TONIGHT ON METROFOCUS

Dan Abrams is back with his observations and firsthand insights on the media during a Trump’s presidency. Shaquille O’Neal introduces us to the documentary “Killer Bees.” The film tells the story of the Bridgehampton High School basketball team, winners on the basketball court, and a symbol of hope for its Hamptons community, where discrimination, gentrification and massive income inequality are a way of life. We have the details on The Afropunk Fest in Brooklyn, a music, art and political festival hailed by The New York Times as “the most multicultural festival in the U.S.”

Aired on August 24, 2018.

TRANSCRIPT

TONIGHT ON 'METROFOCUS', REAL NEWS, FAKE NEWS, THE MEDIA AND THE PRESIEENT.

DAN ABRAMS IS BACK WITH OBSERVATIONS AND FIRSTHAND INSIGHTS.

HOPE IN THE HAMPTONS, THEY'RE WINNERS ON THE BASKETBALL COURT, AND A SYMBOL OF HOPE FOR A COMMUNITY WHERE DISCRIMINATION, GENTRIFICATION AND MASSIVE INCOME AND EQUALITY AND WAY OF LIFE.

> HERE COMES THE WEEKEND.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO BLOW OFF SOME STEAM WHILE HAVING A REAL HOT TIME, THEN HEAD ON OVER TO THE AFRO PUMP FEST IN BROOKLYN.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE AS 'METROFOCUS' STARTS RIGHT NOW.

Announcer: THIS IS 'METROFOCUS,' WITH RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

'METROFOCUS' IS MADE POSSIBLE BY JAMES AND MERRYL TISCH, SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III, BERNARD AND IRENE SCHWARTZ, ROSALIND P.

WALTER, BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG.

AND BY -- CORPORATE FUNDING FOR 'METROFOCUS' WAS PROVIDED BY MUTUAL OF AMERICA, YOUR RETIREMENT COMPANY.

AND BY PSE&G, SERVING CUSTOMERS, STRENGTHENING THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND INVESTING IN THE FUTURE.

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM IS ALSO PROVIDED BY THE JPB FOUNDATION, AND THE FORD FOUNDATION.

> AS WE CONTINUE OUR CONVERSATION TONIGHT WITH DAN ANTIBIOTIC RACKS, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO WHAT HAS BECOME ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT QUESTIONS OF OUR TIME.

WE'RE BOMBARDED ON A CONSTANT BASIS, TELEVISION, PHONES SOCIAL MEDIA, HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHO TO TRUST AND HOW TO SEPARATE FACT FROM FICTION?

IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN PLAYED OUT DAILY AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF PUBLIC LIFE.

ON TWITTER, THE PRESIDENT ROUTINELY DISMISSES ANY INFORMATION THAT HE SAYS ARE FAKE NEWS.

MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA HAVE RECENTLY STARTED ACCUSING TRUMP OF DELIBERATELY -- HOW DID HE GET HERE?

WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR OUR DEMOCRACY AND HOW DO WE FIND OUR WAY OUT?

SOME OF THE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS FOR MY GOOD FRIEND DAN ABRAMS JOINING US NOW, AND ALSO I SHOULD MENTAL THE AUTHOR OF THE NEW BOOK, 'LINCOLN'S LAST TRIAL, THE MURDER CASE THAT PROPELLED HIM TO THE PRESIDENCY,' AND IT'S A MARVELOUS, MARVELOUS BOOK.

THANK YOU, JACK, GREAT TO BE WITH YOU.

LET'S START WITH A BIG PICTURE, IF WE CAN.

YOU AND I WERE JOKING ABOUT THIS OUTSIDE.

THE NOTION OF WHERE THE PROFESSION OF JOURNALISM AND THE MEDIA STANDS IN THE MINDS OF THE PUBLIC.

YOU WERE TELLING ME THAT TELL ME THE STORY.

HOW WOULD UCHB DESCRIBE YOURSELF.

I WOULD OFTEN SAY I'M A MEMBER OF TWO OF THE MOST DESPISED PROFESSIONS IN AMERICA, BEING A LAWYER AND BEING A JOURNALIST.

BUT THESE DAYS IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE.

THAT BEING A LAWYER, OH, THAT'S FINE.

IT'S THE MEDIA PART THAT IS REALLY CHANGED.

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

PART OF IT HAS BEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP.

RIGHT?

MINE, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS ATTACKED ALL OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA AS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY FAKE NEWS, BASICALLY SAYING YOU CAN'T TRUST ANY OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.

I THINK SOME OF IT, SOME OF IT IS SELF-IMPOSED.

I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT OVER TIME THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA HASEA YOU.

YEAH.

AND YOU HAVE I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FOR A LOT OF YEARS NOW.

I THINK THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.

BUT, THEY DON'T LEAN AS FAR TO THE LEFT AS MANY CONSERVATIVES CLAIM, AND CERTAINLY NOT AS MUCH AS DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN SUGGESTING NOW.

AND SO THE FIRST THING THE MEDIA HAS TO DO IN MY VIEW IS OWN THAT AND ADMIT THAT AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S TRUE.

YOU KNOW, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO GO INTO JOURNALISM FOR THE LAST 30 OR 40 YEARS HAVE TENDED TO BE MORE LEFT LEANING THAN RIGHT LEANING.

AND AS A RESULT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE MACROPICTURE, THAT'SN REFLECTED IN THE MEDIA COVERAGE.

BUT I WILL ALSO SAY THAT THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA GOES TO GREAT LENGTHS TO TRY TO BE FAIR.

DOESN'T MEAN THEY ALWAYS SUCCEED.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU, BEHIND THE SCENES, EVERY DAY THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS AND EFFORTS TO TRY TO BE AS BALANCED AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN BE.

AND SO I THINK THAT THE STARTING POINT FOR THE MEDIA NOW IS SAYING, THEY'VE HAD A FAIR GRIPE ON CERTAIN THINGS.

BUT NOT AS FAR AS SOME ARE CLAIMING.

WE TALK ABOUT THE NOTION OF FAKE NEWS.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S VIEW OF FAKE NEWS.

MANY HAVE SAID IT'S NEWS THAT HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH.

BUT THE REALITY IS, THAT THERE IS FAKE NEWS OUT THERE.

YEAH, BUT SEE, LOOK, WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT WHEN THE PRESIDENT USES THE TERM FAKE NEWS, IT'S A COLLOQUIALISM.

HE'S NOT ACTUALLY SAYING IT'S ALL -- EVERYTHING IS MADE UP.

HE'S USING IT AS A SLOGAN, BASICALLY, TO SAY DON'T BELIEVE THEM.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT HE'S BEEN DOING.

THERE'S NOT ACTUALLY THAT MUCH QUOTE/UNQUOTE FAKE NEWS OUT THERE, MEANING NEWS THAT'S LITERALLY UNTRUE, INVENTED.

NOW, WE'VE SEEN ON FACEBOOK AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THERE WAS A SCOURGE OF IT LEADING UP TO 2016.

LITERALLY PEOPLE INVENTING THINGS THAT DID NOT HAPPEN AND THEN SHOWING UP ON GOOGLE SEARCH, FOR EXAMPLE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, FACEBOOK IS TRYING TO ADDRESS, GOOGLE IS TRYING TO ADDRESS, TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MINIMIZE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF TRULY FAKE, UNREAL NEWS.

A SEPARATE QUESTION IS ABOUT BIAS, RIGHT?

THAT'S NOT -- SOME CAN CALL IT FAKE NEWS, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO.

I'M CALLING IT BIASED NEWS.

LAST QUESTION.

ARE WE AT A POINT WHERE IT'S TOO LATE?

IS IT TOO LATE FOR US NOW?

IS JOURNALISM ALWAYS GOING TO HOVER ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST OF RESPECTED PROFESSIONS?

AS OPPOSED TO A TIME WHEN IT WAS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST?

I DON'T THINK IT WILL NECESSARILY ALWAYS BE THERE, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A WHILE.

I THINK THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, 'THE NEW YORK TIMES' HIRES A CONSERVATIVE COLUMNIST, OR CNN HIRES A FEW TRUMP SUPPORTING ANALYSTS, DOESN'T CHANGE ANYONE'S IMPRESSION OF WHAT THE 'NEW YORK TIMES' IS OR WHAT CNN IS OR, YOU KNOW, FOX NEWS HIRES A FORMER OBAMA ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE GAME HERE.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME.

AND LOOK, HONESTLY IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN DURING THIS PRESIDENCY.

BECAUSE THIS PRESIDENT HAS DECIDED THAT THE MEDIA IS HIS ENEMY.

AND WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITHIN THAT ENVIRONMENT, THERE'S GOING TO BE VERY LITTLE HOPE, I THINK, OF CONVINCING PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE NOT ON -- YOU KNOW, IF YOUR POSITION IS I'M JUST REPORTING THE FACTS, AND PRESIDENT TRUMP IS SAYING NO, YOU'RE MY ENEMY, IT'S FORCING PEOPLE TO KIND OF PICK SIDES.

AND IT PUTS THE PUBLIC, I THINK, IN A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION AND PUTS THE MEDIA IN AN IMPOSSIBLE POSITION.

DAN, AGAIN, WE COULD ALWAYS TALK FOR HOURS HERE.

I WANT TO MENTION ONE MORE TIME, LINCOLN'S LAST TRIAL, IT'S A MARVELOUS BOOK, AND FOLKS WHO GET OUT THERE AND READ IT, AND WE'LL GET YOU BACK SOMETIME SOON AND TALK SOME MORE.

THANKS, JACK.

YOU BE WELL.

> THIS SEGMENT IS PART OF OUR CHASING THE DREAM INITIATIVE ON POVERTY AND OPPORTUNITY IN AMERICA.

. FROM PRODUCER SHAQUILLE O'NEILL COMES THE DOCUMENTARY KILLER BEES THAT TELLS THE STORY OF A BASKETBALL TEAM THAT DEFIES TYPICAL STEREOTYPES OF THE HAMPTONS, LED BY THEIR INSPIRATIONAL COACH, THE TEAM PREPARES TO DEFEND THEIR STATE CHAMPIONSHIP, THEIR FIGHTING SPIRIT HAS SINCE BECOME A SYMBOL OF HOPE FOR A COMMUNITY STRUGGLING TO SURVIVE, AMONG OTHER THINGS, RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, GENTRIFICATION, AND ABSURD INCOME INEQUALITY IN ONE OF THE WEALTHIEST NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE COUNTRY.

THERE'S LEGITIMATELY A SOCIOECONOMIC DIVIDE NORTH OF THE TRACKS AND SOUTH OF THE TRACKS.

THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO CLOSE THAT SCHOOL DOWN FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

AND YET WE STAY TRUE TO WHAT HAS GOTTEN US HERE.

ONE OF THE REASONS THE SCHOOL WILL NOT CLOSE IS THAT WE HAVE A WINNING BASKETBALL TEAM.

KEEP MOVING, ALL RIGHT?

AND HERE WITH MORE NOW ABOUT THE FILM IS FORMER BRIDGE HAMPTON BASKETBALL COACH CARL JOHNSON, AND PRODUCERS AND DIRECTORS BEN AND ORSON CUMMINGS.

GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU.

THANKS FOR HAVING US.

IT'S A GREAT FILM.

I WATCHED IT LAST NIGHT.

I'M A FORMER ATHLETE, SO I LOVE THE SPORTS FILMS.

THIS IS SO MUCH MORE THAN A SPORTS FILM, SO MUCH MORE THAN A BASKETBALL FILM.

LET ME ASK YOU FIRST, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN YOUR FILMAKING CAREERS, WHAT DREW YOU TO THIS?

WE GREW UP IN BRIDGE HAMPTON, WENT THERE, WENT THROUGH THE BASKETBALL PROGRAM.

A COUPLE SUMMERS AGO, THE WAY I REMEMBER IT, I GOT A FACEBOOK MESSAGE FROM COACH CARL AND A CLASSMATE OF MINE, SAYING YOU GUYS ARE FILM MAKERS, YOU KNOW ALL ABOUT THE BEES.

THINGS ARE CHANGING SWIFTLY OUT HERE.

THIS CULTURE MAY NOT BE AROUND MUCH LONGER, IF YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED, IT'S BEST DO IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

THEN WHAT DID YOU DO?

HERE'S AN IDEA.

I'M SURE YOU'RE GIVEN ALL SORTS OF IDEAS FROM ALL SORTS OF SOURCES REGULARLY DOING WHAT YOU DO.

WHAT WAS THE NEXT STEP?

WE ONLY MADE NARRATIVE FEATURES BEFORE, HADN'T DONE A DOCUMENTARY.

WE WERE A LITTLE CAUTIOUS, WE'D HEARD THE STORIES OF HOOP DREAMS, SOMEONE WENT IN AND I'LL MAKE A MOVIE, TEN YEARS LATER YOU'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.

WE HAD COFFEE MEETINGS, CALLED A FEW FRIENDS, WENT FOR COFFEE, WE'RE THINKING OF TELLING THIS STORY AND TOLD THEM WHAT IT WAS ABOUT.

EVERYONE WE SPOKE SO SAID YOU HAVE TO DO THAT, TOO GOOD A STORY.

IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE REACTION, NEVER GOT A REACTION LIKE THAT.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW DIFFERENT THIS PLACE IS NOW FROM WHEN YOU WERE THERE.

BUT BEFORE I DO THAT, CARL, LET ME ASK YOU, SO WHEN YOU WERE FIRST APPROACHED ABOUT THE IDEA OF DOING A FILM ABOUT NOT JUST YOUR TEAM, BUT THE SCHOOL, THE COMMUNITY, WHAT WAS YOUR VERY FIRST REACTION TO IT?

SOMEWHAT APPREHENSIVE ABOUT IT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE ASKING THE KIDS TO OPEN UP THEIR PERSONAL LIFE.

YOU'RE ASKING THE SCHOOL TO OPEN UP THEIR PERSONAL LIFE.

AND SOME PEOPLE JUST --

ASKING YOU TO OPEN UP YOUR PERSONAL LIFE.

YES, DEFINITELY, TO OPEN UP MY PERSONAL LIFE AND WHERE DO WE GO FROM THERE, AND DO I FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT?

SOME KIDS ARE GOING THROUGH THEIR SENIOR YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL, THE PRESSURE OF TRYING TO DEFEND THE STATE TITLE, AND ALSO ALL THE OTHER KIND OF THINGS THAT SOME KIDS WEREN'T COMFORTABLE ABOUT OPENING UP.

SO AT FIRST I WAS REAL APPREHENSIVE.

BUT THEN AGAIN, THERE'S A STORY TO BE TOLD AND IT SHOULD BE TOLD.

HOW DID YOU GET -- BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU TALK ABOUT HOOP DREAMS, THERE ARE A LOT OF GREAT SPORTS DOCUMENTARIES OUT THERE.

BUT A LOT OF THEM ARE -- FOCUS REALLY ON THE SPORT ITSELF AND THE GAMES AND THE QUEST FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP.

BUT THIS BECAME SO MUCH MORE.

DID YOU KNOW GOING INTO IT THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BECOME WHAT IT ULTIMATELY BECAME?

YES.

THAT WAS -- WE WENT INTO THE KITCHEN IN BRIDGE HAMPTON, WAITING FOR CARL FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS WHAT WE WERE -- WHAT WE WERE UP TO, AND WE WERE LIKE, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO ASK CARL, IS IT OKAY IF WE EXAMINE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THESE OTHER ISSUES, HOW DO YOU THINK REALLY REACT?

WE POSED THE QUESTION TO CARL, AND HE'S LIKE, I KIND OF FIGURED THAT WAS THE POINT.

SO GOING INTO IT, THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS I'M STRUCK BY.

ONE IS, I WENT TO -- WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

I WENT TO A TINY HIGH SCHOOL, 90 SOME KIDS IN MY SENIOR CLASS.

WE HAD A VERY PROUD ATHLETIC TRADITION.

IT WAS SO SMALL, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF TALKS ABOUT CLOSING IT UP, MERGING WITH SOMEBODY ELSE.

THERE'S BEEN A HISTORY OF THAT HERE.

HOW DIFFERENT IS THE SCHOOL AND THE COMMUNITY NOW FROM WHEN YOU GUYS WERE THERE AS STUDENTS?

WELL, IT WAS MORE AFRICAN-AMERICAN PREDOMINANTLY WHEN WE GREW UP THERE.

AND I THINK SINCE IT'S DEFINITELY --

BECOME A LITTLE MORE DIVERSE.

WE HAVE OUR -- WE HAVE LATINOS, WHITES AND BLACKS.

IT'S BECOME A LOT DIFFERENT.

WHY HAS IT CHANGED, DO YOU THINK?

I THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR SCHOOL REALLY WAS -- PEOPLE PRE-JUDGED IT BEFORE THEY EVEN DECIDED TO STEP IN TO COME SEE THE SCHOOL.

THERE WAS ALL THESE LITTLE RUMORS SAY, OH, IT'S THIS, IT'S THAT.

WHEN THEY GET THERE, THEY FIND OUT, OH, THIS IS A REALLY NICE SCHOOL.

BASICALLY WITH A PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATION, YOU GET THE PRIVATE SCHOOL.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LOOKING SCHOOL.

PEOPLE WILL SEE THIS WHEN THEY DO IT, YOU AS FILM MAKERS, I'M SURE, APPRECIATED THAT, THE VISUAL QUALITIES.

ONE THING, TOUCHING ON THE CHANGING DEMOGRAPHICS.

IT'S REALLY POSITIVE, A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF AMERICA FUNCTIONING WELL, WHITE AND BLACK AND LATIN ALL TOGETHER.

PEOPLE GETTING ALONG.

IT ALSO REFLECTS THE GENTRIFICATION, THE TURNPIKE WHERE AFRICAN-AMERICAN PEOPLE LIVED A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LEAVING, IT'S THE HAMPTONS, THEY'LL SELL, AND THEN PUT UP A MANSION, A SPECULATIVE REAL ESTATE PROPERTY.

WHEN YOU WATCH THIS, THE WONDERFUL JOB YOU DID SORT OF INTERCUTING, YOU KNOW, THE HAMPTONS AND THE GREAT WEALTH OF THE HAMPTONS AND THE OSTENTATIOUS LIFESTYLE OF THE HAMPTONS, HERE ARE SOME GUYS HARD WORKING, KIDS ON A BASKETBALL TEAM, AND IT'S ALMOST HARD TO IMAGINE THAT IT'S -- YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME TOWN GOING ON HERE.

YEAH, BASICALLY -- YEAH, IT'S JUST --

HOW DO THE KIDS HANDLE THAT?

ONE DAY THERE'S $250 MILLION MANSION ON THE BEACH.

AS THE CROW FLIES, YOU KNOW, 30 SECONDS AWAY THERE'S A KID ON THE TEAM BEING EVICTED FROM HIS HOUSE, FROM THIS LITTLE HOUSE ON THE TURNPIKE.

AND IT'S HARD TO FATHOM.

IT'S A LOT OF THE SAME ISSUES THAT THE COUNTRY IS FACING, THE DISAPPEARANCE OF THE MIDDLE CLASS, BUT IN THE HAMPTONS IT IS SO EXTREME, SO EXTREME.

BECAUSE YOU'VE SEEN SOME GENTRIFICATION SITUATIONS WHERE IT'S GETTING BETTER, A LITTLE BETTER, AS IT GETS A LITTLE BETTER IT MAKES THE QUALITY OF THE EDUCATION A LITTLE BETTER, PUT MORE MONEY INTO IT, BUT HERE IT'S LIKE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORLD.

WELL, YOU DO HAVE THOSE MANSIONS, THOSE $14 MANSIONS $20 MILLION MANSIONS.

PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE ARE ONLY THERE FOR THE SUMMER.

THEIR KIDS DON'T GO TO SCHOOL THERE YEAR ROUND.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP TOO MUCH OF THIS.

I WANT PEOPLE TO WATCH IT.

IT IS WONDERFUL.

WHAT DO KIDS THINK ABOUT THE IDEA OF BEING FEATURED IN A FILM, AND THEN WHAT DID THEY THINK ABOUT IT WHEN THEY SAW IT AFTERWARDS?

THEY REALLY LOVED THE MOVIE.

THEY WERE EXCITED ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, AND I ALWAYS TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU WHAT TO THINK.

YOU GO THERE AND JUDGE IT FOR YOURSELF.

WHATEVER YOU FEEL, STICK WITH IT.

DON'T EVER TRY TO, YOU KNOW, BE PERSUADED LIKE, SAY, OH, INSIDE YOU WOULD LIKE IT, OUTSIDE, SOMEONE TELL YOU, NO, I DON'T LIKE IT.

I GOT POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM ALL THE KIDS THAT WERE FEATURED IN THE FILM.

SO I WAS VERY PLEASED.

LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, WE TALKED ABOUT SHAQUILLE O'NEILL'S INVOLVEMENT IN THIS.

TELL ME ABOUT THAT.

WE WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE A GREAT EXECUTIVE PRODUCER NAMES GLEN FURMAN WHO HAS A FOUNDATION CALLED THE FLAG ART FOUNDATION BASED IN NEW YORK AND HE HAD SHAQUILLE O'NEILL, WHO WE GOT TO MEET, CURATE A SHOW, SO WE BECAME FRIENDS WITH HIM THERE, SHAQ GOES BY SHAQASSO.

WE SHOWED HIM AN EARLY -- HE SHOWED IT TO SHAQ, AND HE WATCD IT AND SIGNED UP RIGHT AWAY.

HE'S BEEN A TERRIFIC HELP.

NOT JUST HIS PHYSICAL PRESENCE, BUT JUST WHO HE IS AND WHERE HE COMES FROM.

YEAH, BUT THAT'S FUNNY, WE WERE -- SHAQ HAD A CONVERSATION, AND HE'S LIKE, COACH, AND HE CALLED ME COACH, HE'S LIKE I CAME FROM A SCHOOL I GRADUATED WITH 39 KIDS IN MY CLASS.

SO HE KNOWS WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE IN A SMALL SCHOOL AND NOT TO -- AND TO HAVE THAT KIND OF PRIDE, THAT SENSE OF PRIDE, LIKE THAT BURNING FEELING INSIDE, I DON'T CARE WHO WE GO UP AGAINST, WE'RE GOING TO WIN.

HE HAS THAT BURNING.

THAT'S CAUSED HIM TO BE THE SUCCESS HE'S BEEN AS WELL.

IT'S A GREAT JOB OF STORY TELLING.

YOU KNOW AS STORY TELLERS YOU NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE, YOU'RE TELLING THEIR STORIES.

AND COACH, YOU KNOW, A WONDERFUL ROLE IN THE LIVES OF THESE KIDS.

SO IT'S GOING TO JOIN THAT PANTHEON OF REALLY GOOD SPORTS/MUCH MORE STORIES.

YOU SHOULD ALL BE PROUD OF WHAT YOU DID HERE.

THANKS VERY MUCH.

IT WAS A DELIGHT AND FUN TO WATCH, BY THE WAY.

A REMINDER, FOR MORE INFORMATION ON WHERE YOU CAN WATCH 'KILLER BEES,' VISIT OUR WEBSITE AT METROFOCUS.ORG.

> ERICA BADU, JANELLE MONET, BUZZ WORTHY NAMES BEING FEATURED AT THIS YEAR'S PUNK FESTIVAL, THE LATEST IN FILM AND ART.

TWO-DAY EVENT BEGAN AS A PLATFORM FOR BLACK PUNK BANDS.

IT'S EXPANDED WORLDWIDE.

NOW, RETURNING TO ITS ROOTS.

HERE TO TELL US MORE, JOCELYN COOPER.

SO NICE TO HAVE YOU.

GOOD TO BE HERE.

LET'S START OFF WITH HOW IT GOT CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

WHAT'S THE GENESIS OF THE FESTIVAL?

IT CAME FROM A FILM THAT MY PARTNER MATTHEW MORGAN PRODUCED CALLED AFRO PUNK AND THE FILM WAS ABOUT YOUNG BLACK KIDS WHO ARE PART OF THE PUNK MOVEMENT WHO FELT DISENFRANCHISED, WHO WEREN'T ACCEPTED BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN, SO IT WAS A STORY THAT MANY PEOPLE COULD RELATE TO.

INTERESTING BECAUSE, IF YOU THINK OF MUSIC AND THE MUSICAL GENRES, IN SO MANY OF THEM, AFRICAN-AMERICANS WERE THE LEADERS, THE FIRST ONES OUT THERE, THE ONES WHO EVERYBODY ELSE ASPIRED TO BE LIKE.

AND YET, WITH THE -- IN THE PUNK WORLD THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN MUSICIANS FELT LEFT OUT?

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE BEGINNINGS OF PUNK ROCK, IF YOU LOOK AT A BAND CALLED DEATH AS AN EXAMPLE, OR BAD RAIN, THERE WERE AFRICAN-AMERICAN MUSICIANS THAT WERE A PART OF THAT INITIAL MOVEMENT.

BUT THE AUDIENCES WERE NOT -- WERE NOT BLACK.

AND THE IDEA OF HAVING SORT OF THESE FOLKS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, NOT WHITE, ENGLISH KIDS, YOU KNOW, WHO WERE WORKING CLASS KIDS FROM LONDON, THE IDEA THAT YOUNG PEOPLE WANTED TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, I THINK, WAS DIFFICULT FOR FOLKS.

SO TELL ME HOW IT'S EVOLVED, HOW IT'S EVOLVED FROM ITS BEGINNING AND WHERE IT'S GOTTEN TO NOW.

WELL, YOU KNOW, THE INTERESTING THING IS THAT AFRO PUNK HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PLATFORM FOR DISCOVERY, WHETHER IT'S YOUNG PUNK BANDS, OR YOUNG BANDS THAT HAVE A PUNK ATTITUDE, BECAUSE AFRO PUNK REALLY IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING A FREEDOM, AND THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO COME TOGETHER IN A GROUP, IN A SPACE ONLINE AND EXPRESS YOURSELF.

THAT HAS EVOLVED OVER, YOU KNOW, A 12-YEAR, 14-YEAR PERIOD OF TIME WHERE IT STARTED WITH 250 KIDS AND NOW WE'VE GOT 60,000 FOLKS IN BROOKLYN.

WE'RE REACHING ANOTHER -- YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN PARIS AND LONDON AND ATLANTA AND JOHANNESBURG AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

AND THEN NEXT YEAR IN BRAZIL.

SO IT REALLY HAS EVOLVED GLOBALLY.

THE COMMUNITY BOTH ONLINE AND OFFLINE HAS JUST GROWN AND BLOSSOMED.

AND THERE'S MORE ART INTEGRATED.

THERE'S MORE ACTIVISM, QUITE FRANKLY.

TELL ME ABOUT THAT.

TELL ME ABOUT WHAT THE FESTIVAL WILL LOOK LIKE, WHAT IT WILL FEEL LIKE, WHAT IT WILL SOUND LIKE.

THE THEME THIS YEAR IS THE PEOPLE RESIST.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE MANY DIFFERENT GENRES OF MUSIC, IT SOUNDS LIKE AN AREA THAT WE HAVE CALLED ACTIVISM ROW WHERE WE HAVE GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHER LARGER ORGANIZATIONS LIKE A.I.D.S. HEALTH CARE FOUNDATION AND EVEN AARP ARE INVOLVED THIS YEAR.

THOSE OF US THAT FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY, I'VE GOT MY CARD.

CARD CARRIERS.

YES, WE ARE.

AND WE WILL REGISTER PEOPLE TO VOTE.

WE HAVE A SPECIAL SURPRISE, ANGELA DAVIS IS ACTUALLY COMING THIS YEAR TO BE A PART OF A VERY SPECIAL TRIBUTE TO AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMEN AND MUSIC.

AND PRIOR TO THE FESTIVAL WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THOUGHT LEADERS CALLED THE AFRO PUNK SOLUTION SESSION WHICH ARE TWO DAYS OF CONVERSATIONS.

IRA DUVANE IS HERE WITH US, HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH TERRENCE NANCE WHO LAUNCHED A SHOW OF 'RANDOM ACTS OF FLYNESS' ON HBO.

THE IDEA IS YOU CONNECT SKATER KIDS AND MUSICIANS AND KIDS THAT ARE INTO FASHION AND POLITICS AND YOU PUT THEM INTO THIS ONE GROUP, A DAY OF FREEDOM AND EXPRESSION.

IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S ALMOST SORT OF AN EVENTART, AND TYLER THE CREATOR IS THERE IN THE SAME SPACE.

HOW HAS YOUR AUDIENCE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS?

THE AUDIENCE HAS GROWN, THE AUDIENCE HAS BECOME YOUNGER OVER THE YEARS.

THE AUDIENCE HAS CERTAINLY BECOME MORE GLOBAL.

WE -- 'THE NEW YORK TIMES' CALLED US THE MOST MULTICULTURAL FESTIVAL IN NEW YORK, AND THAT, FOR US, MEANS THAT PEOPLE FROM GHANA AND PEOPLE FROM THE CARIBBEAN, AND PEOPLE FROM, YOU KNOW, NEW YORK AND CHICAGO ALL COME TOGETHER IN THE SAME SPACE.

AND THAT BECOMES SORT OF THIS MASHUP OF CULTURES.

LAST QUESTION FOR YOU.

SO IF SOMEBODY HEARS ABOUT THIS, LET'S SAY -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT IS.

OR WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, SOUNDS LIKE OR FEELS LIKE AND THEY SAY WAIT A MINUTE, YOU'RE A CREATOR HERE, WHAT IS THIS AND WHY SHOULD I GO?

WHAT'S THE ANSWER?

THE ANSWER IS THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR INTERESTING, EDUCATED, LIKE-MINDED, FREE SPACE AND PEOPLE, YOU SHOULD COME TO AFRO PUNK.

WHY WOULDN'T YOU BE INTERESTED IN THOSE THINGS, RIGHT?

JOCELYN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

IT WAS A PLEASURE TO MEET YOU AND CHAT WITH YOU.

GOOD LUCK WITH IT.

WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK AS IT CONTINUES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

FOR MORE INFORMATION, VISIT YOUR WEBSITE AT METROFOCUS.ORG.

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