METROFOCUS: MARCH 15, 2019

The ribbon has been cut, the doors have been opened, and the “Vessel” welcomes all who wish to ascend its stairs. Tonight, we take you inside Manhattan’s newest neighborhood. As last minute preparations continue for tomorrow’s now all-inclusive St. Patrick’s Day parade here in Manhattan, Staten Island’s LGBT community questions why they are still being banned from their borough’s celebration. Following a year that rocked the Catholic Church with new revelations of decades old incidents of sexual abuse, Pope Francis convoked an unprecedented summit to take action. But was it a serious first step or public relations damage control? Monsignor Jim Lisante is here with answers.

Aired on March 15, 2019. 

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> TONIGHT ON 'METROFOCUS', THE RIBBON HAS BEEN CUT, THE DOORS HAVE BEEN OPENED AND THE VESSEL WELCOMES ALL TO WISH TO ASCEND ITS STAIRS.

HUDSON YARDS BECAME MANHATTAN'S NEWEST AND COOLEST NEIGHBORHOOD.

IN A MOMENT WE'LL TAKE YOU THERE.

> AS LAST MINUTE PREPARATIONS CONTINUE FOR TOMORROW ASSET ALL INCLUSIVE ST. PATRICK'S DAY PARADE IN MANHATTAN, STATEN ISLAND'S LGBT COMMUNITY QUESTIONED WHY THEY ARE STILL BEING BANNED FROM THAT BOROUGH CELEBRATION, AND PRESENT THEIR PLAN TO MARCH DOWN FOREST AVENUE NEXT YEAR.

AND AFTER A YEAR THAT ROCKED THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WITH NEW REVELATIONS OF SOMETIMES DECADES OLD INCIDENTS OF SEXUAL ABUSE, POPE FRANCIS INVOKED AN UNPRECEDENTED SUMMIT TO TAKE ACTION, A SERIOUS FIRST STEP OR PR DAMAGE CONTROL.

MONSIGNOR GYM ILSATNTE IS HERE WITH ANSWERS AS 'METROFOCUS' STARTS RIGHT NOW.

> THIS IS METROFOCUS WITH RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

METROFOCUS IS MADE POSSIBLE BY JAMES AND MERRYL TISCH.

SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM, III, THE SYLVIA PROGRAMMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT ANTI-SEMITISM.

ROSLYN P. WALTER, BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG AND BY CORPORATE FUNDING FOR 'METROFOCUS' WAS PROVIDED BY MUTUAL OF AMERICA, YOUR RETIREMENT COMPANY.

AND BY PSE&G, SERVING CUSTOMERS, STRENGTHENING THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND INVESTING IN THE FUTURE.

> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO METROFOCUS, I'M JACK FORD.

IT IS A BIG DAY FOR THE CITY, AND ONE THAT WILL GO INTO THE HISTORY BOOKS.

WHAT WAS ONCE AN UNUSED PARCEL OF LAND, A FORMER TRANSVERSE FOR RAIL LINES COMING INTO AND OUT OF NEW YORK HAS NOW TURNED INTO MANHATTAN'S NEWEST NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOTTEST NEW ADDRESS.

TODAY, HUDSON YARDS HAS OFFICIALLY OPENED TO THE PUBLIC.

THE MASSIVE METROPOLIS IS BEING HAILED AS THE LARGEST PRIVATE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY.

REPLETE WITH AN OBSERVATION DECK, UNRIVALLED BY ANY IN MANHATTAN, AND ITS MAGNIFICENT AND AWE INSPIRING ART INSTALLMENT/ARCHITECTURAL MARVEL, THE VESSEL.

IT'S GIVING A NEW FACE TO OUR CITY SKYLINE AND FOREVER CHANGING THE VIEW NEW JERSEY HAS OF OUR EVER EXPANDING GOTHAM.

METROFOCUS CORRESPONDENT MADDIE ORTON IS IN THE HEART OF HUDSON YARDS AND IS STANDING BY WITH FOR MOST A FIRST LOOK AT NEW YORK'S NEWEST ADDITION.

MA MADDE.

Reporter: THANKS, JACK, I'M HERE AT HUDSON YARDS WHERE THE NEWEST NEIGHBORHOOD, HAS IT GRAND OPENING.

SURROUNDED BY SOME OF MANHATTAN'S NEWEST BUILDINGS, WITH THE NEW ICONIC VESSEL GLEAMING IN THE BACK ROUND, THE HUDSON YARDS OPENING CEREMONY BEGAN WITH A NOD TO THE CITY'S PAST.

GRAMMY NOMINATED SINGER ANDRA DAY SINGING RODGERS AND HART'S MANHATTAN.

♪ THE SUBWAY CHARMS ARE SO ♪, KICKING OFF THE PRESENTATION WAS ANDERSON COOPER OF CNN.

THE NETWORK AND ITS PARENT ORGANIZATION WARNER MEDIA ARE TWO OF THE COMPANIES THAT RELOCATED THEIR OFFICES TO HUDSON YARDS.

THIS IS REALLY AN INCREDIBLE MOMENT IN NEW YORK'S HISTORY.

I'M A LIFELONG NEW YORKER, I'VE NEVER SEEN THE CREATION OF A WHOLE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD AND SUCH AN INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL ONE AND AN INTERESTING ONE.

THE RELATED COMPANIES BROKE GROUND ON THIS SIX YEARS AGO.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY DID IT IN SIX YEARS.

BUT THIS REALLY IS A MONUMENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE INNOVATION, TO OPTIMISM.

Reporter: REPRESENTATIVES FROM VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT WERE ON HAND TO CELEBRATE THE OPENING AND TO DEMONSTRATE HOW HUDSON YARDS' SUCCESS IS A SHARED SUCCESS.

SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER WAS PART OF A WORKING GROUP OF EXPERTS FROM DIFFERENT FIELDS CALLED THE GROUP OF 35.

IN THE EARLY 2000s, HE AND HIS COLLEAGUES COMPILED RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CITY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH LAID THE GROUNDWORK FOR RELATED HUDSON YARDS.

TWO DECADES AGO, THIS AREA WAS BARREN, BUT NEW YORK CITY WAS GROWING AND BUSINESSES NEEDED A PLACE TO GROW AND EXPAND BEYOND MANHATTAN'S SUPER DENSE CORPORATE NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE MIDTOWN AND THE FINANCIAL DISTRICT.

BACK THEN, THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT MOTIVATED ME, AND THAT STILL MOTIVATE ME TODAY IN TERMS OF NEW YORK.

THE FIRST IS JOB GROWTH.

I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE CAN DO FOR NEW YORKERS IS CREATE JOBS AT EVERY RUNG OF THE ECONOMIC LADDER.

THE SECOND IS TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

IF YOU BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY WILL COME.

AND NEW YORK'S ADVANTAGE HAS ALWAYS BEEN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

OUR SUBWAYS, OUR BRIDGES, OUR TUNNELS, OUR HIGHWAYS OUR PARKWAYS.

Reporter: SCHUMER ALSO SEIZED THE MOMENT TO MAKE THE CASE FOR AN ADDITIONAL PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE, THE GATEWAY TUNNEL.

FOR ALL THE COMPLAINTS AND MANY OF THEM ARE LEGITIMATE ABOUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE BRINGING 3 1/2 MILLION PEOPLE INTO MANHATTAN IS A REMARKABLE FEAT, AND PARENTHETICALLY, I MIGHT ADD, I HOPE THE WHITE HOUSE CAN HEAR THIS, THAT MEANS WE NEED GATEWAY TUNNEL AS WELL.

Reporter: SCHUMER WENT ON TO SAY ANYBODY WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE VITALITY OF NEW YORK SHOULD LOOK NO FURTHER THAN THE TRANSFORMATION AT HUDSON YARDS.

THIS GARGANTUAN EFFORT BY STEVE ROSS AND RELATED BY THE BUILDING TRADES, BY THE STATE AND CITY AND SO MANY OTHERS, WILL DRIVE GROWTH, ENERGY AND OPTIMISM IN THIS CITY TO A DEGREE THAT THE GROUP OF 35 COULD ONLY HAVE DREAMED OF.

Reporter: STEVEN ROSS, CHAIRMAN OF THE RELATED COMPANIES WHICH CODEVELOPED THE PROJECT TOOK THE STAGE TO DISCUSS WHAT HUDSON YARDS MEANS TO NEW YORK CITY.

TODAY, WE ARE A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE THE WEST SIDE ALL COMES TOGETHER.

TODAY WE CREATED A NEW MODEL FOR THE WORLD TO SEE A NEIGHBORHOOD ELEMENT THAT ENCOURAGES SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILL IENCY.

TODAY WE CREATED A DYNAMIC HUB OF CREATIVITY AND INNOVATION, AND TODAY, ONCE AGAIN, WE SHOWED TO NEW YORK WILL AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD.

Reporter: ROSS ASK CKNOWLEDG THE PROJECT WAS A MAJOR UNDERTAKING.

HE THANKED AMONG OTHERS THE SKILLED LABOR FORCE THAT BROUGHT HUDSON YARDS TO LIFE AND ACKNOWLEDGED HIS PREVIOUSLY STRAINED BUT NOW HE SAYS LA BARBARA, THE HEAD OF NEW YORK CITY BUILDING TRADE'S CONSUL.

AS ACKNOWLEDGED.

THE ACTUAL BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE, THE VESSEL BEHIND US, WAS BUILT BY HUMAN HANDS.

AND THESE WERE UNION HUMAN HANDS, AND WE TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN OUR SKILL AND OUR CRAFT.

THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM IN NEW YORK CITY ARE SECOND TO NONE.

SOME DAY, THERE WILL BE AN IRON WORKER WALKING BY WITH HIS SON OR GRANDSON AND HE WILL SAY, LOOK, I BUILT THAT.

THAT IS A GREAT DEAL OF PRIDE.

> LA BARBARA SHARED THE SPECIAL CHALLENGE AND ACCOMPLISHMENT OF CONSTRUCTING THE VESSEL.

A CRIMABLE SCULPTURE THAT IS CONSTRUCTION AND ART.

ECHOED THAT SENTIMENT IN HIS SPEECH AND COMPARED HUDSON YARDS TO OTHER GREAT GATHERING PLACES IN NEW YORK CITY.

IN OUR PRACTICE, WE'RE FASCINATING BY SPACES THAT BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER, SPACES THAT ARE FREE AND NEW YORK HAS JUST BEEN THIS PIONEER OF THAT.

THEY HAVE JUST FROM THE ORIGINAL CENTRAL PARK, WHICH IS JUST SO ORIGINAL FOR THE WAY OF THE CONFIDENCE OF PUTTING ONE MAJOR MASSIVE SPACE FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE OF WHATEVER INCOME THEY WERE AND THEN IN RECENT HISTORY, THE HIGH LINE HAPPENING, AND SO IN A WAY THAT'S HOW WE HAD THE IDEA FOR TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BUILD ON THAT HERITAGE.

THE IDEA OF VESSEL REALLY WAS THAT IT'S JUST A PLATFORM FOR WHATEVER'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH IT AND ON IT OVER THE YEARS AND DECADES TO COME.

THE WHOLE POINT WAS TO BE LIFTING UP 700 PEOPLE SO THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE EVERY DAY COULD LIKE THE ITALIAN PROM NENADES BE ABLE TO LOOK AT EACH OTHER, LOOK UP, LOOK DOWN, SHARE AN EXTRAORDINARY EXPERIENCE, AND SO IT'S NOT FINISHED UNTIL YOU'RE ON IT.

Reporter: WITH THAT, THE OFFICIAL CLIMB ABOARD WAS GIVEN BY A FAMOUS RESIDENT OF ANOTHER WELL KNOWN REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, SESAME STREET.

THANK YOU, NO, I THOUGHT I WAS BIG, BUT HOW BIG IS THE BIRD THAT LIVES IN THAT NEST, ONE, TWO, THREE.

Reporter: HUDSON YARDS PLAYS IN THE BROADER NEW YORK CITY CULTURE HAS YET TO BE SEEN, BUT THE BUZZ HERE IS PALPABLE.

IN MANHATTAN, I'M MADDIE ORTON, FOR 'METROFOCUS.'

> AS THE EVER POPULAR AND NOW ALL INCLUSIVE ST. PATRICK'S DAY PARADE MARCHES DOWN 5th AVENUE THIS YEAR, NEW YORK'S IRISH COMMUNITY INCLUDING ITS LGBT BROTHERS AND SISTERS WILL MARCH ARM IN ARM IN CELEBRATION OF A COMMON HERITAGE, BUT JUST A DOZEN MILES AWAY ON STATEN ISLAND, THIS YEAR ST. PATRICK'S DAY PARADE WAS MARRED IN THE OPINION OF MANY YET AGAIN BY THE SPIRIT OF EXCLUSION.

MEMBERS OF THE BOROUGHS ANCIENT ORDER OF HIBERNIANS TOLD THE LEADER OF PRIDE CENTER OF SHIELD THAT THEY WERE NOT WELCOME TO MARCH, CLIMBING THAT THEIR BANNER PROMOTED, THIS IS THEIR WORDS, PROMOTED THE HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE AND GOES AGAINST THE TENANTS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH: BOTH NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL MEDIA COVERED THE EVENT AND IT WAS ACCOMPANIED BY ADMONISHMENT FROM STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS WHO SUPPORT LGBT RIGHTS ALONG WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES ALONG THE PARADE ROUTE.

YET THIS YEAR'S STATEN ISLAND ST. PA ST. PATRICK'S DAY PARADE HAS LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY PASSED BY.

THE QUESTION IS WHAT HAPPENS NEXT YEAR AND IF THE RAINBOW FLAG MIGHT EVENTUALLY FLY ALONGSIDE THE EMERALD ON FOREST AVENUE.

JOINING ME NOW WITH A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND A PLAN OF ACTION IS THE PRIDE CENTER OF STATEN ISLAND'S CAROL BULLOCK.

IT WAS ABOUT A WEEK AGO WHEN WE TALKED AND NOW CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION.

LET ME ASK YOU TO DO THIS FOR VIEWERS WHO MAY NOT HAVE HEARD THE FIRST CONVERSATION OR FOLLOWED IT.

TELL ME ABOUT YOUR ORGANIZATION, WHAT DOES IT DO?

THE PRIDE CENTER OF STATEN ISLAND IS A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE LGBT COMMUNITY.

WE OFFER SUPPORT NOT ONLY FOR THE COMMUNITY ITSELF BUT FOR THEIR FAMILIES, PROVIDING SERVICES SUCH AS FREE MENTAL HEALTH, FREE HIV TESTING, WE ALSO HAVE WONDERFUL PROGRAMMING FOR THE YOUTH AS WELL AS THE ELDERLY.

WE ALSO PROVIDE EDUCATION FOR ORGANIZATIONS ALL THROUGHOUT STATEN ISLAND, AND WE DO ADVOCACY WORK AS WELL.

SO YOUR GROUP WANTED TO MARCH, ST. PATRICK'S DAY, NOT JUST MARCH BUT MARCH UNDER YOUR OWN BANNER AS OTHER GROUPS MARCH UNDER THEIR OWN BANNER.

TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU WENT TO THE ORGANIZER AND GAVE YOUR APPLICATION TO MARCH.

WHEN I WALKED IN I STATED MY NAME AND WHAT ORGANIZATION I WAS FROM AND I WAS IMMEDIATELY TOLD THAT THERE WAS A VOTE TAKEN AND THE ANSWER WAS NO.

AND WHEN I ASKED WHY, I WAS REFERRED TO LARRY CUMMINGS WHO'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE PARADE COMMITTEE, AND IN THE DISCUSSION HE TOLD ME THAT WE GO AGAINST THE TENANTS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, THROUGH SOME MORE DIALOGUE, HE TOLD ME THAT OUR BANNER PROMOTED THE HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE.

BECAUSE HE DID SAY WE COULD MARCH, JUST NOT WITH OUR BANNER.

WHY WAS IT SO IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO MARCH WITH YOUR BANNER, INSTEAD OF SAYING, FINE, WE'LL BE A PRESENCE, WE'LL BE THERE, AND WE'LL MARCH, WHY DID YOU DECIDE THAT YOU NEEDED YOUR BANNER?

FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE MANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE ALLOWED TO MARCH UNDER THEIR BANNER.

IT'S AN ORGANIZATION I'M EXTREMELY PROUD TO WORK FOR.

WE DO SO MUCH GREAT WORK ALL ACROSS THE ISLAND.

TO SAY THAT A BANNER WOULD PROMOTE A HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE IS JUST RIDICULOUS, AND WHEN I TOLD HIM JUST THAT, THAT IT WAS RIDICULOUS, I INVITED HIM TO COME TO THE CENTER TO SEE WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO, AND OUR CONVERSATION STOPPED THERE, BUT AS AN ORGANIZATION, WE WANT TO PROUDLY WALK WITH OUR BANNER AND CELEBRATE OUR IRISH HERITAGE.

DID YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION WITH HIM ABOUT THE FACT THAT NOW THE PARADE HERE ON 5th AVENUE HAS CHANGED AND NOW IT DOES ALLOW GROUPS TO MARCH?

YES.

WITH THEIR OWN IDENTITY AND THEIR OWN BANNERS.

ABSOLUTELY.

ANY REACTION TO THAT?

NO.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I EVEN SAID, YOU KNOW THE PRIME MINISTER OF IRELAND IS AN OPENLY GUY MAN, WOULD YOU ALLOW HIM TO MARCH WITH US UNDER OUR BANNER.

I SAID HE CAN MARCH, JUST NOT UNDER A BANNER.

WHAT SORT OF REACTION DID YOU GET FROM OTHER PUBLIC FIGURES AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS BEFORE THE PARADE TOOK PLACE?

OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FROM ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS.

IT WAS INCREDIBLE.

GIVE ME FOR INSTANCES.

THE BOROUGH PRESIDENT, GOVERNOR CUOMO PUT SOMETHING OUT.

I CAN NAME EVERY SINGLE ELECTED OFFICIAL, DEBBIE ROSE.

AND THIS WAS PUBLIC SUPPORT.

YES, PUBLIC SUPPORT.

NOT JUST A PHONE CALL SAYING, HEY I CAN'T GET UP FRONT ABOUT THIS, BUT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.

THIS IS PEOPLE SAYING YOU CAN PUT MY NAME ON THIS ENDORSEMENT?

ABSOLUTELY.

HOW ABOUT IN THE COMMUNITY ITSELF?

AGAIN, OVERWHELMING.

WE HAD, IMMEDIATELY, WITHIN THE FIRST WEEK OF REALLY GETTING THIS OUT THERE, ABOUT ALMOST 30 ORGANIZATIONS WHO SIGNED ON TO SUPPORT US, AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I HAVE GOTTEN PHONE CALLS, E-MAILS, EVERY SINGLE DAY FROM INDIVIDUALS.

EITHER FROM STATEN ISLAND OR BEYOND OUR BOROUGH, JUST IN SUPPORT SAYING THEY CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS GOING ON.

WHAT CAN THEY DO.

DID YOU GO TO THE PARADE?

I DID.

I DID.

IN WHAT CAPACITY AND DID YOU MARCH AT ALL OR WERE YOU SIMPLY A SPECTATOR?

HOW DID YOU HANDLE IT?

YEAH, SO IT'S A GREAT DAY, A GREAT CELEBRATION, AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE, AND VERY IMPORTANT TO STATEN ISLAND ECONOMICALLY AS WELL AS JUST, YOU KNOW, CAMARADERIE, AND I WAS PERSONALLY INVITED TO A VIP BRUNCH PRIOR TO THE PARADE BY ASSEMBLYMAN MIKE KUSICK AND MIKE McMAN, OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY, AND I WENT TO THAT.

IT WAS GREAT, AGAIN, THE SUPPORT WAS INCREDIBLE.

AFTER THAT BRUNCH, I WENT OUTSIDE AND I WALKED DOWN ONE SIDE OF THE STREET ON FOREST AVENUE, WALKED BACK UP, WENT ACROSS AND WENT DOWN THE OTHER SIDE AND THE UNBELIEVABLE THING TO ME WAS HOW MANY SUPPORTERS STOPPED ME, THANKED ME.

THERE WERE RAINBOW FLAGS AS WELL AS IRISH FLAGS FLYING ALONG THE SIDELINES, SO IT WAS REALLY REALLY NICE.

THIS MIGHT BE A HARD QUESTION FOR YOU TO ANSWER BECAUSE I'M ASKING YOU TO SORT OF PROGNOSTICATE.

KNOWING THE STRUGGLES THAT THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY HAS ENGAGED IN, ESPECIALLY TO BECOME PART OF THESE OFFICIAL FUNCTIONS, IF YOU WILL, AND THEN JUST OPPOSING THAT, HOW DO YOU THINK YOUR GROUP WOULD HAVE BEEN RECEIVED IF THE ABILITY TO MARCH UNDER YOUR PRIDE BANNER.

I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE INCREDIBLE WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN.

I THINK SUPPORT THAT I HAVE SEEN JUST, I KNOW WE WOULD HAVE BEEN RECEIVED INCREDIBLY WELL.

JUST AS I WAS AT THAT BRUNCH PRIOR TO.

I MEAN, THERE WASN'T A NEGATIVE THING, NOTHING THAT CAME MY WAY THAT DAY.

LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, THEN, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR, ASSUMING YOU'RE GOING TO APPLY IN MARCH NEXT YEAR.

WHAT DO YOU PLAN ON DOING BETWEEN NOW AND THEN THAT MIGHT HOPEFULLY CHANGE THE ATTITUDES AND THE DECISIONS?

GREAT QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, I THINK WITH ALL OF THE VISIBILITY THAT HAS COME OUT OF THIS, I'VE ALREADY HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS ONE ON ONE.

AND I KNOW THAT THOSE WHO DEFINITELY SUPPORTED US ARE GOING TO HELP IN ANY WAY THEY CAN.

I THINK THERE'S A STRATEGY THAT WILL WE'LL COME UP WITH, AND AS I MENTIONED, THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS ACROSS STATEN ISLAND WILL BE INVOLVED IN THAT AS WELL.

THEY HAVE OFFERED FULL SUPPORT IN ANY WAY THEY CAN, SO I THINK COLLECTIVELY, WE'LL COME TOGETHER ON THIS.

AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.

WELL, WE'LL PLAN ON TALKING WITH YOU AGAIN NEXT YEAR AS WE GET CLOSE, AND WE'LL SEE WHERE WE ARE.

WHEN I HAVE MARCHING SHOES ON ME.

CAROL, ALWAYS GOOD TO TALK TO YOU.

THANK YOU FOR SPENDING SOME TIME WITH US.

YOU BE WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

> A PASSIONATE SPEECH AT THE VATICAN LATE LAST NIGHT, POPE FRANCIS VOWED TO COMBAT SEXUAL ABUSE IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, CALLING ON BISHOPS AROUND THE WORLD TO LEAD A QUOTE, ALL OUT BATTLE AGAINST THE ABUSE OF MINORS.

THE SPEECH WAS THE CULMINATION OF A HISTORIC FOUR-DAY SUMMIT CONVENED BY THE POPE IN RESPONSE TO A SERIES OF SCANDALS THAT ROCKED THE CHURCH DURING HIS PA PAPALCY.

THE PICTURE THAT CAME OUT OF THE MEETING WAS AMBIGUOUS, AND THERE NOW APPEARED TO BE EVEN MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT COMES NEXT FOR THE CHURCH AND FOR VICTIMS OF CLERICAL ABUSE PAST AND PRESENT.

AND JOINING US NOW TO TALK ABOUT THIS IS MONSIGNOR JIM LISANTE, HOST OF 'PERSONALLY SPEAKING' IN MASSAPEQUA PARK, LONG ISLAND.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME BACK.

FIRST OF ALL, MONSIGNOR, WHO TOOK PART IN THE SUMMIT AND WHAT WAS THE SUMMIT'S GOAL.

EACH COMPANY HAS A BISHOP'S LEADERSHIP COUNCIL IF YOU WILL, WE HAVE ONE IN AMERICA BASED IN WASHINGTON, D.C., THE PRESIDENT'S CARDINAL DENADO IN HOUSTON.

ALL OF THE HEADS CAME TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT WHAT DO WE DO NEXT?

AND THE GOAL WAS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO NEXT.

TO LOOK BACK TO AND SEE WHAT KIND OF RESPONSIBILITY DO WE HAVE TO FIX THE PAST, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY.

IN YOUR INTRODUCTION, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEING A FRANCIS PROBLEM, BUT ACTUALLY, FRANCIS HAS INHERITED THE PROBLEM.

IT EXPLODED DURING HIS TENURE.

EXPLODED ON HIS WATCH, JOHN PAUL II, BENEDICT, JOHN 23rd.

HAPPILY SINCE THE YEAR 2000, THE NUMBERS HAVE GONE DOWN, WE'RE PAYING FOR THE CRIMES OF THE PAST.

YEAH.

FROM WHAT I READ INITIALLY, THE SUMMIT WAS INTENDED TO DEAL NOT ONLY WITH THE ABUSE OF MINORS BUT ALSO WITH THE ABUSE OF AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT OF YOUNG ADULTS.

SUCH AS SEMINARNS AND YOUNG PRIESTS, SOMETHING THAT CAME GLAREINGLY TO LIGHT IN THE CASE OF THEODORE McCARRICK CAME TO PUBLIC.

HE APPARENTLY WAS A SERIAL PREDATOR PREDATOR FOR DECADES.

I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COVER UP AND THAT'S WHAT THE CHURCH HAS TO CONFRONT.

A GUY LIKE CARDINAL McCARRICK DIDN'T GET TO BE A CARDINAL WITHOUT PEOPLE KNOWING WHAT WAS GOING ON.

TO BE NAMED AUKS SILLY OF NEW YORK, AND ARCH BISHOP OF NEWARK THIS WAS A MAN WITH A PROBLEM.

OVER TEN YEARS AGO, A GUY AT FOX NEWS SAID HE HAD ENOUGH INFORMATION ON THE CARDINAL TO BLOW THE WHISTLE.

IF TEN YEARS AGO PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA KNEW, THIS WAS AN OPEN SECRET.

WHY DID THE CHURCH ALLOW IT TO GO ON.

THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES FOR POPE FRANCIS.

THE SUMMIT FOCUSSED ON THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF MINORS IN THE CHURCH, WHAT DID IT CONCRETELY ACCOMPLISH DO YOU THINK?

I THINK, IF ANYTHING, IT'S JUST FRANCIS SAYING, LOOK, THE BUCK DOES STOP HERE, AND WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

THIS ISN'T ONE OF THOSE ISSUES YOU CAN PR IT, AND IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY.

IF WE DON'T CHANGE OUR WAYS AND ADDRESS THE PAST AND CORRECT WHAT WAS WRONG.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF A BISHOP WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR COVERING UP, THERE'S GOT TO BE ACCOUNTABILITY.

IN THE DALLAS CHARTER THEY CAME UP WITH EARLY IN THE CENTURY, WE PRIESTS WERE CALLED ON THE CARPET, YOU DO IT ONCE, YOU'RE OUT.

THERE WAS NOTHING IN THERE, NOTHING, RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BISHOPS COVERING UP.

SO IT'S GOT TO BE A CONSISTENT ETHIC.

AND WHO WAS ONE OF THE LEADING ARCHITECTURES OF THAT.

TED McCARRICK.

WHAT A SHOCK.

SO THE POPE'S CLOSING REMARKS, EVERYONE AGREES THAT THEY WERE POWERFUL WORDS CONDEMNING CHILD ABUSE OF MINORS IN AND OUT OF THE CHURCH: MANY CRITICS, INCLUDING VICTIMS OF ABUSE WERE DISAPPOINTED.

THEY SAID THAT THEY HAD HEARD TOUGH TALK BEFORE AND THEY WANTED TO SEE CONCRETE ACTIONS SUCH AS I THINK YOU'VE TOUCHED ON SOME OF THEM, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PROCEDURE TO HOLD BISHOPS ACCOUNTABLE, INDEPENDENT OF THE BISHOPS AND SO FEW CATHOLIC FAITHFUL, LET'S FACE IT, HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THE BISHOPS CAN POLICE THEMSELVES ANYMORE.

THE DEFROCKING OF BISHOPS WHO HAVE PROTECTED PEDOPHILES OR ABUSED SOME THEMSELVES OR YOUNG ADULTS, THE OPENING OF THE VATICAN ARCHIVES AND THE HANDING OVER OF RELEVANT DOCUMENTS, THESE ARE THINGS I HAVE CALLED FROM VARIOUS CRITICS AND HERE IN AMERICA THERE WAS A CALL AND A HOPE THAT THERE WOULD FINALLY BE A REAL INVESTIGATION OF THE McCARRICK CASE.

TO FIND OUT AS YOU SAID HOW DID IT HAPPEN, HOW COULD THIS MAN RISE SO HIGH WHEN SO MANY PEOPLE KNEW.

AND I'LL ADD ONE MORE THERE.

SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE INVOLVEMENT OF WOMEN MORE IN THE LEADERSHIP OF THE CHURCH.

I'LL GIVE YOU EXAMPLE, EVERY DIOCESE HAS A PERSONNEL BOARD THAT PLACES PRIESTS.

CAN YOU IMAGINE IF WE HAD ONE MOTHER ON EVERY PERSONNEL BOARD, WAIT A SECOND, FATHER X DP THIS IN THOWN AND YOU'RE GOING TO MOE HIM TO THAT TOWN, ARE YOU CRAZY.

A WOMAN, A MOTHER WOULD SAY NO, IF HE HURT KIDS, YOU DON'T PUT HIM IN A NEW ASSIGNMENT.

WE DON'T USE WOMEN APPROPRIATELY TO LET THEM SPEAK TO THE FUTURE OF THE CHURCH.

I WOULD HOPE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMES OUT OF THIS, AND I THINK FRANCE SIS IS OPEN TO THIS, GREATER INVOLVEMENT BY WOMEN IN THE LIFE OF THE CHURCH.

HOW COME THE LAST DAY OF THE SUMMIT DIDN'T HAVE A LIST OF THESE THINGS, WHAT I MENTIONED AND WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FROM NOW ON, NO MORE EMOTIONAL WORDS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS TOO.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR ONE SIZE FITS ALL WHEN IT COMES TO THE CHURCH.

A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF THEY CAME OUT OF THE CONFERENCE AND EVERY PRIEST THAT DID ANYTHING WRONG, REMOVED, AND EVERY BISHOP THAT DID ANYTHING WRONG, REMOVED.

IN AMERICA YOU HAVE DUE PROCESS, IF SOMEONE IS BROUGHT FORTH WITH A CRIME, THERE'S GOING TO BE A PROCESS.

IF WE HAVE A GUY IN OUR VILLAGE RESPONSIBLE FOR HURTING KIDS, WE TAKE HIM OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE AND END HIS LIFE.

THE LAW AND ORDER YOU ARE USED TO IN EUROPE AND AMERICA IS NOT UNIVERSAL, SO ONE SIZE DOESN'T FIT ALL.

THERE ARE PARTS OF THE WORLD WHERE CHILD ABUSE ISN'T JUST A CRIME THAT WE REMOVE YOU FROM THE PRIESTHOOD, IT COULD BE A DEATH SENTENCE.

SO HE'S DEALING WITH, POOR FRANCIS, GOD BLESS HIM.

AS YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ANYONE.

THE THING THAT MAKES THE CHURCH POWERFUL IS ITS MORAL AUTHORITY.

WITHOUT ITS MORAL AUTHORITY.

WHICH IT'S SHOT AT THIS POINT.

IT'S GOT NO POWER.

DO YOU THINK THIS SUMMIT IN ANY WAY CONTRIBUTED TO INCREASING OR GIVING A REBIRTH TO THAT?

IT'S A FIRST STEP BACK BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER WE USED TO HAVE BECAUSE IT IS THE POWER OF PERSUASION, AND I GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID A MOMENT AGO, IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE GOSPELS, THE CONSISTENT SIN THAT JESUS MENTIONS IS NOT ABOUT STEALING, IS NOT ABOUT SEXUAL ASSAULT, IT'S ABOUT HYPOCRISY AND THE CHURCH'S GREAT SIN IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN HYPOCRITES, WE HAVE BEEN SAYING ONE THING AND PRACTICING ANOTHER.

FOR INSTANCE, OUR TEACHING ON THE ETHIC OF LIFE, THE CONSISTENT ETHIC OF LIFE FROM THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION TO THE MOMENT OF NATURAL DEATH, LIFE IS SACRED, IF YOU'RE NOT PROTECTING THE KIDS, YOU DON'T MEAN IT.

AND JESUS SAYS WHOA TO THE MAN WHO HURTS THE LITTLE ONE, A MILL STONE SHOULD BE TIED AROUND HIS NECK AND THROWN IN THE RIVER.

ARE YOU OPTIMISTIC THAT THE CHURCH WILL DO WHAT IT NEEDS TO?

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.

IT WON'T GO AWAY.

THE VICTIMS GROUPS ARE KEEPING US ACTIVE IN TERMS OF NOT MAKING THIS BURIED UNDER THE CARPET.

I KNOW THE CHURCH LIKE ANY HUMAN INSTITUTION CAN SAY WE HAVE MANAGED THIS, NOW WE CAN GO ON.

WE NEED CHANGES.

ONE OF THE THINGS I HOPE WILL COME OUT OF THIS IS A TRUE DISCUSSION ABOUT A CLERGY THAT'S BOTH MARRIED AND SELL CELIBATE.

IF WE HAVE THIS SHORTAGE IN AMERICA, WHICH WE DO, THERE ARE STEPS WE CAN TAKE, RAFAEL, MY BIG THING IS LET'S HOLD OUR FEET TO THE FIRE AND NOT BACK OFF.

THIS ISN'T A PASSING PROBLEM.

THIS CAN BE A PROBLEM FOREVER UNLESS WE TRULY ADDRESS IT AND PURGE OURSELVES OF HYPOCRISY.

THANK YOU MONSIGNOR.

'METROFOCUS' IS MADE POSSIBLE BY JAMES AND MERRYL TO THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION.

SUE AND EDGAR WALK -- MERRYL TISH.

ROSLYN P. WALTER.

BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG AND BY:

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