TONIGHT ON METROFOCUS

New York City Council Speaker Corey Johnson joins us with reaction to the abrupt resignation of MTA Chairman Joe Lhota. He also addresses pandemonium at the polls on election day and issues a call for the director of the Board of Elections to step down. American Catholic bishops are meeting  for the first time since the church was rocked with its worst sex abuse scandal in 16 years. What happened and why? Can the bishops regain the trust of the faithful? We have the latest. Meet the group making the health of veterans their number one priority.

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> TONIGHT ON 'METROFOCUS,' MTA CHIEF JOE LHOTA RESIGNS AFTER ADMITTING THE SUBWAY NEEDS VAST IMPROVEMENT.

SPEAKER COREY JOHNSON IS HERE WITH THE SHOCKING NEWS.

AND AFTER THE MASSIVE TURNOUT THAT SPARKED PANDEMONIUM AT THE POLLS, THE SPEAKER CALLS FOR THE MAN IN CHARGE TO STEP DOWN.

HE'LL EXPLAIN.

THEN AMERICAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS MEET THIS WEEK FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE CHURCH WAS ROCKED WITH ITS WORST SEX SCANDALS IN 16 YEARS.

WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED?

WHY DID IT HAPPEN?

AND CAN THE BISHOPS REGAIN THE TRUST OF THE FAITHFUL?

WE'LL HAVE THE LATEST.

PLUS MEET THE GROUP MAKING VETERANS HEALTH THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE AS 'METROFOCUS' STARTS RIGHT NOW.

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THIS IS 'METROFOCUS' WITH RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK PICKFORD, AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

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I'M JENNA FLANAGAN.

TWO OF NEW YORK'S MOST POWERFUL LEGISLATORS ARE DEMANDING A COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF THE CITY'S ELECTION SYSTEM.

IN A DAMNING OPINION PIECE IN THE NEW YORK POST, NEW YORK CITY COUNCIL SPEAKER COREY JOHNSON AND MAYOR BILL De BLASIO ARE CALLING FOR EXTENSIVE REFORMS AFTER BROKEN MACHINES, A SHORTAGE OF VOTING BOOTHS, AND HOURS-LONG LINES LED TO HUNDREDS OF COMPLAINTS POURING INTO THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.

SPEAKER COREY JOHNSON WENT ONE STEP FURTHER IN HIS DEMANDS, STATING THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS WHO OVER SEES THE VOTE SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

SO, I'M PLEASED TO WELCOME SPEAKER COREY JOHNSON BACK TO THE PROGRAM.

COREY, IT'S SO GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, I THINK ELECTION DAY WAS SUMMED UP IN A REALLY GREAT NEW YORKER CARTOON WHERE WE SEE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE STANDING AROUND AND ONE SAID, MY GOD, CAN THE MTA GET ANY WORSE?

AND THE OTHER PERSON SAID, THIS IS A POLLING PLACE.

[ LAUGHTER ]

THAT'S A GOOD CAR TEEN.

THAT'S A GREAT CARTOON.

I THOUGHT IT WAS ON POINT.

WHAT WERE THE PROBLEMS YOU WERE SEEING?

I WAS FOLLOWING YOU ON TWITTER AND YOU WERE REAL TIME EXPLAINED A LOT OF PROBLEMS WE WERE SEEING ON ELECTION DAY.

I WENT AND VOTED AT MY POLLING PLACE THE LGBT CENTER AT 11:00 IN THE MORNING WHICH IS A SLOW TIME.

AFTER THE MORNING RUSH AND BEFORE THE EVENING RUSH, GET IN AND OUT.

WHEN I ARRIVED, THERE WERE LINES OUT THE DOOR.

THERE WERE FOUR SCANNING MACHINES, THREE OF THEM WERE BROKEN DOWN.

PEOPLE WERE BEING INSTRUCTED TO GO OUTSIDE WITH THEIR BALLOTS, THEIR BALLOTS WOULD THEN GET WET.

THEN THEY'D COME IN, PUT THEM IN THE MACHINE AND IT WOULD JAMB THE MACHINE.

THIS WAS HAPPENING IN ALL FIVE BOROUGHS.

IF WAS HAPPENING AT HUNDREDS OF POLLING SITES ACROSS THE CITY.

WHEN THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS WAS ASKED ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS ON ELECTION DAY, HE SAID WE HAD HEAVY TURNOUT AND IT RAINED.

WE DID THE BEST WE COULD.

WHICH IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER, GIVEN WHAT WE SAW ON ELECTION DAY.

SO WE NEED A BUNCH OF THINGS.

WE NEED A STATE LEGISLATURE WHICH I'M HOPEFUL THEY'LL DO.

WE NEED TO ADOPT EARLY VOTING, NO EXCUSE ABSENTEE VOTING.

SAME DAY REGISTRATION.

ALL THESE THINGS THAT MAKE IT EASIER TO VOTE AND WE'LL HOPEFULLY NOT HAVE AS BIG A CRUSH OF VOTERS ON ELECTION DAY ITSELF BUT CAN VOTE LEADING UP TO IT.

WE NEED TO PROFESSIONAL OOISZ THE STAFF ON THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS.

THERE IS A PROPOSAL IN ALBANY TO HAVE THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR APPOINTED AND HIRED IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER AND HAVE HIRING AND FIRING AUTHORITY ON THEIR OWN WHICH DOESN'T EXIST.

THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE NEED.

WHAT HAPPENED ON TUESDAY ELECTION DAY WAS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

NEW YORKERS FELT THAT WAY AND IT'S TIME FOR RADICAL CHANGE.

IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE -- BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, OF COURSE, WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE ALBANY LEVEL.

IS THIS SOMETHING WITH THE NEW STATE LEGISLATURE WE'RE GOING TO SEE GETTING SWORN IN IN JANUARY?

DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT IF ALL IF NOT MOST OF THESE CHANGES CAN HAPPEN?

I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT.

YOU KNOW, THE VOTING REFORM STUFF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, NO EXCUSE ABSENTEE, SAME DAY REGISTRATION, THESE ARE POPULAR AND IT'S NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE.

THIS IS ABOUT MAKING VOTING EASIER FOR EVERYONE, NOT ONE POLITICAL PARTY.

SO, IN THE EARLY CONVERSATIONS SINCE THE RESULTS CAME IN LAST WEEK, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THERE BEING PRETTY BROAD CONSENSUS ON ADOPTING THESE THINGS.

THE GOVERNOR SUPPORTS IT.

THE ASSEMBLY HAS PASSED THESE BILLS IN PREVIOUS LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS.

AND THE NEW DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY IN THE STATE SENATE SUPPORTS IT.

SO I THINK WE'LL SEE ACTION ON IT THIS UPCOMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, IN THIS DAMNING OP-ED THAT APPEARED IN THE NEW YORK POST, WHY WAS IT SO IMPORTANT THAT THE HEAD OF THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS STEP DOWN TO YOU?

WELL, ELECTION DAY SADLY HAS TURNED INTO GROUNDHOG DAY IN NEW YORK CITY.

EVERY SINGLE ELECTION DAY, WHETHER IT BE THE JUNE CONGRESSIONAL PRIMARIES, OR THE SEPTEMBER PRIMARIES OR THE NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTION, YOU SEE THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

YOU SEE BROKEN MACHINES, LONG LINES, AND INCOMPETENCE AT POLLING SITES ACROSS THE CITY.

SO, I THOUGHT THAT ON ELECTION DAY, WHEN THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR SAID THAT THE REASON WHY WE'RE HAVING THESE PROBLEMS IS BECAUSE OF HEAVY TURNOUT AND RAIN, TO ME THAT SHOWED A TOTAL TIN EAR ON THE PROBLEMS THAT NEW YORKERS ARE FACING, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT IT'S TIME FOR US TO HAVE NEW LEADERSHIP THERE.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IN YOUR OPINION PIECE, YOU MENTION THAT THE CITY OFFERED $20 MILLION IN NEW FUNDING TO HELP BOOSTER -- BOLSTER, EXCUSE ME, FOR OUTREACH, BUT THE BOARD REFUSED THE MONEY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHY THAT HAPPENED?

WELL, THE MAYOR PUT AN OFFER ON THE TABLE TWO YEARS AGO TO THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS SAYING, WE'LL GIVE YOU AN ADDITIONAL $20 MILLION IF YOU AGREE TO CERTAIN REFORMS.

IF YOU AGREE TO HAVE MORE TRANSLATORS AT POLLING SITES, IF YOU AGREE TO A VARIETY OF OTHER MEASURES TO MAKE IT EASIER TO VOTE, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT PREPARATION AND PLANNING WAS DONE PROPERLY.

THEY TURNED THAT DOWN, WHICH NOW IN HINDSIGHT SHOWS WHAT A MISTAKE IT WAS, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED SOME RADICAL REFORM.

STRUCTURALLY THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS NEEDS TO CHANGE, AND THERE ARE BILLS IN ALBANY TO ADDRESS THAT, WHICH I AM HOPEFUL WILL GET A HEARING AND HOPEFULLY PASS THIS UPCOMING SESSION.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER SOLUTIONS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING OR THAT YOU CAN SEE WILL HELP ALLEVIATE THE STRESS WE SAW ON NEW YORKERS AS YOU SAID ALL FIVE BOROUGH?

MOST STATES IN THE COUNTRY AS WE SAW IN THE LEAD UP TO MIDTERM ELECTIONS HAD VOTING A WEEK BEFORE THE ELECTION DAY ITSELF.

POLLING SITES WERE OPEN ON WEEK NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS SO FOLKS CAN ACTUALLY GO AND VOTE EARLY.

IF WE HAD THAT IN NEW YORK CITY, THE ISSUES ON ELECTION DAY, I THINK, WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN WHAT WE SAW BECAUSE THERE WOULDN'T BE AS MANY PEOPLE COMING ON ELECTION DAY ITSELF.

PEOPLE WOULD BE VOTING AHEAD OF TIME.

I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST, BIGGEST THINGS WE CAN DO.

WE SHOULD HAVE NO EXECUTE ABSENTEE VOTING, SAME-DAY REGISTRATION.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT WILL MAKE IT EASIER ALL AROUND.

IT IS HARD WHEN YOU SEE HIGH TURNOUT.

WE WANT HIGH TURNOUT FOR THESE POLLING SITES TO HANDLE ALL OF THE REGISTERED VOTERS ON ONE SINGLE DAY, WHICH IS WHY WE NEED TO GIVE MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE, NOT JUST ON THAT ONE DAY.

NOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN NOVEMBER OF 2018 AND, OF COURSE, WE ALL KNOW THERE IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER HUGE ELECTION IN 2020, PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

AND SO MY QUESTION IS DO YOU THINK THESE ARE THE KIND OF REFORMS AND CHANGES THAT CAN BE MADE IN TIME?

AND IF THEY'RE NOT, WOULD IT DETER PEOPLE FROM GOING TO THE POLLS?

I HOPE IT DOESN'T DETER PEOPLE BECAUSE WE WANT EVERYONE TO VOTE.

WE WANT EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO IS ELIGIBLE, WHO IS REGISTERED, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S EASY TO VOTE.

BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME LOCAL ELECTIONS IN 2019 IN NEW YORK CITY.

SO, IF THE STATE LEGISLATURE ADOPTED SOME OF THESE REFORMS, WE WOULD HAVE BASICALLY A TEST RUN.

WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IN 2019 TO SEE WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT'S NOT WORKING, HOW IT'S IMPLEMENTED, AND THERE WILL BE ENOUGH TIME AND PREPARATION FOR THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY IN NEW YORK, THE 2020 REGULAR PRIMARIES THAT HAPPEN, AND THE NOVEMBER PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY AND GENERAL ELECTION.

SO THERE WILL BE MANY OPPORTUNITIES BEFORE THAT NOVEMBER ELECTION TWO YEARS FROM NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING IT RIGHT.

NOW, OF COURSE, I STARTED OUR INTERVIEW WITH A SORT OF JOKE COMPARING THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS TO THE MTA, BUT I DO WANT TO TURN TO THE MTA BEFORE I LET YOU GO.

WE JUST SAW THE MTA CHAIRMAN JOE LHOTA STEP DOWN.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON HIS DECISION, THE TIMING AND WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THE DEPARTMENT?

JOE LHOTA, I THINK, HAS SERVED THE CITY WELL.

HE DID A VERY GOOD JOB AFTER SANDY HIT IN GETTING THE MTA UP AND RUNNING IN A RECORD AMOUNT OF TIME AFTER A HORRIFIC STORM THAT KILLED MANY NEW YORKERS AND THAT SHUT THE CITY DOWN FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

AND WHEN THE GOVERNOR ASKED HIM TO COME BACK, I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF HOPE, AND THE MTA WAS EXPERIENCING A CRISIS WHICH WE'RE STILL SEEING.

I THINK ONE OF THE BEST DECISIONS THAT JOE LHOTA MADE WAS HIRING ANDY BIFORD, THE NEW PRESIDENT OF NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT WHO PUT FORWARD THE FAST FORWARD PLAN TO SAVE AND RESCUE THE MTA THE NEXT TEN YEARS.

I'M GRATEFUL FOR JOE LHOTA'S SERVICE.

AND I'M HOPEFUL BECAUSE HE DECIDED TO HIRE SOMEONE THE CALIBER OF ANDY BIFORD WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING TO BUILD ON AND IT WILL BE A BIG ISSUE COMING UP IN ALBANY.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE NEW LEGISLATURE IS SWORN IN IN JANUARY.

COREY JOHNSON, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US ON THE PROGRAM.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

THESE ARE DARK DAYS FOR THE AMERICAN ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.

16 YEARS AFTER A SEX ABUSE SCANDAL ROCKED THE BOSTON ARCH DIOCESE AND THE COUNTRY, THE AMERICAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS ONCE AGAIN IN CRISIS, THIS TIME NOT SO MUCH BECAUSE OF REPREHENSIBLE ACTS COMMITTED BY PRIESTS IN THE RECTORY, BUT RATHER BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF POWERFUL BISHOPS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHO HAVE ENABLED SECTXUAL MISCONDUCT ANDN SOME CASES COMMITTED IT THEMSELVES.

ACCORDING TO THE BOSTON GLOBE AND PHILADELPHIA ENQUIRER, MORE THAN 130 BISHOPS HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF HAVING ADEQUATELY TO RESPOND TO SEXUAL MISCONDUCT IN THEIR DIOCESE AND AT LEAST 15 BISHOPS ARE ACCUSE THE OF OF COMMITTING SUCH ACTS.

THE ARCHBISHOP OP OF WASHINGTON, D.C. WHO RESIGNED FROM CARDINALS IN JULY, FOLLOWED AN INVESTIGATION CONCLUDED HE CREDIBLY ABUSED AN ALTAR BOY AT SAINT PATRICK'S CATHEDRAL IN THE EARLY '70s.

HOW DID IT ALL COME TO THIS?

HOW FAR YOU UP DOES THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THESE CRIMES GO AND WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THIS COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD?

JOINING US NOW TO TALK ABOUT ALL THAT IS DAVID GIBSON, LONG-TIME VATICAN CORRESPONDENT AND THE DIRECTOR OF THE PICKFORD HAM CENTER ON RELIGION AND CULTURE.

DAVID, THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY.

GREAT TO BE HERE, THANKS.

DAVID, HOW DID IT COME TO THIS?

REALLY THIS IS SOMETHING YOU COULD HAVE FORESEEN BACK IN 2002, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THE WHOLE BOSTON GLOBE SPOTLIGHT INVESTIGATION AND THE BISHOPS WENT DOWN TO THEIR MEETING IN DALLAS IN 2002 TO ADDRESS THIS SCANDAL.

AND I WAS THERE, WE WERE ALL THERE COVERING IT.

AND THEY, THEY ADDRESSED IT QUITE EFFECTIVELY IN TERMS OF THE PRIESTS, THE LOW-HANGING FRUIT, THE STOPPING -- YOU KNOW, THEY FORMULATED POLICIES, A CHARTER, TO -- OF ZERO TOLERANCE TO GET ANY PRIEST WHO ABUSED ANY MINOR OUT OF THE PRIESTHOOD.

WHEN WE WERE DOWN THERE, WE SAID, WHAT ABOUT YOU BISHOPS?

WHAT IF YOU'RE ACCUSED, WHAT IF YOU OVERSEE AND COVER UP AND MOVE THE PREDATOR AROUND WHICH IS THE REAL SCANDAL?

THEY EXEMPTED THEMSELVES.

THIS IS A TICKING TIME BOMB.

HOW DID THEY GET AWAY WITH EXCEPTING THEMSELVES?

WAS ANYBODY PAYING ATTENTION, WAS THE VATICAN PAYING ATTENTION?

I WAS DOWN THERE.

I TALKED TO A BISHOP I KNOW WELL.

I SAID, LOOK, YOU'RE EXEMPTING YOURSELVES FROM THESE OVERSIGHT -- THIS ACCOUNTABILITY.

IT'S ACCOUNTABILITY.

AND HE SAID TO ME, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FIRE A BISHOP.

EACH BISHOP IS UNDER THEMSELVES ANSWERABLE ONLY TO THE POPE.

THE POPE BACK THEN, JOHN PAUL II, NOW A SAINT, AND HIS SUCCESSOR BENNEDICT XVI, WERE NOT INTO FIRING BISHOPS.

THIS NEW WAVE OF SCANDAL BEGAN BACK IN JUNE, AS WE KNOW, WHEN THE NEW YORK DIOCESE INTRODUCTION RELEASED THE CONCLUSIONS OF A REPORT THAT SAID THAT McCARRICK, SOMEBODY WE BOTH KNEW, HAD CREDIBLY ABUSED AN ALTAR BOY BACK IN THE EARLY '70s.

SINCE THEN IT HAS COME TO LIGHT THAT ALLEGEDLY HE ALSO ABUSED A BOY WHO HAPPENED TO BE THE FIRST BABY HE EVER BAPTIZED.

HORRIBLE.

AND THEN IT CAME TO LIGHT FOR YEARS HE HAD BEEN HARASSING MORE DEC SIMENARIANS.

HOW DOES SOMEONE LIKE THAT RISE UP IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH?

IT'S REALLY AN IRONIC TRIBUTE TO McCARRICK'S POLITICAL ABILITIES TO OPERATE WITHIN THE HIERARCHY, AND ALSO FUNDAMENTALLY HIS ABILITY TO RAISE MONEY UNDER THE PAPACY OF JOHN PAUL II IN THE 1990s AND THE EARLY 2000s.

HE FOUNDED THE PAPAL FOUNDATION, WHICH RAISED MILLIONS, TENS OF MILLIONS FOR THE VATICAN.

HE WAS ABLE TO BRING FUNDS OVER TO THE VATICAN.

MONEY TALKS OR TALKED OVER THERE.

REALLY?

YEAH.

IT WASN'T ABOUT SEX, IT WASN'T ABOUT SOME GAY KABAL COVERING UP FOR EACH OTHER. IT WAS REALLY ABOUT THE INFLUENCE OF MONEY AND HE WAS ABLE TO STAY IN --

AND THEY WERE WILLING TO VEER THEIR EYES FROM --

HE RAISED A LOT OF MONEY FOR POLAND, WHICH NEEDED -- THE POLISH CHURCH AT THE TIME.

HE HAD POWERFUL FRIENDS.

THERE WERE RUMORS ABOUT McCARRICK, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING -- NOBODY, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE NO SETTLEMENTS AT THE TIME, NO VICTIMS CAME FORWARD PUBLICLY.

SO HIS FRIENDS COULD HAVE PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY AND SAY WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FIRM.

THEY CLOSED THEIR EYES TO IT WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED SO OFTEN.

SO HE WAS ABLE TO WORK THE SYSTEM, GOT APPOINTED FROM ARCHBISHOP OP OF NEWARK, NEW JERSEY, WHERE WE KNEW HIM, DOWN TO CARDINAL ARCHBISHOP OP OF WASHINGTON, D.C. --

MOST POWERFUL POSITIONS IN THE COUNTRY.

FORMER AMERICAN ANUNCIO, IN AUGUST WROTE THIS LETTER SAYING HE PERSONALLY INFORMED POPE FRANCIS THAT BENNEDICT XVI HAD SIDELINED McCARRICK BECAUSE OF HIS ACTIVITIES, THE THINGS THAT HE HAD BEEN DOING.

AND THEN VIGANO SAID, NEVERTHELESS, POPE FRANCIS NOT ONLY BROUGHT HIM BACK INTO THE FOLD, BUT MADE HIM MORE POWERFUL, ACCEPTING HIS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CARDINALS IN THE UNITED STATES.

NOW, A LOT OF THE POPE'S ALLIES HAVE PERSONALLY ATTACKED VIGANO.

SO FAR, I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM CONTRADICT HIS CLAIMS, AND IN FACT, INDIRECTLY, THEY HAVE CONFIRMED THEM.

SO IF IT'S TRUE, WHY DID THE POPE DO THIS WITH McCARRICK?

AND IF IT'S NOT TRUE, WHY DOESN'T THE POPE COME OUT AND PROVE HE DID NOT DO THIS?

IT'S DIFFICULT.

I THINK THE POPE DOESN'T WANT TO GET DOWN INTO THE MUD WITH A GUY LIKE McCARRICK -- A GUY LIKE VIGANO WHO HAS A PROBLEMATIC PAST.

HE COVERED UP FOR BISHOPS IN THE UNITED STATES.

HE'S A CONSERVATIVE CULTURE WARRIOR.

THE POPE HAD TO FIRE HIM EVENTUALLY.

HE SET UP THE CONTROVERSIAL MEETING WITH KIM DAVIS.

ALL THAT ASIDE, THIS YOU HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

BUT THE CLAIMS, THE CLAIMS ARE NOT CONTRADICTED.

WELL, I THINK -- IT'S A COMPLICATED THING.

I DON'T THINK THE POSSIBLE REHABILITATED McCARRICK IN ANY WAY.

ACTUALLY, AN ARTICLE YOU WROTE IN 2014 IS OFTEN CITED TO SHOW THAT HE DID, RIGHT?

McCARRICK, BECAUSE IT'S A COMPLICATED THING.

McCARRICK, HE WAS RETIRED AT THE TIME AND HE WAS KIND OF A GLOBAL DIPLOMAT FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE IN WASHINGTON, FOR CATHOLIC RELIEF SERVICES.

SO UNDER FRANCIS WHO WAS MUCH MORE INTERESTED IN GLOBAL DIPLOMACY, HE WOULD CHECK IN WITH THE VATICAN AND THE VATICAN WOULD SAY, SURE, GO TO CHINA, HELP NEGOTIATE A HOSTAGE RELEASE IN IRAN, THINGS LIKE THAT.

McCARRICK HAD A GREAT INTERNATIONAL PROFILE.

SO HE DID HAVE A RENEWED KIND OF VISIBILITY.

BUT HOW MUCH FRANCIS KNEW ABOUT HIM AND ACTUALLY WHAT BENNEDICT SAID, BENNEDICT'S OWN PEOPLE -- POPE BENNEDICT'S PEOPLE SAID WE DIDN'T ISSUE ANY SANCTION.

THEY SIDELINED HIM.

BUT THE FACT THAT A GUY LIKE McCARRICK COULD CONTINUE TO OPERATE UNTIL -- AND AGAIN, THIS IS KEY -- UNTIL THE ACCUSATION THAT McCARRICK HAD ABUSED A MINOR CAME OUT.

AND THEN POPE FRANCIS ACTED, STRIPPED HIM OF HIS CARDINAL'S HAT.

IT WAS ALL THE ALLEGATIONS ABOUT HIS ACTIVITY, ABUSE -- ABUSE OF SEMINARIANS THAT WENT UNADDRESSED.

WE'RE OUT OF TIME.

LET ME GET TO THE SECOND SHOE TO DROP ON McCARRICK, WAS THE REPORT OF THE PENNSYLVANIA ATTORNEY GENERAL WHICH WAS DEVASTATING, YOU KNOW.

THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN WERE ABUSED BY HUNDREDS OF PRIESTS OVER DECADES, AND NOW MORE THAN A DOZEN STATES ARE BEGINNING TO OPEN INVESTIGATIONS AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN WASHINGTON LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO OPEN A NATIONWIDE INVESTIGATION.

IF ALL THIS HAPPENS, WHAT WILL BE THE EFFECT?

THEY COULD BE, AGAIN, DEVASTATING.

AT THIS POINT PEOPLE BELIEVE -- THE RESERVOIR OF CREDIBILITY FOR THE BISHOPS IS SO LOW THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BELIEVE THE WORST, WHATEVER COMES OUT.

THE PENNSYLVANIA GRAND JURY REPORT, THIS IS LIKE A PERFECT STORM.

WE HAD THE McCARRICK EPISODE WHICH WE SPOKE ABOUT.

YOU HAVE THE VIGANO LETTER THAT RAISES INTRIGUE IN THE VATICAN WHO KNEW WHAT WAY UP THE LADDER.

AND THE GRAND JURY REPORT DETAILING STUFFER THAT HAPPENED DECADES AGO, BUT FOR AMERICAN CATHOLICS IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A NIGHTMARE THAT NEVER I UNDERSTAND.

SO, THIS IS PENNSYLVANIA.

WHAT IF YOU GET AN ATTORNEY GENERAL IN MASSACHUSETTS AND NEW JERSEY AND MICHIGAN AND NEW YORK --

13 STATES.

DOING THIS KIND OF THING COMING OUT.

IT'S GOING TO BE A DRIP, DRIP, DRIP KIND OF 1KSCANDAL.

THAT'S WHY POPE FRANCIS, HE DIDN'T CREATE THE SCANDAL BUT HE'S THE POPE AND HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN FINALLY ADDRESS IT.

ALL RIGHT, DAVID, IT'S A BIG TOPIC, A LOT OF STUFF WE DIDN'T GET TO TOUCH.

WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.

THANKS SO MUCH.

THANK YOU.

AS WE CONTINUE OUR POST 9/11 VETERAN SERIES, 'FRONTLINE TO HOME FRONT,' WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT VETERANS HEALTH CARE.

PROVIDING IT IS ONE WAY AMERICANS PAY THEIR DEBT TO THOSE WHO SERVE.

PERHAPS THAT'S WHY STEVEN A.

COHEN WHOSE SON IS IN THE SERVICE DONATED HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO LAUNCH AND SUSTAIN A NATIONWIDE NETWORK OF MILITARY FAMILY CLINICS.

THE GOAL, QUOTE, TO CARE FOR THE VETERAN, THE SPOUSE, AND THE CHILDREN.

BUT WHAT IS THIS NETWORK OFFERING THAT THE VETERANS AFFAIRS HOSPITALS SYSTEM DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR ITS ALMOST 9 MILLION PATIENTS?

THE ANSWER MAY SURPRISE YOU.

RECENTLY RETIRED AIR FORCE COLONEL TRACY KNNEIL WALTON JOI US ALONG WITH HER COLLEAGUE WHO IS THE CLINIC DIRECTOR AT THE STEVEN A. COHEN MILITARY FAMILY CLINIC AT NYU LANGONE.

GREAT TO HAVE YOU.

THANK YOU.

LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW IT GOT STARTED.

HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?

HERE OUR CLINIC GOT ESTABLISHED IN JULY 2012 BECAUSE WE REALLY SAW THE GAP IN SERVICES THAT EXISTED FOR OUR MILITARY FAMILIES AND ALSO A LOT OF VETERANS AS WELL.

AND THEN A COUPLE YEARS LATER, STEVE COHEN JOINED FORCES AND CAME ON BOARD AND REALLY PROVIDED REALLY GENEROUS SUPPORT, CREATED COHEN VETERANS NETWORK AS A WHOLE, AND NOW REALLY LAUNCHED INTO OPENING A NUMBER OF CLINICS, UP TO 25 ACROSS THE NATION.

WE WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT GIVEN ALL THAT THE VETERANS HAVE DONE FOR US AND ALL THE SERVICE THEY HAVE PROVIDED, THAT THEY WOULD COME BACK HERE AND WHATEVER THEY NEEDED WOULD BE THERE.

YES, THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED.

AND WE WORK IN COLLABORATION WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AND THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION TO REALLY COMPLEMENT THE SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE, AND PROVIDE SERVICES TO THOSE WHO OTHERWISE WOULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE FOR CARE.

WE SEE VETERANS REGARDLESS OF DISCHARGE STATUS.

SO THERE ARE SOME VETERANS AND FAMILY MEMBERS WHO, THEY MAY NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR CARE AT THE VA, BUT THEY STILL HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH NEED --

WHY WOULD THAT BE?

WHY WOULD THEY POSSIBLY NOT BE ELIGIBLE?

IT MAY BE BASED ON THE TYPE OF DISCHARGE THAT THEY HAD, OR IF THEY DON'T HAVE A VA DISABILITY, THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE FOR CARE.

SO THERE MIGHT NOT BE AN IDENTIFIABLE DISABILITY THERE --

YES.

-- A LABEL PUT ON THEM?

YES.

BUT THEY STILL NEED SOME HELP?

YES.

AND THAT'S VERY COMMON.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT THINGS SUCH AS DEPRESSION AND POSTTRAUMATIC STRESS, THOSE SYMPTOMS OFTEN DON'T APPEAR EARLY ON.

WHAT ABOUT THE FAMILY ASPECT OF THIS?

TALK ABOUT THAT.

THE FREQUENT SEPARATIONS AND COMING TOGETHER, THAT'S A HUGE STRESSOR BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO REBUILD FAMILY RULES AND REINTEGRATE YOURSELF INTO THE FAMILY, FIND THAT CONNECTION AGAIN WITH THE CHILDREN WHO MIGHT BE ALREADY ONE YEAR OLDER, AFTER HAVING MISSED SEVERAL IMPORTANT KIND OF MILESTONES IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT, ANNIVERSARIES AND SO ON.

THAT'S A REALLY HARD ADJUSTMENT ON THE VETERAN, BUT ALSO ON THE RELATIONSHIP, LET'S SAY, WITH THE SPOUSE, BUT ALSO KIDS THEMSELVES.

AND WOULD THOSE ISSUES NOT NECESSARILY BE HANDLED WITHIN THE VA HOSPITAL SYSTEM?

WITHIN THE VA HOSPITAL SYSTEM, THEY'RE THERE TO SERVE THE VETERAN, NOT THE FAMILY.

AND SO WE ACTUALLY PRIDE OURSELVES IN PROVIDING ADDITIONAL SERVICES FOR THE FAMILIES, INCLUDING FAMILY THERAPY, COUPLES THERAPY, AS WELL AS THERAPY FOR CHILDREN WHO MAY BE HAVING DIFFICULTY.

TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT TRANSITION IN THE MILITARY.

YOU AND I WERE TALKING A FEW MOMENTS AGO.

YOU RETIRED ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

YES.

BUT YOUR TRANSITION, YOU SAID TO ME, WAS FAIRLY SMOOTH BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING THINGS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WERE DOING BEFORE.

YES.

YOU WOULD THINK -- AGAIN, IF YOU HADN'T SERVED IN THE MILITARY, THAT THE NOTION OF TRANSITION WOULD BE, OH, THIS IS GREAT, BUT NOT ALWAYS THE CASE?

THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT A VETERAN NOW HAS TO TAKE CARE OF COMPLETELY FOR THEM SELF WITHOUT THAT ADDITIONAL SUPPORT.

WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MILITARY, IT'S LIKE AN ADDITIONAL FAMILY AND THEY HELP YOU GET SETTLED WHEN YOU MOVE TO A NEW STATE, HELPING YOU FIND A PLACE TO LIVE.

THE SPOUSES WILL CONNECT AND GET TOGETHER.

THEY'LL HELP YOUR SPOUSE FIND A JOB.

THE KIDS HAVE AUTOMATIC FAMILIES.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU MOVE TO A NEW CITY AND YOU'RE NO LONGER IN THAT MILITARY ENVIRONMENT, YOU HAVE TO NAVIGATE THAT ALL BY YOURSELF.

AND IT CAN BE VERY CHALLENGING.

AS A PSYCHOLOGIST, MY CAREER WAS ABLE TO TRANSLATE PRETTY SMOOTHLY AND I HAD AN EXCELLENT TRANSITION INTO THIS POSITION WHERE I'M ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE.

BUT FOR MANY OF MY, YOU KNOW, COUNTERPARTS IN THE MILITARY WHO DO A DIFFERENT JOB, IT MAY BE FAR MORE CHALLENGING.

SO, IF FOLKS WHO ARE WATCHING AND LISTENING TO OUR CONVERSATION TODAY ARE SAYING TO THEMSELVES, THEY FIND THEMSELVES IN THE SAME SITUATION OR FAMILY MEMBERS OR FRIENDS, AND THEIR QUESTION IS, WELL, HOW DO I GET TO YOU ALL?

THEY CAN GO TO COHEN VETERANS.ORG.

IT'S A WEBSITE WITH A LIST OF CLINICS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE OPEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

AND THE SERVICES WE'LL PROVIDE ARE REALLY A WIDE RANGE OF MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES: IT'S INDIVIDUAL THERAPY.

IT'S GOING TO BE AS TRACY SAID, COUPLES AND FAMILY THERAPY, PSYCHIATRIC MEDICATION MANAGEMENT IF THAT'S THE NEED AS WELL.

AND IN ADDITION, WE OFTEN TELEHEALTH.

ONE OF THE THINGS IRENE DIDN'T MENTION.

TELEHEALTH PROVIDES QUALITY CARE, BUT IT ALLOWS FLEXIBILITY FOR OUR CLIENTS.

SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH TRAFFIC.

I HAD A CLIENT WHO WAS TAKING VACATION TIME IN ORDER TO COME IN TO SEE ME.

AND ONCE I FOUND THAT OUT, WE STARTED DOING TELEHEALTH SO THAT HE COULD USE HIS VACATION FOR VACATION, BUT STILL TAKE CARE OF HIMSELF.

IT'S SUCH IMPORTANT WORK, AND WE ARE ALSO THANK TO ALL OF YOU DOING IT, FOR THE COHEN FAMILY FOR PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER.

WE HOPE WE CAN GET THE WORD OUT THERE SO THAT FOLKS WHO NOT ONLY PERHAPS NEED THE ASSISTANCE, BUT DESERVE IT WILL GET IT ALL.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE WORK YOU'RE DOING, FOR SPENDING SOME TIME WITH US.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

BE WELL.

AND FOR INFORMATION ON VETERANS HEALTH CARE, MAKE SURE YOU VISIT US AT METROFOCUS.ORG.

'METROFOCUS' IS MADE POSSIBLE BY JAMES AND MERRILL TISCH, SUE AND EDGAR WALK ENHEIM III, THE SYLVIA A AND SIMON B. POYDA PROGRAMMING ENDOWMENT TO FIGHT ANTI-SEMITISM.

BERNARD AND IRENE SCHWARZ.

ROSALIND P. WALTER.

BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG.

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