“EL CHAPO” TRIAL

November 03, 2018 at 5:00 am

On Monday, the trial against Mexican drug lord and notorious jail breaker, Joaquín Guzmán Loera, who is known as El Chapo, begins. We’ve got your preview.

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Aired on November 2, 2018. 

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EL CHAPO.
IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE HEARD THE
ENTIRE STORY ABOUT THE NOTORIOUS
DRUG LORD, CHANCES ARE YOU
HAVEN'T.
BUT VICE NEWS HAS THE
INFORMATION YOU HAVEN'T HEARD IN
THE COURTROOM OR SEEN IN THE
HEADLINES.
THEY HAVE PARTNERED WITH SPOTIFY
IN ON NEW PODCAST CHAPO.
GUZMAN'S INTERVIEWS UNFETTERED
WITH SOME RISKS LIVES TO TELL
THE STORY.
IT'S HOSTED BY KEEGAN HOWARD WHO
WILL BE ONLY ONE OF FIVE
REPORTERS ALLOWED IN THE
COURTROOM FOR THE JURY SELECTION
PART OF THE TRIAL.
IT BEGINS ON NOVEMBER 5th.
WE ARE PLEASED TO WELCOME YOU.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> WHY IS THIS STORY -- YOU'RE A
JOURNALIST, HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG
TIME HAVE DONE A LOT OF
DIFFERENT THINGS.
WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS STORY THAT
MAKES IT SO COMPELLING AND
INTERESTING?
>> WELL, CHAPO HAS BEEN ON THE
SCENES FOR THREE DECADES NOW, 30
PLUS YEARS.
AND IT'S JUST BEEN ONE THING
AFTER ANOTHER THAT BUILDS HIS
LEGEND.
PRISON ESCAPES, MEETINGS WITH
SEAN PENN BE KIKO CASTILLO.
BUT HE HAS A KNACK FOR DOING IT
BIGGER AND MORE SENSATIONAL THAN
EVERYBODY ELSE.
>> WE TALK ABOUT BIGGER AND
BETTER BUT CHAPO MEANS SHORTY.
YOU EXPECT AM TOWERING PRESENCE,
BUT YOU GET A LITTLE GUY WHO'S
ABLE TO GET OUT OF PRISONS IN
HOLES IN HIS PRISON CELL.
GIVE ME JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND
ON HIM, PERSONALLY.
>> YOU'RE REFERENCING HIS
PERHAPS MOST NOTORIOUS ESCAPE IN
WHICH HE ESCAPED THROUGH A MILE
LONG TUNNEL.
HE HAD A WHOLE THAT CAME UP INTO
THE FLOOR OF HIS PRISON CELL AND
DUCKED OUT THROUGH THAT.
HAD A MOTOR CYCLE IN THE TUNNEL
HE RODE OUT.
IT'S SPECTACULAR THINGS LIKE
THAT THAT IF HOLLYWOOD SCRIPTED
IT YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT BUT
IT HAPPENED WITH HIM.
>> WHY IS THIS TRIAL TAKING
PLACE IN THE UNITED STATES AND
IN BROOKLYN.
>> FOR THE UNITED STATES' PART,
CHAPO HAD BEEN DETAIN IN THE
MEXICO AND HAD BEEN INTENDED TO
BE BROUGHT TO TRIAL IN MEXICO.
HIS SECOND ESCAPE IT CAN ONE WE
JUST TALKED ABOUT THROUGH THE
TUNNEL, I THINK MADE THE MEXICAN
GOVERNMENT REALIZE IN ORDER TO
BRING THIS PERSON TO JUSTICE HE
HAS TO GO TO A DIFFERENT LEGAL
SYSTEM.
AS FOR WHY BROOKLYN, HE HAD
SEVEN INDICTMENTS IN COURTS
THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
BROOKLYN HAD A COMBINATION OF
FACTORS.
ONE BEING LORETTA LYNCH WAS FROM
BROOKLYN, SO WHEN THIS CASE CAME
TO THE UNITED STATES, SHE
DIRECTED IT TO HER OLD TURF.
BROOKLYN ALSO HAS THE ADVANTAGE
OF BEING IN NEW YORK, AND I
THINK THE U.S. GOVERNMENT WANTS
THIS TO BE A HIGH PROFILE CASE
TO SAY, HEY, WE ARE BRINGING IN
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE MAJOR
DRUG DEALERS THE KINGPINS AND
BRINGING THEM TO JUSTICE.
THEY CAN MAXIMIZE MEDIA
ATTENTION BY IT BEING IN NEW
YORK.
ALSO HAS HIGH SECURITY FEDERAL
JAIL IN MANHATTAN.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PODCAST.
THE IDEA BEHIND DOING IT AND WHY
YOU HOSTED THE PODCAST WOULD BE
SUCH AN EFFECTIVE VEHICLE FOR
INFORMING PEOPLE ABOUT THE
TRIAL.
>> WE HAVE EIGHT EPISODES OF THE
SHOW.
EACH ONE IS ABOUT 30 MINUTES
LONG AS YOU GET INTO A LEVEL OF
DEPARTMENT AND NUANCE YOU
COULDN'T DO IN A SERIES OF PRINT
STORIES OR TELEVISION PIECES
WHICH ARE ONLY A FEW MINUTES
LONG.
WE WANT TO GO BEYOND WHAT PEOPLE
HAVE HEARD BEFORE, DEBUNK SOME
OF THE MYTHS AROUND CHAPO AND
MORE IMPORTANTLY, TALK TO PEOPLE
WHOSE LIVES HAVE BEEN AFFECTED
BY HIM AND BY THE DLUG WAR.
>> I MENTIONED THERE'S AN
ELEMENT OF CADANGER TO PEOPLE
TELLING THESE STORIES AND
REPORTERS REPORTING ON THEM.
HAVE PEOPLE BEEN RELUCTANT TO
TALK?
>> RELUCTANT TO TALK.
IT HELPS WE ARE AUDIO.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE YOUR FACE
ON CAMERA.
JUST GETTING ACCESS TO CRIME
FIGURES IN MEXICO IS A LITTLE
BIT EASIER BECAUSE OF THATFUL
T.
THEN THE DANGER COMPONENT
CERTAINLY FOR MEXICAN
REPORTERS -- MY COUNTER PART
KNOWS HOW DANGEROUS IT CAN BE
FOR MEXICAN JOURNALISTS.
HE WORKS FOR A NEWSPAPER IN SINA
LOA ONE OF CHAPO'S AREAS.
HIS COWORKER WAS MURDERED IN THE
AFTERMATH OF CHAPO'S EXTRA
DECISION TO THE UNITED STATES.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANTED TO
BRING TO AWARENESS IS THERE ARE
REPORTERS IN MEXICO PUTTING
THEIR LIVES ON THE LINES ON A
DAILY BASES TO BRING OUT THE
TRUTH.
>> YOU TALK IN THE FIRST PODCAST
ABOUT THE EXTRAORDINARY SECURITY
MEASURES THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED
HERE.
TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT FOR
US.
>> SINCE HIS EXTRA DECISION IN
JANUARY 2017, HE'S BEEN HELD AT
THE MCC METROPOLITAN
CORRECTIONAL CENTER, WHICH IS IN
MANHATTAN.
THERE'S A FLOOR ON THAT, TEN
SOUTH, THAT IS CALLED LITTLE
GITMO BECAUSE THEY HAVE HELD
TERRORISM SUSPECTS THAT ARE ON
TRIAL IN MANHATTAN.
SO IN ORDER TO GET HIM TO HIS
COURT, WHICH IS IN BROOKLYN,
THEY HAVE BEEN SHUTTING DOWN THE
BROOKLYN BRIDGE IN THE MORNING
AND AFTERNOON, WHICH HAS BEEN A
NIGHTMARE FOR TRAFFIC.
>> I'M SURE THE COMMUTERS ARE
DELIGHTED ABOUT THAT.
>> FOR THE PURPOSES OF HIS
TRIAL, THEY FOUND AUNSPECIFIED
ACCOMMODATION.
THEY'RE GOING KEEP HIM IN
BROOKLYN AT THE CROUSE PROBABLY
IN THE HOLDING CELLS OF
BUILDING.
YOU CAN EXPECT AROUND THAT AREA
OF BROOKLYN, PRETTY HIGH
SECURITY IN TERMS OF HOMELAND
SECURITY SHUTTING DOWN THE
COURTHOUSE.
>> IN LOOKING AT THE IMPACT HIS
ARREST HAS HAD, PROSECUTORS TALK
ABOUT WHAT A SIGNIFICANT FIGURE
HE WAS IN THE DRUG TRADE.
ARE WE ABLE TO FIND THAT THERE'S
BEEN ANY DEDIMINUTION IN THE
TRADE SINCE HE'S BEEN TAKEN OUT
OF PLAY?
>> IT'S AN INTERESTING DYNAMIC
WE EXPLORE LATER ON IN THE
SERIES.
HE'S HELD TO BE THE MOST FAMOUS,
THE MOST POWERFUL, THE PABLO
ESCOBAR OF OUR TIME.
HE'S TAKEN OFF THE STREETS AND
IT SEEMS NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
DRUGS ARE STILL AS READILY
AVAILABLE AS THEY WERE WHEN HE
WAS FREE.
IT HAS HAD TO IMPACT ON PRICE,
PURITY --
>> VIOLENCE?
>> IF ANYTHING, IT'S GOTTEN
WORSE SINCE HIS EXTRA DECISION.
WE HOPE PEOPLE WALK AWAY ASK, IS
THIS REALLY WORTH IT?
WHAT'S THE POINT?
HE HAS UNDOUBTEDLY IT SEEMS
COMMITTED MANY CRIMES AND
DESERVES TO BE BROUGHT JUSTICE,
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IS IT
WORTH IT FOR THE U.S. TO BE
GOING THROUGH THIS WHOLE
PROCESS?
>> IT'S GOING TO BE A
FASCINATING TRIAL, A FASCINATING
CASE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
YOU'RE DOING A MARVELOUS JOB.
THE PODCAST GIVES YOU AN
OPPORTUNITY TO GET BREADTH OF
THE STORY, DETAIL WE DIDN'T HAVE
BEFORE.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING TO
YOU AGAIN.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> REMINDER, LISTEN TO THE
PODCAST CHAPO.
TO FIND OUT HOW, VISIT OUR
WEBSITE AT METRO FOCUS.ORG.

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