METROFOCUS: AUGUST 15, 2019

August 16, 2019 at 5:30 am

We reflect on three days of peace and music that defined generation. Crosby, Still, Nash and Young took the stage that weekend, but getting to that stage was itself quite an experience. Tonight, Graham Nash joins us with a recap. Carlos Santana reflects on the acid trip of his life at Woodstock, an experience that propelled his career and brain to new heights. Carlos Santana reflects on the acid trip of his life at Woodstock, an experience that propelled his career and brain to new heights.

Aired on August 15, 2019.

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TONIGHT ON METROFOCUS
SPECIAL EDITION.
WOODSTOCK THREE DAYS OF PEACE
AND MUSIC THAT DEFINED A
GENERATION.
CROSBY, STILLS, NASH & YOUNG
TOOK THE STAGE THAT WEEKEND, BUT
GETTING TO THAT STAGE WAS ITSELF
QUITE AN EXPERIENCE.
>> I THINK I WAS NEARLY KILLED
ON THE WAY IN.
>> AND IT WAS GRATEFUL DEAD
FRONT MAN JERRY GARCIA'S EVIL
WAYS THAT SENT CARLOS SANTANA ON
THE TRIP THAT PROPELLED HIS
CAREER AND HIS BRAIN TO NEW
HEIGHTS.
>> IT WAS ACID.
>> PLUS POP CULT TOUR THE EXPERT
PROFESSOR ROBERT THOMPSON TALKS
ABOUT THE MYTHS VERSUS THE
REALITY OF THIS HISTORIC EVENT.
>> I THINK MOST AUDIENCES TODAY
WOULD NEVER TOLERATE THE
CONDITIONS AT WOODSTOCK.
>> SO SIT BACK AND ENJOY
WOODSTOCK, THREE DAYS OF PEACE
AND MUSIC THAT DEFINED A
GENERATION.
A SPECIAL EDITION OF
"METROFOCUS" STARTING RIGHT NOW.
§
§ AND WE'VE GOT TO GET
OURSELVES §
>>
>> THIS IS "METROFOCUS" WITH
RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD, AND
JENNA FLANAGAN.
>> "METROFOCUS" IS MADE POSSIBLE
BY
JAMES AND MERRYL TISCH,
SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III,
THE SYLVIA A. AND SIMON B. POYTA
PROGRAMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT
ANTI-SEMITISM.
BERNARD AND IRENE SCHWARTZ,
ROSALIND P. WALTER,
BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG,
AND BY --
>> THE IN AUGUST OF 1969, HALF A
MILLION PEOPLE CONVERGED ON
MAXIAS GER'S DAIRY FARM IN
UPSTATE NEW YORK FOR AN EVENT
THAT WOULD BECOME THE DEFINING
MOMENT OF THE '60s COUNTER
CULTURE REVOLUTION.
UNFOLDING AGAINST A BACKDROP OF
A NATION DIVIDED OVER THE
VIETNAM WAR, CIVIL RIGHTS AND
SEXUAL POLITICS, WOODSTOCK WOULD
FEATURE SOME OF THE BIGGEST
NAMES IN ROCK 'N' ROLL INCLUDING
YIM I HENDRIX, THE GRATEFUL
DEAD, THE WHO, JANIS JOPLIN AND
RICHIE HAVENS.
ALSO AMONG THE PERFORMERS
GATHERED FOR WHAT WAS BILLED AS
THREE DAYS OF PEACE AND MUSIC
WAS A NEW SUPER GROUP MADE UP OF
MEMBERS FROM SOME OF THE MOST
POPULAR BANDS OF THE ERA.
STEPHEN STILLS AND NEIL YOUNG OF
BUFFALO SPRING FEED, DAVID
CROSBY BIRDS AND GRAHAM NARVET
HOLLIES.
TOGETHER THEIR HARMONIES WERE
ALMOST OTHERWORLDLY AND AT
WOODSTOCK THEY EARNED THEMSELF
THE TITLE OF ROCK 'N' ROLL
ROYALTY.
RECENTLY I HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK
WITH GRAHAM NASH ABOUT THAT
SURREAL AND LIFE TRANSFORMING
EXPERIENCE.
>> GRAEME, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
JOINING US.
IT'S SUCH AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU
WITH US.
GRAHAM, WHEN CROSBY, STILLS AND
YOUNG FIRST GOT ON THE STEAK AT
WOODSTOCK, STEPHEN STILLS
FAMOUSLY SAID, "THIS IS ONLY THE
SECOND TIME WE EVER PLAYED IN
FRONT OF PEOPLE, MAN.
WE'RE SCARED [ MUTED ]LESS."
WAS IT REALLY THE SECOND TIME
YOU GUYS HAD EVER PLAYED IN
FRONT OF AN AUDIENCE AND WERE
ALL OF YOU SCARED?
>> I WASN'T SO SCARED.
I MEAN I HAD ALREADY BEEN
THROUGH SEVEN YEARS OF MADNESS
WITH THE HOLLIES IN GHAEND
BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW.
BUT IT WAS A CRAZY NIGHT AND WE
WERE A LITTLE NERVOUS.
NOT PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THE
PEOPLE IN FRONT OF US, BUT THE
PEOPLE THAT SURROUNDING US.
ALL OUR FAVORITE MUSICIANS THAT
WANTED TO KNOW WHO THESE GUYS --
THEY KNEW WHO THESE GUYS WERE
BUT CAN BE THESE GUYS DO THAT
RECORD?
WHO ARE THEY?
COME ON, SHOW US WHAT THEY WERE.
SO WE WERE A LITTLE NERVOUS
ABOUT THE PEOPLE AROUND US, NOT
NECESSARILY THE PEOPLE IN FRONT
OF US OF WHICH THERE WERE MANY.
BUT IT WAS THE SECOND TIME ONLY
WE HAD PLAYED IN FRONT OF
PEOPLE.
>> THAT IS AMAZING.
SET THE SCENE FOR US.
HOW DID YOU GET TO WOODSTOCK AND
HOW DID THE WHOLE SCENE UNFOLD
BEFORE YOUR EYES?
>> WE FLEW INTO WOODSTOCK IN
HELICOPTERS.
AND FLYING OVER ALL THOSE PEOPLE
AND THE MUD AND THE RAIN AND THE
FIRES CROSBY SAID IT LOOKED LIKE
AN ENCAMPMENT OF THE MACEDONIAN
ARMY AND HE WAS QUITE RIGHT.
SO I WAS NEARLY I THINK I WAS
NEARLY KILLED ON THE WAY IN
BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED AS WE WERE
LANDING ABOUT 50 FEET FROM
LANDING, THE TAIL ROTOR ON THE
HELICOPTER STOPPED.
AND SO THE BODY OF THE
HELICOPTER STARTED TO SPIN IN
OPPOSITION TO THE ROTATION OF
THE BLADESES BUT HE, THE PILOT
KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING AND WE
THOUGHT, WE THUDDED AND HAD A
HEAVY LANDING AND IT TURNED OUT
OKAY.
>> THAT WOULD HAVE CHANGED ROCK
'N' ROLL HISTORY, WOULDN'T IT?
SO THAT SAME NIGHT, YOU WERE SET
TO APPEAR ON THE DICK CAVETT
SHOW BACK IN NEW YORK CITY AND
YOU MADE IT.
STRAIGHT FROM THE WOODSTOCK, MUD
AND ALL.
>> WELL, HERE'S THE STORY.
IT WASN'T US THAT WAS SUPPOSED
TO BE ON THERE.
THIS WAS JONI'S FIRST MAJOR TV
APPEARANCE IN AMERICA.
THAT'S WHY EVEN THOUGH JONI WAS
INVITED TO PLAY WOODSTOCK,
ELLIOTT ROBERTS, OUR MANAGER AND
DAVID GEFFEN, OUR MANAGER
DECIDED THAT JONI MIGHT NOT BE
ABLE TO GET OUT OF WOODSTOCK FOR
THE MONDAY SHOW OF HER BIGGEST
TV APPEARANCE.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT
BECAUSE WE HAD COME BACK FROM
WOODSTOCK AND WE WERE HANGING
OUT, JONI WAS MY GIRLFRIEND, WE
WERE HERE AT THE CAR LIE HOLTZ,
WE GOT BACK FROM WOODSTOCK AND
SHE HAD ALREADY WRITTEN
WOODSTOCK AND SHE NEVER EVEN
WENT.
BUT SHE HAD BEEN CHECKING IT OUT
ON THE TV AND LISTENING TO
PEOPLE AND THAT'S THE JEEP NEWS
OF JONI.
SHE DIDN'T EVEN GO BUT WROTE THE
SONG THAT ENCAPSULATES ALL OF
IT.
>> PARTICULARLY YOUR RECORDING
OF IT.
WHAT IS IT ABOUT THAT SONG THAT
CONTINUES TO CAPTIVATE?
SIMPLY THAT IT JUST CAPTURED THE
ESSENCE OF THAT EVENT.
>> THE IT THE DID LIR LICK SFLI.
>> BEAUTIFUL LYRICS.
>> JONI'S VERSION WAS A LITTLE
BLUER, A LITTLE MORE MINOR,
SLOWER.
§ BY THE TIME
>> WHEN SHE PLAYED US THE SONG,
STEPHEN LOOKED THE AT JONI AND
SAID CAN WE HAVE HA SONG?
AND SHE SAID WELL, YES.
YOU CAN HAVE IT.
AND HE SAID, CAN I TURN IT INTO
A ROCK 'N' ROLL SONG?
AND SHE LOOKED AT HIM A LITTLE
AND SHE SAID OKAY.
STEPHEN, I TRUST YOU.
YES, YOU CAN.
AND IT WAS STEPHEN STILLS THAT
MADE THAT RECORD REALLY.
HE WAS A BRILLIANT, BRILLIANT
MUSICIAN.
>> SURE, SURE.
NEIL YOUNG PERFORMED WITH YOU
GUYS IN WOODSTOCK.
>> NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK
THAT.
>> WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT
FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, DEJA VU
HAD NOT YET COME OUT.
>> RIGHT.
>> DID PEOPLE ALREADY KNOW THAT
CROSBY STILLS AND NASH HAD
MORPHED INTO CROSBY, STILLS,
NASH & YOUNG OR WERE THEY
SURPRISED TO SEE HIM THERE.
>> I THINK THEY WERE SURPRISED
TO SEE HIM THERE BECAUSE THE
FIRST RECORD WAS QUITE POPULAR
AT THAT POINT.
NOBODY HAD EVER SEEN US.
AS WE SAID, IT WAS ONLY THE
SECOND NIGHT AND LITTLE
BEKNOWSTst TO US MEANING ME AND
DAVID AND STEPHEN, NEIL HAD TOLD
EVERY CAMERA MAN ON THE STAGE
NEVER TO SHOOT ONE FRAME OF HIM.
>> WHY?
>> TO THIS DAY, AND I'VE ASKED
NEIL SEVERAL TIMES, TO THIS DAY,
I'VE NEVER REALLY GOTTEN THE
REASON WHY HE CHOSE THAT.
BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW.
THAT HE HAD DONE THAT.
>> THAT HE SOUNDS LIKE WHAT
PEOPLE SAY ABOUT HIM.
>> THE TRUTH IS THAT I BEGAN TO
REALIZE JUST WHAT SORT OF A
SPECIAL MAN NEIL YOUNG WAS.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO BE DIPLOMATIC
AS IS YOUR REPUTATION.
>> YES.
>> ALL RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IN MANY PEOPLE'S MIND
WOODSTOCK SYMBOLIZED THE FORMAL
BIRTH OF THE AGE OF AQUARIUS,
YOU KNOW, A NEW DAWN OF PEACE,
LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING.
NOW THIS IS SOMETHING I DIDN'T
KNOW UNTIL RECENTLY.
JUST FOUR MONTHS LATER, YOU GUYS
WERE PERFORMING IN ALTAMONT.
THE INFAMOUS ROCK, ROLLING
STONES ALTAMONT WHERE THREE
PEOPLE DIED, ONE STABBED TO
DEATH BY THE HEL'S ANGELS WHICH
FOR SOME REASON WERE HIRED TO DO
SECURITY.
>> IT WAS A MESS.
IT WAS A COMPLETE MESS.
>> NOW THAT'S CONSIDERED BOTH
LITERALLY AND SYMBOLICALLY THE
END OF THE '60s.
YES.
>> DO YOU SEE IT THAT WAY?
>> I DO.
IT WAS A COMPLETELY REVERSED THE
VIBE OF WOODSTOCK.
IT WAS CHAOTIC.
THEY WERE PLAYING ELECTRONIC
MUSIC LOUD BETWEEN SETS BETWEEN
ACTS.
THEY HAD GIVEN THE HEL'S ANGELS
PERMISSION TO BE SECURITY.
AND THEY HAD LINED ALL THEIR
BEAUTIFUL BIKES UP, YOU KNOW,
AND SOMEBODY KNOCKED ONE OVER
AND THE KID WAS GETTING BEATEN,
YOU KNOW.
IT WAS ENTIRELY THE OPPOSITE OF
THE VIBE OF WOODSTOCK.
>> PEOPLE FROM THE JIFR SON
AIRPLANE ON STAGE WERE GETTING
BEAT UP, RIGHT.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> BY THE HEL'S ANGELS.
>> MARTY BALIN, YEAH.
>> WAS ALTAMONT A REFLECTION OF
THE TIMES?
I MEAN, WAS THE WORM TURNING ON
THE AGE OF AQUARIUS ALREADY, OR
DID IT KIND OF SPARK A NEGATIVE
MOVEMENT?
>> I DON'T THINK IT SPARKED A
NEGATIVE MOVEMENT.
I DO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS THE
ENTIRE OPPOSITE OF WOODSTOCK.
BUT IT DID NOT KILL THE AGE OF
AQUARIUS AND IT DIDN'T KILL THE
'60s.
IT TRIED.
FOR SURE.
WE HAD A SHOW THAT SAME NIGHT IN
LOS ANGELES AND, OF COURSE,
ALTAMONT WAS JUST OUTSIDE OF SAN
FRANCISCO.
AND WE GOT OUT OF THERE THE AS
FAST AS WE COULD.
NOBODY WANTED TO BE THERE.
I'M SURE NOT EVEN THE ROLLING
STONES.
BUT I THINK THEY HANDLED IT AS
BEST THEY COULD.
YOU KNOW?
>> SO THE 50 YEARS LATER, WHAT'S
LEFT OF THE ESSENCE, THE
MOVEMENT THAT WAS WOODSTOCK, DO
YOU THINK?
>> THE ONE THING THAT COMES
IMMEDIATELY TO MIND IS THE
INTRUSION OF CORPORATE MONEY
INTO ROCK 'N' ROLL.
WHEN THEY SAW 300, 400, 500,000
PEOPLE WHOEVER YOU BELIEVE AND
THEY REALIZED THAT HEY, WE COULD
SELL THEM ANOTHER PAIR OF
SNEAKERS AND ANOTHER COLA HERE,
THIS IS INCREDIBLE, THAT WAS
WHEN CORPORATIONS STARTED TO GET
INVOLVED IN THE PERFORMANCE OF
FESTIVALS.
AND I THINK THAT I THINK THAT
WAS A BAD THING.
>> SO LISTEN, A YEAR AFTER
WOODSTOCK, A YEAR AFTER ALTA
MONTH, DEJA VU CAME OUT EVEN
BIGGER THAN YOUR FIRST ALBUM.
IN MANY PEOPLE'S MIND, IT WAS
THE BIRTH OF A NEW ROCK 'N' ROLL
DYNASTY.
A YEAR LATER THOUGH, YOU GUYS
SPLIT UP.
WHY?
>> WHEN YOU'RE IN A BAND WITH
FOUR MASSIVE EGOES AND FOUR
MASSIVE TALENTS, IT GETS A
LITTLE TRICKY SOMETIMES.
AND UNTIL THAT PARTICULAR CASE,
IT WAS NEIL DECIDING THAT OUR
DRUMMER DALLAS TAYLOR COULDN'T
PLAY NEIL'S MUSIC THE WAY NEIL
WANTED IT PLAYED.
SO THAT BECAME A STICKING POINT
AND THERE WERE A LOT OF DRUGS
INVOLVED, A LOT OF SMOKING WEED
AND A LOT OF SNORTING COCAINE.
IT WAS A VERY TENSE TIME.
AND WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE
EVER BROKE UP.
WE JUST -- WE JUST TOOK A SMALL
VACATIONS FROM EACH OTHER
OCCASIONALLY.
BUT YEAH, IT WAS AN INTENSE TIME
FOR SURE.
>> DAVID CROSBY HAS SAID THAT
THE FLUIDITY OF CROSBY STILLS
AND NASH AND CROSBY, STILLS,
NASH & YOUNG WAS THE IDEA FROM
THE BEGINNING.
>> YES.
>> THAT YOU GUYS DIDN'T WANT TO
BE A REGULAR BAND, THAT YOU
WANTED THE FREEDOM TO SEPARATE
AND COME BACK TOGETHER.
THAT MUST HAVE PLAYED A PART IN
THAT, RIGHT?
>> IT DID.
IT PLAYED A HUGE PART.
WE'VE R WE'VE ALREADY HAD BEEN
IN BANDS, THE HOLLIES AND
BUFFALO SPRINGFIELD AND BIRDS.
WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO COME
TOGETHER WHENEVER WE WANTED WHEN
THE MUSIC STRUCK US.
AND THAT'S HOW IT WAS ALWAYS.
>> THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
BUT I RECENTLY HAD A CHANCE TO
SPEAK DAVID BROWN WHO HAS
WRITTEN THE MOST RECENT HISTORY
OF YOUR GROUP AND I ASKED HIM,
YOU KNOW, WHERE WOULD HE PUT
COSBY STILLS AND NASH AND
CROSBY, STILLS, NASH & YOUNG IN
THE PANTHEON OF ROCK 'N' ROLL
MUSIC.
>> WHAT DID HE SAY?
>> HE SAID YOU WERE WAY UP THERE
BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY AND THE
INFLUENCE OF YOUR MUSIC BUT THAT
IF YOU HAD NOT BROKEN UP AND GOT
BE BACK TOGETHER SO MANY TIMES
IF YOU STAYED TOGETHER LONGER,
IT WOULD BE EVEN UP HIGHER.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> I READ DAVID'S BOOK.
I WAS INTERVIEWED FOR IT.
HE'S A FINE WRITER AND A GOOD
FRIEND.
MY ONLY COMPLAINT WAS IT SEEMED
TO BE A DIARY OF HOW WE SCREWED
UP.
YOU KNOW?
AND THERE WASN'T A LOT OF THE
JOY IN THE MUSIC THAT WE HAD
CREATED WHEN DAVID AND STEPHEN
AND HAD I PUT OUR THREE VOICES
TO BLEND TOGETHER AS ONE VOICE.
THERE WAS A CERTAIN INCREDIBLE
JOY WHEN WE FIRST HEARD THAT
SOUND WHICH HAPPENED IN JONI'S
LIVING ROOM.
WE KNEW OUR LIVES HAD CHANGED
DRAMATICALLY.
AND THAT I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK
TO ENGLAND AND LEAVE THE HOLLIES
AND LEAVE ALL MY STUFF AND LEAVE
MY FAMILY AND COME TO AMERICA.
>> THAT WAS THE MOMENT YOU
DECIDED.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
BECAUSE WE'RE MUSICIANS AND WE
WERE ALL PRETTY DECENT HARMONY
BANDS, YOU KNOW, THE BIRDS AND
THE SPRINGFIELDS AND THE HOLLIES
WERE PRETTY GOOD AT HARMONY BUT
THIS WAS SOMETHING COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT TO ALL OF US AND EACH
ONE OF US KNEW, IN FACT, AFTER
WE SANG THAT ONE SONG OF
STEPHEN'S, "YOU DON'T HAVE TO
CRY," WE SAID TO JOAN, WAS THAT
AS GOOD AS WE THOUGHT IT WAS?
AND SHE SAID ABSOLUTELY.
AND SHE WAS THE ONLY WITNESS.
>> LISTEN, ACCORDING TO
CONVENTIONAL WISDOM, THE WISDOM
OF THOSE WHO WRITE BOOKS ABOUT
IT OR MUSIC FANS, DAVID CROSBY
IS THE WILD UNDISCIPLINED
HIPPIE.
STEPHEN STILLS IS THE HARD TASK
MASTER, THE PLATOON LEADER.
YOUNG IS OUT THERE, HARLEY IN
YOUR ORBIT.
AND YOU ARE THE DIPLOMAT.
THE PEACEMAKER.
IS CONVENTIONAL WISDOM RIGHT?
>> I BELIEVE SO.
AND IT'S QUITE SIMPLE.
I WANT TO GET THE JOB DONE.
WHATEVER TASK YOU SET OUT TO DO,
GET IT DONE THE BEST WAY YOU
CAN.
AND I'D ALREADY EXPERIENCED
MADNESS WITH SEVEN YEARS OF 15
TOP TEN HITS WITH THE HOLLIES.
SO THIS WASN'T SO CRAZY FOR ME.
WOODSTOCK WASN'T THAT CRAZY FOR
ME.
THERE WAS AN AMOUNT OF PEOPLE
THAT WERE NOT CRAZY FOR ME,
KNOW?
BUT YES.
WE HAD CREATED SOMETHING AND
WERE SO MOVED BY IT THAT I LEFT
MY COUNTRY OF BIRTH TO COME HERE
AND FOLLOW THAT SOUND.
BECAUSE I'M A MUSICIAN.
AND I WANTED THAT SOUND.
AND I ALWAYS WANTED THAT SOUND.
AND YES, I HAVE TRIED TO KEEP AS
EVEN KEELED, I HAVE TRIED TO,
YOU KNOW, BALANCE ARGUMENTS WITH
PRAISE.
I'VE TRIED IT A LOT, YOU KNOW?
BUT I WANT TO GET THE JOB DONE
AND THAT'S WHO I AM.
>> ARE WE GOING TO SEE THAT JOB
BEING DONE AGAIN?
IS THERE ANY PLANS FOR THE FOUR
OF YOU TO GET TOGETHER AGAIN,
RECORD, PERFORM?
>> ABSOLUTELY NO.
>> OKAY.
MAYBE WE'LL WORK ON THAT
DIPLOMACY A LITTLE BIT.
>> YES.
>> SO WHAT DO YOU THINK HAS BEEN
THE GROUP'S MOST LASTING LEGACY,
FINAL QUESTION?
>> I THINK WE MADE MUSIC THAT
MADE PEOPLE SHAKE THEIR ASS AND
THINK.
I THINK WE BROUGHT SOME MUSIC
INTO THE WORLD THAT WAS DECENT
MUSIC THAT WILL LAST FOR A LONG
TIME.
I MEAN, I'M GOING TO BE 78 NEXT
BIRTHDAY.
YOU KNOW?
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME AND YET,
PEOPLE STILL LOVE THE SONGS THAT
WE -- I WAS SITTING IN CBS
-- CVS TRYING TO PICK UP A
SUBSCRIPTION AND "WASTED AWAY"
CAME ON THE RADIO.
I'M SITTING THERE GOING, WOW,
THAT WAS A REALLY COOL RECORD.
IT MADE ME START TO THINK AND
APPRECIATE EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS
THAT WE DID AND TO HAVE THAT
RECOLLECTION IN THE CVS WAS
QUITE STRANGE FOR ME.
>> WE, I TELL YOU, GRAHAM, AND
THE REST OF US KNOW
EXACTLY WHAT YOU CONTRIBUTED TO
MUSIC.
IT CHANGED MANY OF OUR LIVES.
I MEAN IT WAS.
>> CHANGED MINE.
>> THE SOUND TRACK OF OUR LIVES
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU
TAKING THE TIME TO TALK TO US.
>> MY PLEASURE, THANKS.
§
CARLOS, I KNOW YOU'VE TOLD THE
STORY A MILLION TIMES.
I HAVE TO ASK.
IT'S BEEN REPORTED EVERY TIME
YOU LOOK AT YOUR PERFORMANCE AT
WOOD SFOK YOU EITHER FLINCH OR
AVERT YOUR EYES.
WHAT IS IT ABOUT THAT
PERFORMANCE THAT MAKES YOU DO
THAT.
>> WHEN WE LANDED WE WERE IN
THIS HELICOPTER AND I NEVER SEEN
SO MANY -- IT WAS LIKE AN OCEAN
OF HAIR AND TEETH AND ARMS AND
WHEN WE LANDED THE FIRST PERSON
THAT I SAW WAS JERRY GARCIA AND
HE SAID WHAT TIME ARE YOU GOING
TO GO ON?
I SAID APPARENTLY TWO BANDS
AFTER YOU.
HE GOES WELL, THEN YOU MAKE
YOURSELF COMFORTABLE.
THIS IS LIKE 12:30, 1:00 IN THE
AFTERNOON.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO ON TILL
LIKE 1:00 IN THE MORNING.
I GO, I GUESS AROUND 3:00 IN THE
MORNING.
YEAH.
pIN
OF THIS.
AND I WAS LIKE, SURE.
YOU KNOW, BETWEEN NOW -- YEAH,
I'LL BE FINE BY THEN.
>> WHAT WAS IT?
>> IT WAS ACID.
YOU KNOW?
IT WAS LSD.
SO I WENT -- AND AS SOON AS I
TOOK IT, IT WAS LIKE POOF.
EVERYTHING BECAME ANOTHER
DIMENSION.
YOU KNOW?
AND THEN I SEE THIS FACE COMING
AND SAYING IF YOU DON'T PLAY
NOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY AT
ALL.
YOU NEED TO GO ON RIGHT NOW.
I'M LIKE OH, MY GOD.
OKAY.
YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT I HAD SIX,
SEVEN HOURS TO RECUPERATE FROM
THE BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT'S KIND
OF LIKE A ROLLER COASTER.
YOU GO THROUGH THIS AND SO I
SAID OKAY, TAKE A DEEP BREATH
AND I DISCOVER A MANTRA BACK
THEN WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING, GOD
PLEASE HELP ME.
HELP ME TO STAY IN TUNE AND IN
TIME.
AND I PROMISE I'LL NEVER DO THIS
AGAIN.
SURE.
SO I WENT UP THERE AND SO WHEN I
STARTED PLAYING OF COURSE, THE
GUITAR NECK, THE NECK OF THE
GUITAR STARTED WAVERING LIKE A
SNAKE.
AND I WAS LIKE, OH, UH-OH.
SO I JUST STARTED MAKING FACES
BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO KEEP IT
TAME YOU KNOW?
I WAS TRYING TO KEEP IT FROM
SLITHERING ALL OVER THE PLACE.
WHEN I FIRST SAW THE MOVIE,
JIMMY HENDRICKS LADY TOOK ME TO
SEE IT.
HE HAD LEFT THAT MORNING FOR
MAORY.
HEY, MAN WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
JUST THAT RARE DAY OFF.
GO UNPACK YOUR STUFF AND COME.
I WANT TO TAKE YOU TO THE MOVIE.
WHAT MOVIE?
SHE SAID WOODSTOCK.
WOODSTOCK?
THEY MADE A MOVIE WAIT TILL YOU
SEE IT.
WE SAW IT LAST NIGHT WITH JIMI
AND WHEN YOU GUYS CAME ON, YOU
AGREES FREAKED THEM OUT.
I GO REALLY?
GOES HE LOVES YOUR ENERGY, HE
LOVE YOUR PERFORMANCE AND HE'S
LIKE IT'S SUCH A BEAUTIFUL BADGE
OF HONOR TORE SOMEONE SO
IMPERIAL LIKE JIMI HENDRIX WOULD
DIG OUR PERFORMANCE.
I FEEL REALLY GRATEFUL BECAUSE
IT TAKES A LOT OF COURAGE TO GO
IN FRONT OF 150,000 PEOPLE AT
THE PEAK OF THIS MIND EXPENSIVE,
KIND OF LIKE A SHAMAN GOING
THROUGH FROM -- ANYWAY,
FORTUNATELY, IT WAS KES
SUCCESSFUL.
>> IT WAS MORE THAN SUCCESSFUL.
I MEAN, IT WAS MASTERFUL.
I KNOW YOU'RE A MODEST GUY BUT
YOU STOLE THE SHOW.
>> I GIVE THE CREDIT TO GOD, MAN
THAT'S WHAT I KEPT PRAYING FOR
LIKE WITH DILIGENCE, PLEASE,
PLEASE, PLEASE.
I TRUST THAT MY FINGERS KNEW
WHERE TO GO AND WHAT TO DO.
WHAT I WAS HAULING UP TO MAKE
THE CONNECTION WAS WITH MY
SPIRIT IN GOD SO THAT GOD WOULD
SAY OKAY, TAKE A DEEP BREATH.
TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND I'M GOING
TO GUIDE YOU, NAVIGATE THROUGH
ALL THIS MIND HALLUCINATION
STUFF BECAUSE YOU KNOW, AND THEN
I BEGAN TO REALLY LIKE IT.
I USED TO DO IT A LOT.
>> I THOUGHT YOU PROMISED GOD
YOU WOULDN'T DO IT AGAIN.
YOU DIDN'T KEEP YOUR PROMISE?
>> I DIDN'T DO THAT SPECIFIC
ACID.
PAYIOTY AND OTHER KIND OF STUFF.
NOWADAYS, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE
ARE MAYBE UNDER SUPERVISION, I'M
NOT ENDORSING IT BUT I WOULD SAY
THAT EVEN CARY GRANT UNDER
SUPERVISION NEEDED TO BECAUSE
WHEN YOU TAKE IT, IT'S ALSO LIKE
A SNAKE SHEDDING ALL BELIEFS.
YOU KNOW, UNDER SUPERVISION IT'S
ACTUALLY VERY THERAPEUTICALLY
HEALING FOR YOU.
§
>> WOODSTOCK IN THE SUMMER OF
1969, THOUSANDS OF YOUNG
AMERICANS GATHERED ATIAS GER'S
FARM AND JAMMED ALONG WITH JIMI
HENDRIX, JANIS JOPLIN, RICHIE
HAVENS AND SO MANY MORE ICONIC
MUSIC SOUNDS.
IT WAS A FESTIVAL OF MUSIC AND
LIFE COUPLED WITH THE BURGEONING
SEXUAL AND DRUG LIBERATION OF
THE TIME.
AS 138 CELEBRATES THE SUMMER OF
'69, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT
WOODSTOCK MYTHES THE VERSUS
WOODSTOCK REALITY AND JOINING US
NOW TO YOU GO ALONG ON THIS TRIP
AND TO DISCUSS HOW WOODSTOCK
MARKED THE END OF AN ERA FOR THE
ENTIRE COUNTRY AND THE BEGINNING
OF A NEW ONE, ONE OF OUR
FAVORITE GUESTS PROFESSOR ROBERT
THOMPSON, FOUNDING DIRECTOR OF
AMONG OTHER THINGS THE FOUNDER
DIRECTOR OF THE BLEIER CENTER
FOR TELEVISION AND POPULAR
CULTURE AT SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY.
ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU
HERE WITH US TO TALK ABOUT ALL
OF THESE THINGS.
LET ME START WITH WHAT WAS THE
LURE?
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THE MUSIC WAS
ATTRACTIVE.
BUT WHAT WAS -- WHAT WAS?
WHAT WAS THE INSPIRATION THAT
BROUGHT SO MANY PEOPLE TO THIS
PLACE.
>> YEAH, YOU KNOW PART OF IT WAS
JUST MAGIC.
IT WAS KIND OF A DISORGANIZED
THING.
IF YOU GO BACK AND SEE HOW -- IT
WAS ORALLY GOING TO HAVE TICKETS
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO OPEN IT TO
FREE.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE THING SET
UP.
TRAFFIC WAS COMPLETELY NOT
ACCOUNTED FOR.
BUT FOR ALL NUMBER OF REASONS,
DOZEN OF THESE GREAT PEOPLE
PLAYING, THIS BECAME KIND OF THE
SIREN CALL IN THE GOLDEN AGE OF
THE COUNTER CULTURE TO COME,
COME, COME TO WOODSTOCK.
SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL WILL
HAPPEN THERE.
AND SOMETHING DID.
AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE
MUSIC.
THE MUSIC ONLY BECAME IMPORTANT
WHEN THE FILM CAME OUT AND WHEN
THE SOUND TRACK CAME OUT.
LET'S FACE IT, MOST OF THOSE
PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE WERE SO
FAR AWAY THEY COULDN'T EVEN SEE
THE BAND LET ALONE HEAR THEM.
THE SOUND SYSTEM WASN'T DESIGNED
FOR THAT MANY PEOPLE.
THIS WAS SO MUCH MORE ABOUT A
HAPPENING AND IN MANY WAYS YOU
AND I, YOU WORRYING ABOUT YOUR
SUMMER JOB, THAT SO
ESTABLISHMENT, THE FACT AN THAT
WE DIDN'T GO WAS ONE OF THE
REASONS WHY THEY WANTED TO.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF
THOSE MYTHS VERSUS REALITIES.
ALL RIGHT?
SO THE FIRST ONE YOU TOUCHED ON,
THE NOTION OF THE MUSIC,
FABULOUS MUSIC.
LEGENDRY PERFORMERS BUT NOT THAT
MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY GOT TO HEAR
THEM.
>> IN SO MANY WAYS SO MANY MORE
PEOPLE SHOWED UP THAN WAS
EXPECTED.
MOST PEOPLE WERE WAY, WAY FAR
BACK.
AND LET'S REMEMBER, THIS IS
BEFORE THEY HAD THE BIG VIDEO
SCREENS SO ALL YOU HAD TO DO IS
LOOK YONDER AT THOSE TINY, TINY
THINGS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE
THE PEOPLE PERFORMING.
SO THE MUSIC WAS IMPORTANT, THAT
WAS WHY THEY WERE THERE.
THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT THEM THERE
BUT ONCE THEY GOT THERE IT WAS
ABOUT ALL OF THIS OTHER STUFF.
>> SEE A COUPLE OF INTERESTING
THINGS.
ONE YOU MENTION THE FACT THAT
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE EVENTS THAT
SO MANY MORE PEOPLE SAY YEAH, I
WAS AT WOODSTOCK.
YOU LOOK AT THEM AND SAY NO, YOU
WEREN'T.
BEYOND THAT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE
MUSIC.
IT'S THIS SORT OF THIS VISION,
THE MYTH OF THIS IDEAL LICK
GATHERING IN MEADOWS AND LOVELY
SORT OF PERSONAL INTERACTIONS.
TALK ABOUT LIKE THE WEATHER AND
THE MUD AND THE FACILITIES,
FOOD, WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT?
>> THIS WAS IS THE PERFECT
MANIFESTATION OF THE COUNTER
CULTURE OF THE HIM HAD IIE
MOVEMENT AS WE CALLED IT BACK
THEN.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
THIS WAS BACK TO THE GARDEN.
IT WAS A DAIRY FARM, FOR
HEAVEN'S SAKES.
THIS REALLY DID YOU KNOW, IN SO
MANY WAYS WAS THE EPITOME OF
WHAT SO MUCH OF THE COUNTER
CULTURE WAS ABOUT.
AND WHEN THEY GOT THERE, NATURE
CONTINUED TO COOPERATE BY
RAINING AND MAKING MUD AND
ALLOWING PEOPLE TO LITERALLY
BECOME ONE WITH NATURE AS THEY
FELL IN THE MUD.
AND THEY DIDN'T MIND.
I THINK MOST AUDIENCES TODAY
WOULD NEVER TOLERATE THE
CONDITIONS AT WOODSTOCK.
THE LACK OF ENOUGH BATHROOMS,
LACK OF FOOD AND WATER AND ALL
THE REST OF IT.
BUT SOMEHOW THAT BACK TO THE
GARDEN THING REALLY WORKED.
>> WELL, AS WE SAID, IT WAS
EIGHT FASCINATING MOMENT IN TIME
THAT CAPTURED SO MUCH OF WHAT
WAS GOING ON IN OUR CULTURE AND
OUR SOCIETY BACK THEN.
AND WHEN WE HAVE YOU ON HERE, IT
ALWAYS ILLUSTRATES TO ME WHY
YOU'RE SUCH AN EXTRAORDINARY
TEACHER BECAUSE WE LEARNED SO
MUCH FROM YOU IN OUR
CONVERSATIONS.
PROFESSOR ROBERT THOMPSON --
IT'S ALWAYS OUR PLEASURE TO HAVE
YOU HERE WITH US AND SHARE YOUR
THOUGHTS.
WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO OUR NEXT
CONVERSATION.
THANKS AGAIN FOR JOINING US AND
YOU BE WELL.
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