAGREEING WITH BOTH OF OUR GUESTS TODAY.

I THINK THAT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS AT A BETTER PLACE NOW THAN FIVE YEARS AGO.

I DON'T THINK THERE IS QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

I THINK UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION THEY BEEFED UP THEIR COMMUNITY POLICING WHICH IS A STRATEGY THAT DOES PAY OFF.

CRIME IS LOWER.

THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH SHOOTINGS AND GUNS AND MUCH OF THAT IS GANG RELATED.

I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT.

THEY'RE TRYING.

BUT IN GENERAL, THIS IS A SAFER CITY.

I THINK THAT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE AND THE NYPD IN MANY WAYS IS BETTER THAN IT HAS BEEN IN A LONG TIME.

THIS CASE IS SORT OF GURGLING UP AGAIN WITH SOME ARGUMENTS MADE BACK THEN.

I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TOUGHER.

I SUSPECT THAT THIS WAS IN THE COMMISSIONER'S THINKING.

IF THE COMMISSIONER HAD NOT FIRED DANIEL PANTALEO, WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE REACTION THEN?

I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT STORY.

I KNOW THE GARNER FAMILY IS STILL UPSET.

I THINK THIS CASE IS PRETTY MUCH OVER IN TERMS OF LEGAL PERSPECTIVE.

I THINK IT IS TIME TO GET BACK INTO BRINGING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT PAT LYNCH -- I KNOW HE IS CERTAINLY A PASSIONATE GUY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS STRATEGY IS.

I DON'T THINK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REALLY UNDERSTANDS THE STRATEGY.

I AM NOT SURE I REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE END GAME AND STRATEGY REALLY IS.

I THINK THAT THE FIGURES THAT YOU CITED ABOUT FEWER ARRESTS AND FEWER STOPS, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO GO AWAY.

I THINK MOST COPS WANT TO DO THEIR JOB AND PROTECT PEOPLE.

I THINK THEY GET A LOT OUT OF IT.

I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, THERE ARE THE FRINGE ELEMENTS ON BOTH SIDES AND NEW YORKERS WANT THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DO A GOOD JOB AND PROTECT THEM AND THEY WANT TO RESPECT THEM.

I DO BELIEVE IT.

ABSOLUTELY.

IN THE FIVE YEARS THAT WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS, THERE WAS NOT ONE VIOLENT INCIDENT IN STATEN ISLAND WHERE THE HOME OF WHERE THIS WHOLE THING STARTED.

WE HAD PROTESTS.

WE HAD EVERYTHING.

THERE WAS NOT ANY VIOLENCE.

I WAS IN OFFICE THE DAY THAT ERIC GARNER WAS KILLED AND THE POLICE COMMISSIONER CAME TO MY OFFICE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE IT AND WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO GOING FORWARD.

HE MADE ME A PROMISE THEN THAT HE WAS GOING TO REVAMP THE TRAINING.

AND HE DID THAT.

THEY TRAINED.

THEY DID EXTENSIVE TRAINING.

THEY CHANGED SOME OF THE DYNAMICS OF THE TRAINING PROTOCOLS.

AND WE SEE THAT WE NOW HAVE COMMUNITY POLICING.

AND WE HAVE NCOs.

IF YOU GO WITHIN A COMMUNITY IN MY DISTRICT THAT HAS NCOs, THEY ARE VERY PLEASED WITH THE PARTNERSHIP.

THERE IS A GIVE AND TAKE.

THERE IS RESPECT.

SO IT'S WORKING.

COMMUNITY POLICING IS WORKING.

AND IT IS A BETTER COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF THE RELATIONSHIP SINCE --

DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

I DO.

I DO.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT I DO -- BILL MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT STOP QUESTION AND FRISK.

WHEN WE USED TO HAVE TO DO STOP, A CARBON COPY WHERE YOU HAD TO WRITE OUT AND GIVE SPECIFIC REASONS WHY YOU STOPPED THE INDIVIDUAL.

NOW, THEY MOVED TO A CHECK BOX FORM.

MY ISSUE WITH THAT WAS IT BECAME INSTEAD OF THE TOOL FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND OFFICER SAFETY, IT BECAME A MEASURE OF POLICE OFFICER ACTIVITY.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE WENT DOWN THE WRONG PATH.

SO I GIVE THE MAYOR CREDIT FOR ADDRESSING THAT.

THAT HAS LED TO BETTER COOPERATION WITH THE COMMUNITY, BETTER RELATIONS.

I ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT THE NCO PROGRAM IS GREAT.

LET'S REMEMBER, IT'S BASED IN THE OLD CPOP METHOD.

IT WAS COMMUNITY POLICING.

WHEN I CAME ON THERE WAS A COP ON THE BEAT AND AN OFFICER THAT WAS AN NCO.

WE WENT BACK TO BASICS.

THINK ABOUT THAT.

WE'RE GOING BACK TO BASICS.

YOU TOUCHED ON BEFORE ABOUT PAT LYNCH AND YOU MENTIONED THE QUOTE WHERE HE SAID TO SLOW DOWN.

I WILL PUT IT THIS WAY.

WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT SLOWING DOWN, THEY'RE ACTUALLY POLICE OFFICERS THE WAY THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT GOING BY WHAT THE PATROL GUIDE SAYS.

I WANT TO BE REALISTIC AND LET YOU KNOW IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ACTED ON EVERY SITUATION, EVERY JOB THAT COMES IN, 30,000 RADIO CALLS THAT COME OVER THE AIR EVERY DAY THAT THEY RESPOND TO AND WENT BY THE PATROL GUIDE, I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, THE CITY WOULD SHUT DOWN, BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU THINGS WOULD NOT GET DONE THE WAY WE SEE IT GETTING DONE TODAY.

WE HAVE A MINUTE LEFT.

HOW OPTIMISTIC ARE YOU THAT WE CAN, IN FACT, FIND THE SWEET SPOT WHERE RANK AND FILE COPS FEEL LIKE THEIR BOSSES HAVE THEIR BACKS WHILE THE COMMUNITIES OF COLOR FEEL THAT THE COPS HAVE THEIR BACK.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE OBTAINED.

BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY.

WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR IS ACCOUNTABILITY.

WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT IT SHOULD BE DEALT WITH AND IT SHOULD BE DEALT WITH YOU KNOW RESPECTFULLY.

WE WANT THE SAME TYPE OF POLICING THAT WE FIND IN ALL THE COMMUNITIES.

AND SO I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S POSSIBLE.

WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.

BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE LIKE EVERYBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO ADMIT WHEN THEY HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME AND THEY HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT THEY HAVE MADE A MISTAKE.

I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE SAYING YOU'RE WRONG.

YOU SAY I'M A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.

WE HAVE SEVERAL CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN SANCTIONED BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT DID THEIR JOBS AND ACTED INAPPROPRIATELY.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS THAT EVERYBODY BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.

I'M AFRAID WE WILL HAVE TO END IT THERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH ALL OF YOU FOR JOIN USH.

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