TONIGHT ON METROFOCUS

From Trump Tower to New York City Housing Authority housing. For one Department of Housing and Urban Development official, the view from her office will change dramatically. But is this a publicity stunt, or is this a move for accountability? We have the details. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg opens up about life on the bench and bouncing back after cracking three ribs this past November.  We’ll preview “Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg In Conversation,” coming to public television beginning January 2. “The Boss” takes his final curtain call after his intimate run at the Walter Kerr Theatre. Join us for a look at the kid from Asbury Park who became a rock star and a legend. As the arts lose funding in public schools, one institution of learning in Schenectady, New York, is hoping to preserve a creative niche for a special group of kids. The Wildwood Program allows students with autism and other forms of complex learning disabilities to express themselves creatively and freely through the arts.

Aired on December 17, 2018. 

TRANSCRIPT

> TONIGHT ON 'METROFOCUS,' FROM TRUMP TOWER TO NYCHA HOUSING, FOR ONE H.U.D.

OFFICIAL, THE VIEW FROM HER OFFICE WILL CHANGE DRAMATICALLY COME JANUARY.

BUT IS HER MOVE A PUSH FOR ACCOUNTABILITY OR FOR PUBLICITY?

WE'RE TAKING A CLOSER LOOK.

> THE NOTORIOUS RBG.

SUPREME COURT JUSTICE RUTH BADER GINSBURG OPENS UP ABOUT LIFE ON THE BENCH AND BOUNCING BACK AFTER CRACKING THREE RIBS THIS PAST NOVEMBER.

IT'S A RARE INTERVIEW YOU'LL ONLY SEE ON PBS, AND YOUR PREVIEW IS JUST AHEAD.

> IT'S A RAP FOR THE BOSS ON BROADWAY.

BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN TAKES HIS FINAL CURTAIN CALL.

IN A MOMENT, A LOOK AT THE KID FROM ASBURY PARK WHO BECAME A ROCK STAR LEGEND.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE AS 'METROFOCUS' STARTS RIGHT NOW.

> THIS IS 'METROFOCUS' WITH RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD, AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

'METROFOCUS' IS MADE POSSIBLE BY JAMES AND MERRYL TISCH, SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM, III, THE SYLVIA A. AND SIMON B. POYTA PROGRAMMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT ANTI-SEMITISM, BERNARD AND IRENE SCHWARTZ, ROSALIND P.

WALTER, BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG AND BY -- CORPORATE FUNDING FOR 'METROFOCUS' WAS PROVIDED BY MUTUAL OF AMERICA, YOUR RETIREMENT COMPANY.

AND BY PSE&G, SERVING CUSTOMERS, STRENGTHENING THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND INVESTING IN THE FUTURE.

> GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO 'METROFOCUS.'

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

I'M JACK FORD.

FROM TRUMP PLAZA, DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT OFFICIAL LYNNE PATTON IS MAKING HER WAY TO HARLEM IN JANUARY IN AN ATTEMPT TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE.

HOWEVER, AMID REPORTS OF RAT INVASIONS, TOXIC MOLD AND HEAT OUTAGES, WILL HER STAY BE ENOUGH TO GAIN A PERSPECTIVE ON THE HOUSING SYSTEM AND TO HELP MAKE CHANGES?

IN A TWEET, LYNNE PATTON EXPRESSED HER CURRENT TAKE OF NYCHA'S LIVING CONDITIONS, COMPARING IT TO -- DEAR MIGRANT CARAVAN, WE KNOW MANY OF YOU ARE FREEING OPPRESSED CONDITIONS OF ABJECT POVERTY.

SHE SAID WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, DON'T COME TO NYC, BECAUSE NYCHA RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE IT HERE, EITHER.

SO IS NYCHA'S HOUSING AS EXTREME AS SHE STATES AND WILL HER STAY BRING ABOUT THE CHANGES NYCHA RESIDENTS ARE HOPING FOR, OR DID IT MAKE FOR AN EXCELLENT HEADLINE?

HERE IS A WOMAN WHO FIRST BROUGHT YOU THIS STORY FROM 'THE WASHINGTON POST,' TRACY JAN.

WELCOME TO YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LET'S START OFF AND TO GET SOME CONTEXT HERE FOR VIEWERS WHO MIGHT NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS STORY.

TELL ME ABOUT LYNNE PATTON, HER BACK GROUND AND WHAT HER JOB IS.

LYNNE PATTON IS THE REGIONAL HEAD ADMINISTRATOR FOR NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY.

BUT MORE INTERESTINGLY, HER BACKGROUND IS A LONG-TIME TRUMP FAMILY AIDE/LIAISON.

HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH THEM ABOUT A DECADE, AND IT'S THOSE CONNECTIONS THAT GOT HER HER JOB AT H.U.D.

LET'S TALK ABOUT HER ROLE AT H.U.D. AND THE IMPACT IT COULD HAVE.

MANY PEOPLE MIGHT BE SAYING WELL, THIS IS NEW YORK CITY HOUSING.

WHY DOES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GET INVOLVED?

WHY WOULD SHE WANT TO BE THERE?

WHAT'S THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION?

NYCHA IS ACTUALLY A FEDERALLY FUNDED AGENCY, SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS INVOLVED FROM THE GET-GO.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT -- UNFORTUNATELY FOR NYCHA, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN NOT FUNDING IT AS MUCH SINCE 2001.

I THINK IT'S LOST OVER $3 BILLION IN FEDERAL CAPITAL AND OPERATING FUNDS SINCE THEN.

SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF CHANGE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WOULD INVOLVE COST, GETTING EXECUTIVES FROM H.U.D.

INVOLVED IS CERTAINLY ESSENTIAL, YES?

THAT IS RIGHT.

SIT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO FUND NYCHA.

TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HER IMPETUS.

SHE HAD AN INTERESTING STORY HOW THIS NOTION CAME TO HER, TELL US ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

WELL, ACCORDING TO LYNNE, SHE WAS SITTING ON HER COUCH AT TRUMP PLAZA WHERE SHE LIVES OVER THE THANKSGIVING WEEKEND.

SHE AND HER BOYFRIEND AND HER DOG, HER SHIH TZU NAMED WINSTON CHURCHILL WERE WATCHING 'CRAZY RICH ASIANS,' AND SHE HAD BEEN AWARE GIVEN HER ROLE OF THE PROBLEMS AT NYCHA, BUT FROM HER COFFEE TABLE, BLARED THE HEADLINE THAT NYCHA RESIDENTS WERE, AGAIN, WITHOUT HEAT AND HOT WATER.

AND SO SHE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, LET ME JUST MOVE IN THERE AND SEE WHAT KIND OF IMPACT I CAN MAKE DURING A MONTH-LONG STAY.

NOW, THIS IS NOT COMPLETELY UNHEARD OF IN THE WORLD OF POLITICS, RIGHT?

THAT'S RIGHT.

THE NOTION OF A POLITICAL FIGURE SAYING I'M GOING TO LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY IMMERSE MYSELF INTO THE CIRCUMSTANCES HERE THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH, CORRECT?

THAT'S RIGHT.

MOST FAMOUSLY, THE CHICAGO MAYOR DID IT IN 1981.

SHE MOVED INTO CABRINI GREENS FOR ONLY THREE WEEKS, BUT SHE AND HER HUSBAND TOOK A WHOLE APARTMENT.

HER GOAL WAS TO EMPHASIZE HOW MUCH SAFER CABRINI GREEN WAS COMPARED TO PUBLIC PERCEPTION.

SHE MOVED IN WITH A BUNCH OF SECURITY AND THAT DIDN'T GO OVER AS WELL.

WHAT IS THE PLAN, THEN, IN TERMS OF LYNNE PATTON MOVING IN FOR HOW LONG, UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES, WHERE SPECIFICALLY WILL SHE BE?

SURE.

LYNNE AND H.U.D. OFFICIALS, AS WELL AS THE TENANT ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT AT FOR THE NEW YORK PUBLIC HOUSING RESIDENTS, THEY'RE WORKING OUT THE LOGISTICS.

HER GOAL IS TO MOVE IN, IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY, STAYING WITH A DIFFERENT FAMILY ALREADY LIVING IN NEW YORK PUBLIC HOUSING FOR ONE WEEK AT A TIME.

FOUR FAMILIES TOTAL, ONE WEEK STAYS WITH EACH, AND IN FOUR DIFFERENT BURROUGHS AROUND THE CITY.

I SEEN SOME FOLKS COMMENTS ON THIS AND SOME SAID WELL, IT'S JUST AN ATTEMPT TO GENERATE SOME PUBLICITY.

BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WOULD THAT BE A BAD THING?

AGAIN, YOU'RE A JOURNALIST.

I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO JUMP IN ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.

BUT I THINK YOU CAN MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT THAT IT'S ALREADY GENERATED PUBLICITY ABOUT THE PROBLEMS IN THE NYCHA HOUSING, AND MAYBE JUST THAT BY ITSELF CAN BE BENEFICIAL?

THAT'S RIGHT.

IT IS AN ATTEMPT TO GENERATE PUBLICITY, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE CAN'T BE ACCOUNTABILITY ALONG WITH IT.

SHE HASN'T EVEN MOVED IN.

SHE COMES IN JANUARY, IF ALL GOES WELL WITH THE APPROVALS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN, AND WE'RE -- NATIONAL MEDIA IS ALREADY TALKING ABOUT A PROBLEM THAT NEW YORK RESIDENTS PROBABLY KNOW A LOT BETTER.

SO IT'S ALREADY WORKING.

I THINK THE REAL TEST IS WHAT HAPPENS AFTER SHE LEAVES.

ARE THE PROBLEMS THAT SHE'S HIGHLIGHTS, WILL THEY BE FIXED?

I SPOKE WITH A NEW YORK PROFESSOR WHO IS AN EXPERT IN NYCHA HOUSING, HE'S WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT IT, HE SAYS THIS IS LIKE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION RULING BY REALITY SHOW.

THAT SAID, IT'S SAVVY PUBLICITY MOVE.

WE'RE SEEING MORE ATTENTION DEVOTED TO THIS BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE HAS DONE.

I GUESS THE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU IS, DOES SHE, IN HER ROLE, HAVE THE ACTUAL POWER, AFTER SHE COMES OUT OF THIS, AND LET'S ASSUME SHE IS AFFECTED BY THIS AS SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT OF THE PROBLEMS HERE, DOES SHE HAVE THE ACTUAL POWER TO SOMEHOW EFFECT CHANGE?

HER JOB IS TO BE THE LIAISON BETWEEN NYCHA AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

SO SHE DOES HAVE POWER.

AND SHE HAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF POWER BEING THAT SHE HAS A DIRECT LINE TO THE WHITE HOUSE.

IRONICALLY, IT IS H.U.D., FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT HAS BEEN CUTTING FUNDING FOR NYCHA.

SO THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF HAS GUTTED NYCHA'S FUNDING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND OPERATING BUDGET IN THE -- HIS LAST COUPLE OF BUDGET PROPOSALS.

SO SOME WOULD CALL IT HYPOCRITICAL THAT SHE'S DRAWING ATTENTION TO A PROBLEM THAT HER OWN PRESIDENT IS ATTEMPTING TO MAKE WORSE.

HER RESPONSE IS CONGRESS DID APPROVE AN INCREASE IN FUNDING FOR H.U.D., INCLUDING MONEY FOR PUBLIC HOUSING, AND TRUMP SIGNED OFF ON IT.

SO IN THE END, THE MONEY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF BUDGET CYCLES, HASN'T BEEN DECREASED.

FROM HER PERSPECTIVE, SHE THINKS THAT THE PRESIDENT BEING FROM NEW YORK AND ALL, HAS A SOFT SPOT FOR THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS, INCLUDING RESIDENTS OF NYCHA.

AS YOU SAID, THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A POSITIVE RESPONSE IN TERMS OF ATTENTION PAID AND HOPEFULLY SOMETHING MORE CAN COME FROM IT.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR REPORTING ON THIS AND SPENDING TIME WITH US.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOU TAKE CARE.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

HAS IS YOUR HEALTH?

IT'S FINE, THANK YOU.

AND THOSE RIBS YOU BUSTED?

ALMOST REPAIRED.

THE SUPREME COURT'S OLDEST SITTING JUSTICE IS BACK, AND GOING STRONG.

RUTH BADER GINSBURG APPEARING BEFORE A SOLD-OUT AUDIENCE FOR THE MUSEUM OF THE CITY'S NEW YORK SERIES, 'AN EVENING WITH JUSTICE RUTH BADER GINSBURG.'

IN AN HOUR-LONG CONVERSATION THAT WILL AIR ON PUBLIC TELEVISION STATIONS, THE 85-YEAR-OLD SITS DOWN FOR 'JUSTICE RUTH BADER GINSBURG IN CONVERSATION.'

THE TWO DISCUSS HER QUARTER CENTURY ON THE NATION'S HIGHEST BENCH, HER 2016 BOOK, AND HER COMMITMENT TO PRINCIPLED DISSENT.

AND MORE THAN A MONTH AFTER FALLING AND FRACTURING THREE RIBS, THE BROOKLYN NATIVE EXPLAINS WHAT IT TOOK TO GET HER BACK INTO FIGHTING FORM.

HERE'S A SNEAK PEEK.

HOW'S YOUR HEALTH?

IT'S FINE, THANK YOU.

AND THOSE RIBS YOU BUSTED?

ALMOST REPAIRED.

THAT'S GOOD.

[ APPLAUSE ] AND HAVE YOU GONE BACK TO YOUR TRAINER?

YES.

WE WENT BACK IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FALL, WE COULD DO LEGS ONLY.

BUT YESTERDAY, WE DID THE WHOLE ROUTINE.

THE WHOLE ROUTINE?

YES.

THE WHOLE ROUTINE THAT MOST 35-YEAR-OLDS CAN'T DO WHEN THEY WOULD GO AND SEE IF THEY COULD JUST DO THAT ROUTINE.

WE ARE BY FAR THE MOST COLLEGIAL INSTITUTE IN TOWN.

WE ALL RESPECT AND EVEN GENUINELY LIKE EACH OTHER.

I THINK YOU CAN SEE THAT IN SO MANY WAYS.

ALL THE THINGS THAT WE DO TOGETHER.

IN JANUARY, THERE WILL BE A DINNER IN HONOR OF THE NEW JUNIOR JUSTICE.

THAT'S A TRADITION.

THE PERSON WHO HAS JUST GIVEN UP THE JOB BEING UP THE JUNIOR POSITION DOES THIS FOR THE LATEST ARRIVAL.

AFTER LIVING IN WASHINGTON FOR, I GUESS NIGH UNDER 40 YEARS, DO YOU STILL CONSIDER YOURSELF A NEW YORKER?

AND NOT ONLY A NEW YORKER, BUT A BROOKLYNITE.

[ APPLAUSE ] YOU KNOW, WHEN I LEFT NEW YORK TO COME TO D.C., I THOUGHT THERE WAS NO OTHER CITY IN THE WORLD FOR ME BUT THIS ONE.

BUT INSIDE OF SIX MONTHS, I FOUND MANY TREASURES IN D.C., INCLUDING ALL THE MUSEUMS THAT ARE FREE AND THE CONCERTS THAT ARE FREE.

MY DAUGHTER MADE A COMMENT.

SHE SAID, IF YOU HAD MOVED WHEN YOU WERE IN YOUR 30s RATHER THAN IN YOUR LATE 40s, YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN SO CONTENT WITH THE CHANGE.

SO WHAT IS IT THAT YOU MISS ABOUT NEW YORK?

WELL, THE TREMENDOUS VARIETY.

ANYTHING YOU WANT, YOU CAN FIND IN THIS CITY.

THE MUSEUMS, THE METROPOLITAN OPERA.

I LOVE THE WASHINGTON NATIONAL OPERA, BUT I DON'T THINK THE M.E.T. HAS ANY RIVAL IN THE WORLD.

I'VE GONE TO THE M.E.T. EVERY FIVE YEARS ON A NOTABLE BIRTHDAY, STARTING WITH MY 70th AND NOW MY 85th.

AND I GET MY CHILDREN TO ATTEND, AND IT'S A FANTASTIC EVENING.

JUSTICE RUTH BADER GINSBURG IN CONVERSATION WILL AIR ON JANUARY 2 MD ON WLIW AT 9:00 P.M.

JANUARY 7th ON 13 AT 9:00 P.M.

AND THEN JANUARY 10th, ALSO AT 9:00 P.M.

> I WANT TO BE ABLE TO CELEBRATE AND HONOR ITS BEAUTY AND BE A CRITICAL VOICE WHEN I SAW THAT'S WHAT THE TIMES CALLED FOR.

♪ I WANTED TO TELL MY STORY, YOUR STORY, WHERE WERE WE GOING TOGETHER AS A PEOPLE.

♪ MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO TELL THAT STORY WELL TO YOU.

♪ EVERYBODY HAS A LOVE-HATE RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR HOMETOWN.

TAKE ME.

I'M MR. BORN TO RUN.

I CURRENTLY LIVE TEN MINUTES FROM MY HOMETOWN.

AND NOW HE'S BACK ACROSS THE RIVER ON THE JERSEY SIDE.

BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN WRAPPED UP HIS EPIC RUN SATURDAY NIGHT.

TRUE TO FORM, BRUCE BROUGHT DOWN THE HOUSE, RELIVING HIS PAST THROUGH THE SONGS THAT BECAME THE SOUNDTRACK TO SO MANY OF OUR LIVES.

THE FINAL PERFORMANCE CLOCKED IN AT JUST UNDER THREE HOURS.

TICKETS SOLD FOR THOUSANDS APIECE, WITH ONE PAIR REPORTEDLY OFFERED FOR OVER $40,000.

BRUCE HIMSELF RELEASED A STATEMENT ABOUT THE END OF HIS BROADWAY RUN SAYING, I WANT TO THANK ALL OF OUR CO-WORKERS, FRIENDS AND FAMS FOR MAKING MY YEAR ON BROADWAY ONE OF THE MOST MEMORABLE OF MY LIFE.

HE WENT ON TO ADD A SPECIAL THANKS TO MY LOVELY WIFE, PATTY, FOR LENDING HER BEAUTIFUL VOICE AND PRESENCE TO OUR WORK TOGETHER.

SHE'S BEEN A NIGHTLY INSPIRATION.

OUR CLOSING IS BITTERSWEET.

BUT MORE ADVENTURES AWAIT DOWN THE ROAD.

I'LL SEE THERE.

WITH BRUCE'S ENERGY, I'M SURE WE WILL.

THE BACKBONE OF SPRING TEEN ON BROADWAY WAS A LABOR OF LOVE AND ONE THAT CAME WITH SOME DIFFICULTY.

EVEN FOR MY ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPT, EVERYTHING WAS REWRITTEN TWO OR THREE TIMES.

YOU WRITE DOWN YOUR FIRST THOUGHTS, WHICH IS A BLUEPRINT AND SEE IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE WORKED ON.

THEN I'LL GO BACK AND GET INTO EACH VERSUS AND RECITE IT.

SO THERE WERE SECTIONS THAT KIND OF JUST CAME FLYING OUT.

THE HARDEST PART WAS THE THIRD BOOK WHERE YOU HAD TO WRITE ABOUT THE PRESENT, BECAUSE IT'S ALL THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE LIVING WITH IN YOUR LIFE TODAY.

THAT WAS THE MOST CHALLENGING PART OF THE BOOK, WRITING ABOUT STUFF THAT WAS IN THE PAST.

YOU JUST FELT LIKE YOU HAD A LOT OF FREEDOM THERE.

IF YOU MISSED BRUCE, FEAR NOT, NETFLIX RELEASED A TAPED PERFORMANCE OF THE SHOW JUST HOURS AFTER HIS FINAL CURTAIN CALL.

MY 'METROFOCUS' JACK FORD HAD A CHANCE TO CHAT WITH ROB BARNETT ABOUT SPRINGSTEEN'S LEGACY AND STARTED THE INTERVIEW BY ASKING HOW THEIR PROFESSIONAL PAST FIRST CROSSED.

IN '92 AT MTV, WE DID ONE OF THE FIRST TELEVISION DOCUMENTARIES ON BRUCE, WE CALLED IT THE 'MTV ROCKUMENTARY,' AND WE THOUGHT HOW CAN WE TELL HIS STORY.

SO YOU LOOKED AT HIS LIFE EARLY ON.

SO THIS BOOK COMES OUT.

I THOUGHT THOUGHT THERE WAS AN INTERESTING CONTRAST TO THE ON STAGE BRUCE, AND IF YOU HAVE SEEN HIS SHOW, YOU'RE BLOWN AWAY BY IT, TO THE PRIVATE BRUCE.

BECAUSE OFF STAGE, HE WAS ALWAYS SEEN AS VERY SHY AND RETIRING AND NOT FORTHCOMING AT ALL.

WHY DO YOU THINK THEN THAT HE DECIDES OVER THE PERIOD OF YEARS TO PUT TOGETHER 500 PAGES TO TELL HIS ENTIRE LIFE STORY?

IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT FORCES DROVE HIM TO DO IT.

BUT I DID HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO SOMEONE AND ASKED IF PART OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING WITH BRUCE AND THIS BAND, ESPECIALLY WITH THESE MARATHON FINAL RECORD BREAKING SHOWS THEY DID, HAD MAYBE A LITTLE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THIS IS A TOUGH YEAR FOR ROCK 'N' ROLL.

THIS IS A REALLY ROUGH MOMENT WHERE YOU AND I AND EVERYONE THAT GREW UP WITH THE CULTURAL HEROES OF THE '60s AND '70s FIND THAT WE'RE LOSING WAY TOO MANY OF THEM.

HERE'S A GUY IN THE BEST PHYSICAL CONDITION POSSIBLE GOING OUT AND GIVING IT ALL EVERY NIGHT.

THERE'S THE HERO ON STAGE, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, WE NEVER READY HEARD THE PRIVATE STORY ABOUT PRINCE OR ABOUT DAVID BOWIE.

WE FELT LIKE IT WAS THE MYSTERY, AND THEN THIS PRIVATE WORLD WE COULD NEVER ENTER.

SO IT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL, YOU KNOW, THING THAT HE DECIDED TO GIVE TO US.

FOR A BRUCE FAN WHO IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH HIS BACK STORY, WHAT DO YOU THINK MIGHT BE SOME OF THE MORE SURPRISING THINGS THEY'LL COME AWAY WITH?

THERE'S AN IDEA A LOT OF US HAVE IN OUR HEAD THAT SUCCESS GETS YOU TO A PLACE, MAYBE, WHERE IT'S SO GREAT, IT'S SO EXCITING, THE PROBLEMS KIND OF GO AWAY.

I THINK WHAT PEOPLE SEE HERE IS ONE OF THE MOST HUMAN HEROES EVER.

A GUY WHO, ON A REGULAR DAILY BASIS, HAS THE SAME ANGST, THE SAME STRUGGLES, THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT EVERYBODY ASKS.

I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS THING DRIVING IN, IN NEW JERSEY TRAFFIC THIS MORNING.

IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF SUPERMAN.

IT'S LIKE HE PUT THE CLARK KENT GLASSES ON AND SAID HERE I AM, JUST THIS REGULAR GUY WHO, ON MANY NIGHTS, IS ON STAGE AS SUPERMAN.

YOU KNOW, AND I THINK HE WANTED US TO SEE THAT SOMEHOW, AND LIKE WITH ALL OF THE SONGS, SEE IF THERE'S MAYBE A LITTLE SOMETHING WE COULD TAKE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT?

WHEN YOU GET SUCCESSFUL, YOUR PROBLEMS DON'T GO AWAY, BUT MAYBE YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO BETTER DEAL WITH IT.

I THINK IT'S INTERESTING HOW HE TALKS ABOUT HIS FATHER THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THIS BOOK.

TELL ME ABOUT HOW YOU VIEWED THAT.

I THINK HIS FATHER IS THE STAR OF THE BOOK.

YOU KNOW, HE SPEAKS ABOUT NEW JERSEY AND GROWING UP AS HIS ROSE BUD.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S HIS ROSE BUD, BUT IT'S ALSO HIS DAD.

AND HE HAD A TREMENDOUSLY DIFFICULT TIME WITH HIM, THAT ALL OF THE FANS KNEW BECAUSE HIS FATHER WAS FEATURED IN SO MANY SONGS.

BUT AS WE ALL KNOW, THE SONGS ARE NOT NECESSARILY LITERAL, THEY'RE POETRY.

SO SOMETIMES THEY HAVE AN AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL NATURE, BUT IN THIS BOOK, YOU DID GET THE SENSE THAT THIS WAS A TORTUROUS RELATIONSHIP THAT WAS NOT ONLY DIFFICULT FOR HIM, BUT ONE THAT HE WAS CONSTANTLY EXPLAINING THE NEED TO TRY TO RECTIFY.

AND THERE'S A GREAT CHAPTER IN THE BOOK ABOUT THE MOMENT WHEN, WITH VERY, VERY FEW WORDS, THEY KIND OF FIGURE OUT A WAY TO COME TO PEACE WITH IT.

AND THERE'S ALSO A DEATHBED SCENE WHICH IS TRAGIC AND WILL MAKE YOU CRY, AS IT DOES WHEN HE LOSES TWO MEMBERS OF THE E-STREET BAND, DANNY AND CLARENCE.

I THINK IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE, WE THINK OF BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN, MEGASTAR, MEGA INTERNATIONAL STAR.

BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF LONG, HARD YEARS LEADING UP TO THAT.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE A GREAT FRIEND IN STUPID SHOW BUSINESS WHO ALWAYS TALKS TO ME ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SHORT MONEY GAME AND THE LONG MONEY GAME.

AND THIS GUY SAYS, YOU'LL STAY A LITTLE BIT MORE SANE IF YOU REALIZE THAT SANE AND SUCK SHE IS -- AND SUCCESS IN SHOW BUSINESS IS A LONG MONEY GAME.

THIS IS A GUY THAT BEAT IT DOWN NIGHT AFTER NIGHT, FOUR, FIVE HOURS IN THE CLUBS ON THE JERSEY SHORE.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS STORY.

THANKS SO MUCH.

BE WELL.

> AS THE ARTS LOSE FUNDING IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS, ONE INSTITUTION OF LEARNING IN NEW YORK IS HOPING TO PRESERVE A CREATIVE NICHE FOR A SPECIAL GROUP OF YOUNG PEOPLE.

THE WILDWOOD PROGRAM ALLOWS STUDENTS WITH AUTISM AND OTHER DISABILITIES TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES CREATIVELY AND FREELY THROUGH THE ARTS.

WILDWOOD PARTNERS WITH THE ALBANY BARN, AN ART ORGANIZATION THAT TAKES THE CHILDREN'S WORKS AND REIMAGINES THEM WITH THE HELP OF PROFESSIONAL ARTISTS.

I'M ALLEY PARROT, I'M AN ART TEACHER AT WILDWOOD SCHOOL.

THIS IS MY FIRST YEAR.

THE WILDWOOD SCHOOL IS A SCHOOL FOR KIDS WITH AUTISM AND OTHER NEUROLOGICAL DISABILITIES.

WE WORK WITH A BROAD RANGE OF STUDENTS AND ABILITY LEVELS.

IT'S JUST A REALLY INCLUSIVE PLACE FOR STUDENTS WHO DON'T NECESSARILY FIT IN AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THE DISTRICTS AREN'T ABLE TO PROGRAM FOR THEM, AND THEY COME TO US, AND WE GET TO SEE THEIR POTENTIAL REALIZED.

SO TODAY WE WERE WORKING ON OUR PIECES FOR THE THIRD COLLABORATIVE ART SHOW AT THE ALBANY BARN.

HOW IT WORKS IS THE STUDENTS CREATE PIECES, THEY PICKED A MEDIUM, THEY PICKED THEIR SUBJECT.

AND THEN WE SENT WORK SAMPLES FOR THEIR ARTISTS TO BASE THEIR WORK ON.

IT'S A BUSINESS INCUBATOR AND RESIDENCY PROGRAM FOR EMERGING ARTISTS IN THE CAPITAL REGION.

WE GET SAMPLES OF THE ARTWORK FROM THE WILD WOOD SCHOOL AND THEN THE WILDWOOD ADULT ARTIST PROGRAM.

AND WHAT WE DO IS WE LOOK FOR ARTISTS WITHIN OUR NETWORK, WHOSE STYLE OR ENERGY OR COLOR PALATE TEND TO MATCH WITH SOME OF THE ARTIST'S WORK WE HAVE RECEIVED AND THEN WE TRY TO MAKE PAIRINGS BETWEEN ARTISTS AT THE BARN AND THE ARTISTS AT WILDWOOD.

SO IT'S BEEN KIND OF COOL TO SEE WHAT EACH ARTIST FROM THE BARN GRAVITATES TOWARDS IN TERMS OF FINDING THEIR INSPIRATION FOR THE FINAL PIECE AND PAIRING UP THE FINAL PIECES TO BE IN THE EXHIBITION.

IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE STUDENTS TO SO SEE THEIR ARTWORK HANGING IN A GALLERY AND HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OF THEIR FAMILIES COMING AND SEEING THEIR PIECES IN A GALLERY.

IT'S GREAT TO GET OUT AND BE A PART OF IT AND LET OUR ART COMMUNITY KNOW KIND OF WHAT OUR STUDENTS ARE MADE OF.

FOR THE ARTIST FOR THE BARN, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO STEP OUTSIDE OF KIND OF THEIR 'NORMAL' ARTWORK.

SO THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT PRODUCING SOMETHING THAT FITS INTO A SERIES OR THAT MAKES SENSE IN THEIR OVERALL PORTFOLIO OF WORK.

BUT THEY'RE REALLY DOING SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS EVENT.

IT'S ALMOST, YOU KNOW, A GIFT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT TERM.

IT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GIVING BACK TO THEIR COLLABORATOR.

IT REALLY -- THEY HAVE SUCH A SENSE OF APPRECIATION FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE WORKED WITH THEM.

I MEAN, IT'S SO FREE AND EXPRESSIVE.

IT'S MESSY AND -- WHICH IS GREAT.

WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT IS IT OKAY TO MAKE A MESS IN ART?

YES, WE JUST NEED TO CLEAN IT UP WHEN WE'RE FINISHED.

AND IT'S JUST WHO THEY ARE.

I'M LOOKING AT THEM OVER THERE.

AND IT'S JUST THE WAY THEY TALK AND THE THINGS THAT THEY LIKE IS -- COMES THROUGH SO MUCH IN THEIR ARTWORK.

THIS IS WHEN THINGS COME OUT THAT I NEVER KNEW.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT CERTAIN STUDENTS LIKE A CERTAIN COLOR OR LIKE TO DRAW BIRDS OR TREES APPARENTLY.

AND IT'S -- THEY GET A LOT OF OUT OF BEING ABLE TO COME IN AND EXPRESS THEMSELVES FREELY.

> 'METROFOCUS' IS MADE POSSIBLE BY JAMES AND MERRYL III, THE SYLVIA A. AND SIMON B.

POYTA PROGRAMMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT ANTI-SEMITISM, BERNARD AND IRENE SCHWARTZ, ROSALIND P.

WALTER, BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG AND BY -- -- Captions by VITAC --

Funders

MetroFocus is made possible by James and Merryl Tisch, Sue and Edgar Wachenheim III, the Sylvia A. and Simon B. Poyta Programming Endowment to Fight Anti-Semitism, Bernard and Irene Schwartz, Rosalind P. Walter, Barbara Hope Zuckerberg, Jody and John Arnhold, the Cheryl and Philip Milstein Family, Janet Prindle Seidler, Judy and Josh Weston and the Dr. Robert C. and Tina Sohn Foundation.

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