ANOTHER SHOOTING, ANOTHER SOFT TARGET

The mass shooting at a bar in Thousand Oaks, California has claimed 12 innocent lives and that of the gunman. We explore what these recent events tell us about keeping safe.

Aired on November 8, 2018.

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> SERGEANT PASSED AWAY AT THE HOSPITAL ABOUT AN HOUR AGO, AND I HAVE BEEN A COP FOR 41 YEARS, AND I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE THE THINGS AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT WOULD HAPPEN, BUT I'VE LEARNED IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT COMMUNITY YOU'RE IN, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW SAFE YOUR COMMUNITY IS, IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE.

AN UNDERSTANDABLY EMOTIONAL SHERIFF, THURSDAY MORNING AFTER THE SHOOTING AT THE BORDERLINE BAR AND GRILL THAT LEFT A DOZEN DEAD INCLUDING A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND THE GUNMAN.

IAN DAVID LONG WHO SOME HAVE SUGGESTED MIGHT HAVE BEEN SUFFERING FROM POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER OPENED FIRE ON THE CROWD BEFORE TAKING HIS OWN LIFE.

ANOTHER MASSACRE, ANOTHER SOFT TARGET, WITH MOUNTING DEATH TOLLS AROUND THE COUNTRY, CAN WE FEEL SAFE ANYWHERE.

HERE WITH SOME HELP IN DISCUSSING THESE ISSUES IS FORMER NPD LIEUTENANT DR. DARREN PORCHER.

IT'S ALWAYS GOOD ME START --

WITHOUT SECURITY.

THAT'S THE CONNECTION WE HAVE WITH A SOFT TARGET, AND SHOOTERS, MASS SHOOTERS IN PARTICULAR WANT TO TARGET THESE SOFT TARGETS BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH EASIER FOR THEM.

I GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE HAD THE DYLANN ROOF SHOOTING IN THE CHURCH IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, IN HIS TESTIMONY HE SPECIFICALLY STATED THE REASON WHY HE TARGETED THIS CHURCH BECAUSE HE HAD NO FEAR OF RETRIBUTION OR RETALIATION FROM THE PARISHIONERS IN THE CHURCH.

HE HAD TARGETED OTHER LOCATIONS IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, AND HE FELT THIS WAS MORE APPROPRIATE TO ADVANCE HIS AGENDA.

THAT'S WHY HE FOCUSSED ON A SOFT TARGET.

WE ARE BEING TOLD THAT THE SHOOTER WAS APPARENTLY A MARINE CORPS VETERAN.

WE'RE TOLD THAT IT WAS.45 HANDGUN THAT HE USED.

THERE WAS A SUGGESTION A SMOKE BOMB MIGHT HAVE BEEN UTILIZED ALSO TO CREATE HAVOC AND CONFUSION.

AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND INVESTIGATOR, WHAT DO ALL OF THOSE FACTS TELL YOU?

WELL, I SEE A STAUNCH CONTRAST IN COMPARISON TO SEVERAL SHOOTINGS.

ONE, I GO BACK TO 2012, THE AURORA, COLORADO, SHOOTING WITH MR. HOLMES, HE USED SMOKE CANISTERS, THIS IS A SIGN OF PREMEDITATED ATTACK.

THESE TYPES OF ATTACKS IN THESE TYPES OF VENUES IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AS THE COMMON CITIZEN TO PROTECT OURSELVES.

THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS, ONE IS YOU CAN RUN, HIDE AND DIAL 911.

I WANT TO SPEND SOME TIME ON THAT, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WILL OFTEN SAY, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOFT TARGETS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SCENARIO WHERE THERE IS SECURITY AROUND A HARDER TARGET, PUBLIC CITIZENS, PRIVATE CITIZENS SEEM TO SAY, WELL, THERE ARE PEOPLE DESIGNED THERE TO PROTECT AGAINST THAT, BUT NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A BAR, AND A COLLEGE COUNTRY MUSIC NIGHT.

WE TALKED ABOUT A CHURCH.

LAS VEGAS, LIKE A COUNTRY MUSIC, BIG COUNTRY MUSIC CONCERT.

SO THE FIRST THING THAT PEOPLE WILL SAY IS, EITHER TO THEMSELVES OR OUT LOUD, IF I FIND MYSELF IN A SITUATION SUCH AS THAT, WHAT SHOULD I DO.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE ARE ANY HARD ANSWERS.

LET'S START OFF WITH THE FIRST THREE SUGGESTIONS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

RIGHT.

DOES ONE PHILOSOPHY RUN, HIDE AND DIAL 911.

THERE'S A SECOND PHILOSOPHY IS TO FIGHT, MEANING CONVERGE ON THE GUNMAN.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT, HISTORICALLY THE PREMISE OF CONVERGING ON THE GUNMAN HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, AND WE GO BACK TO 1993, HERE IN NEW YORK, ON THE LIRR RAILROAD, WE HAD A GUNMAN, COLIN FERGUSON, THE PATE TRONS ON THAT -- PATRONS ON THAT LIRR TRAIN CONVERGED ON COLIN FERGUSON AND IT STOPPED THE CARNAGE.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE, JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, WE HAD SOME U.S.

SERVICEMEN ON A TRAIN IN FRANCE.

THEY CONVERGED ON A SUSPECTED TERRORIST.

HE REVEALED A FIREARM, IT WAS ACTUALLY A RIFLE, AND IN THE LAST INSTANCE I CAN REMEMBER IS WE LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED DURING 9/11.

THE 9/11 HIJACKERS THAT WERE OVER PENNSYLVANIA, WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU DRASTICALLY REDUCE THE CARNAGE WHEN YOU APPROACH THE SHOOTER DIRECTLY, AS OPPOSED TO WHE WHEN YOU LOOK TO RUN, HIDE, AND DIAL 911, YOU HAVE A GREATER PROPENSITY OF A HIGHER CASUALTY RACE.

WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PULSE NIGHTCLUB IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA, NOT TOO LONG AGO.

WHAT WOULD, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS AN AREA WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE GOOD, INTELLIGENCE, WELL TRAINED PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT IT, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO SOMETHING WHO SAY, I HEARD SOMEONE ELSE SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO CONFRONT, FLIGHT IS YOUR BETTER OPTION?

RIGHT.

IT GOES BACK TO TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS, SHELTER IN PLACE OR EVACUATE.

THERE'S NO COOKIE CUTTER METHOD THAT I CAN PLACE YOU IN.

YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND A SAFE PLACE TO SHELTER IN PLACE.

IF YOU HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO SHELTER IN, BY ALL MEANS DO IT.

WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO AN EVACUATION, IT NEEDS TO BE A SAFE PASSAGEWAY.

THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED BASED ON THE INCIDENT THAT YOU'RE IN.

I GAVE YOU THOSE TWO ASPECTS.

IF YOU FIEND YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.

YOU HAVE TO FOCUS ON WHAT YOU HAVE AS OPPOSED TO THE PERFECT SCENARIO WHERE YOU CAN GET AWAY UNHARMED OR YOU CAN ATTACK THE GUNMAN UNHARMED BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS WE HAVE DISCUSSES ON BOTH ENDS BUT WE HAVE HAD MORE SUCCESS WHEN THE PUBLIC HAS CONVERGED ON THE GUNMAN AS OPPOSED TO RUNNING.

BECAUSE THE CARNAGE --

TRY AND ASSESS THINGS.

DARREN, AGAIN, I ALWAYS SAY IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU, IT IS, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT TRAGEDIES.

UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCES.

WE APPRECIATE YOU SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS.

ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU.

YOU BE WELL.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

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