METROFOCUS SPECIAL EDITION: THE BATTLE AT THE BORDER

In spite of President Trump’s executive order yesterday, many questions remain about what’s next in the process of “zero tolerance” at the U.S.-Mexico border. How will the children reunite with their families? And, what is the potential damage to them from this chaotic experience? Will Congressional Republicans come up with a plan that secures the border and is also compassionate? Where does this leave the president, his administration and their collective legacy in the court of public opinion?

Aired on June 21, 2018. 

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> TONIGHT A SPECIAL EDITION OF METROFOCUS, THE BATTLE AT THE BORDER.

AN EXECUTIVE ORDER IS SIGN.

AND THE SEPARATION OF FAMILIES HAS ENDED.

BUT ZERO TOLERANCE FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION REMAINS.

NOW IT'S A QUESTION OF REUNIFICATION.

WHERE ARE THE CHILDREN ALREADY MOVED?

HOW WILL THEY BE FOUND?

AND WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL DAMAGE TO THEM BY THIS EXPERIENCE?

PLUS STARTLING LOCAL NEWS.

I.C.E. DETENTIONS OF UNACCOMPANIED MINORS IN THE CITY ARE UP MORE THAN 500% THAN 2016.

WE'RE DIGGING IN.

> IN WASHINGTON, WILL CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT BOTH SECURES THE BORDER AND IS COMPASSION IT?

AND AFTER DAYS OF CRITICISM AND ULTIMATELY BACKING DOWN FROM HIS HARD LINE, WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE THE PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION, AND THEIR COLLECTIVE LEGACY?

WE'LL BE TACKLING THOSE ISSUES AND MORE AS THIS SPECIAL EDITION OF METROFOCUS, THE BATTLE AT THE BORDER, BEGINS RIGHT NOW.

ANNOUNCER: THIS IS METROFOCUS WITH RAFAEL PI RAMAN, JACK FORD, AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS PROVIDED BY --

> TODAY I SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER.

WE'RE GOING TO KEEP FAMILIES TOGETHER.

BUT THE BORDER IS GOING TO BE JUST AS TOUGH AS IT'S BEEN.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THIS SPECIAL EDITION OF METROFOCUS.

THE BATTLE AT THE BORDER.

I'M JENNA FLANAGAN.

CONFLICTING COMMENTS, PUBLIC OUTRAGE AND A PRESIDENTIAL BACKDOWN AFTER CRITICISM AND ANGER OVER THE PRESIDENT'S ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY THAT LED TO THE SEPARATION OF MORE THAN 2,400 CHILDREN FROM THEIR REFUGEE PARENTS AT THE BORDER.

YESTERDAY, TRUMP VOWED TO PRESSURE AND SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER PUTTING AN END TO THE SEPARATION POLICY, ALLOWING FAMILIES TO STAY TOGETHER WHILE IN DETENTION CENTERS.

AND TIME MAGAZINE TODAY RELEASED THEIR COVER, PRESIDENT TRUMP STANDING FACE-TO-FACE WITH A CRYING CHILD, WITH THE TEXT, WELCOME TO AMERICA.

WHAT BECOMES OF THOSE CHILDREN WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN SEPARATED?

HERE IN NEW YORK MAYOR DE BLASIO FELT BASELINE SIDED AFTER LEARNING THAT OVER 230 MIGRANT CHILDREN SEPARATED FROM PARENTS ARE NOW BEING DETAINED IN AN EAST AR LEMM CENTER.

THE MAYOR'S OUTRAGED REACTION.

COME CLEAN WITH THE TRUTH.

WHO ARE THESE CHILDREN?

HOW MANY ARE THEY?

WHERE ARE THEY?

WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE?

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT NONE OF US KNEW THERE WERE 239 KIDS RIGHT IN OUR OWN CITY?

HOW IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HOLDING BACK THAT INFORMATION FROM THE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY?

AND HOLDING BACK THE HELP THESE KIDS COULD NEED.

WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES TO COVER TODAY, FROM THE EFFECT OF THE FORCED SEPARATION ON THOSE CHILDREN AND ITS LINGERING EFFECTS?

BORDER ISSUES, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND HUMANE ENFORCEMENT.

AND POLITICS AND THE PUBLIC.

WHAT FALLOUT WILL THERE BE FROM THE EVENTS OF THIS WEEK?

SO HERE I HAVE TO GUS ANSWERS TO ALL THE QUESTIONS PLUS MANY MORE IS THE FORMER IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY TO FIRST LADY MELANIA TRUMP, MICHAEL WILDES, MEDICAL EXPERT FOR PHYSICIANS FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, DR. GAIL SALTS AND POLITICAL COMMENT TARPT JOHN BURNETT.

. I'D LIKE TO WELCOME YOU ALL TO THE PROBLEM.

THANK YOU.

I DO WANT TO START WITH THE CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN SEPARATED.

WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT'S GOING TO STOP THE FORCED SEPARATIONS AT THE BORDER.

BUT WHAT TO WE KNOW OF WHAT BECOMES OF THE CHILDREN, THE 22,040 OH CHILDREN ALREADY SEPARATED.

IT ALREADY APPEARS THERE IS NO PUBLIC PLAN, THAT THE CHILDREN ARE WAITING FOR THEIR PARENTS EITHER TO GET A PHONE CALL THAT THEY'VE BEEN DEPORTED OR THAT THEY'RE BEING PROCESSED.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S DISHEARTENING ABOUT THIS.

AS THE MAYOR JUST SAID, 239 OF THE DHIRN ARE IN THE NEW YORK CITY REGION.

AND THERE COULD BE RESOURCE THAT COULD BE BROUGHT.

THEY HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO THEIR FAMILIES.

THERE MAY BE ALLERGIES AND MEDICATIONS AND NUANCES.

AND THERE IS CERTAINLY AN EMOTIONALISM THAT'S ASCRIBED TO THE CHILDREN THAT IS LOST.

AND WHAT ABOUT RELIGIOUS FAITH AND OBSERVANCE AND THE CONTINUITY OF THEIR OWN CULTURE?

IT SEEMS THAT THE DOORS TO AMERICA WHICH HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN HINGED OPEN -- ARE RIGHT NOW SLAMMING SHUT.

AND THAT IS A VERY BAD POSTURE FOR OUR NATION TO TAKE, NO MATTER WHAT SIDE OF THE AISLE YOU ARE ON.

OKAY.

AND BEFORE I GET TO YOU, DOCTOR, I WANT TO GET TO JOHN, SIMPLY WITH THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION BEING SLAMMED SHUT.

I'VE HEARD A LOT OF REPUBLICANS SAY THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

THIS IS ABOUT ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSING.

BEFORE I WAS A REPUBLICAN I WAS A PERSON THAT REALLY CHERISHED THE -- THE BENEFITS OF HAVING A FAMILY.

IF I DIDN'T HAVE A STRONG FAMILY I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE GONE DOWN THE WRONG PATH.

SO HAVING A STRONG FAMILY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

THAT'S A REPUBLICAN VALUE.

AND I'M GLAD THE PRESIDENT STEPPED FORWARD AND SIGNED THE EXECUTIVE ORDER.

UM-HUM.

TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT GOING FORWARD AND LOOKING BACK IN TERMS OF THOSE 22,000 PLUS INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY'RE REJOINED WITH FAMILIES SOMEHOW.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO DO SO.

WITH YOU THIS IS ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, RIGHT?

WE SAW THE SAME ELEMENTS UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA.

WHEN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF PEOPLE WERE CROSSING THE BORDER FOR VARIOUS CENTRAL AMERICAN COUNTRIES.

AND THE THING IS IF CATCH AND RELEASE IS BAD, THE CURRENT SITUATION IS BAD, IT REALLY WASN'T PRESIDENT OBAMA'S FAULT.

AND IT'S NOT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S FAULT.

IT'S CONGRESS.

CONGRESS HAS NOT FIXED AND COME UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM THAT ADDRESSES THE LOOP HOLES, EVEN -- WHETHER TALKING ABOUT HISTORICAL, EVEN RIGHT NOW, DETAINING CHILDREN IN A DETENTION CENTER?

BEYOND 20 DAYS IS AGAINST THE LAW.

SO WE NEED TO IMMEDIATELY FIX A LOT OF THESE ELEMENTS TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN UPHOLD OUR VALUES WHILE AT THE SAME TIME PROTECT THE BORDER.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

AND TALKING ABOUT KEEPING FAMILIES INTACT.

BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT SECURING THE BORDER.

WITH THAT IN MIND, YES CONGRESS DOES NEED TO ACT.

I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT.

BUT GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACY IS NOTORIOUSLY SLOW PROCESS.

WE STILL HAVE THE KIDS IN CRISIS.

DOCTOR, I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE ON THE SITUATION FOR THEM RIGHT NOW.

HORRENDOUS.

REALLY EVEN BEYOND SECURING THE BORDERS I THINK WOULD AGREE AS A COUNTRY WE DON'T WANT TO COMMIT HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES.

AND THIS IS TRULY A HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE.

BECAUSE WE KNOW FROM PRIOR DATA THAT CHILDREN WHO ARE SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS, PARTICULARLY IN TRAUMATIC SITUATIONS WHICH THIS ALREADY IS, CROSSING A BORDER RUNNING FROM A LIFE-THREATENING SITUATION, THAT THOSE CHILDREN SEPARATED SUFFER DEPRESSION, ANXIETY, PTSD, ONGOING TRAUMA INTO ADULTHOOD THAT ACTUALLY IF YOU LOOK BACK AT PAST STUDIES IS WORSE THAN THE TRAUMA THEY WOULD SUFFER IF THEY STAYED IN THE TRAUMATIC SITUATION.

HMM.

SO PARENTS BASICALLY PROVIDE SAFETY, SECURITY, THEY'RE THE PRIMARY ATTACHMENT.

WHEN YOU DISRUPT THAT, YOU CHANGE BRAIN FUNCTION.

BRAIN CHEMISTRY.

THE KIDS SUFFER COGNITIVE DECLINE, SUFFER ONGOING EMOTIONAL DECLINE THAT ENDS IN MENTAL ILLNESS.

FOR 22,000 CHILDREN WHO ARE NOT HAVING PLAN TO REUNITE, THE LONGER THAT THEY STAY SEPARATE, THE MORE SEVERE THOSE THINGS WILL BE.

AND SO TAKING TIME TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THINGS EVERY DAY IS A PROBLEM FOR NOT JUST NOW FOR THOSE CHILDREN WHO ARE TOTALLY DISTRAUGHT, BUT FOR THE FUTURE OF THOSE CHILDREN.

AND I THINK TO BE A COUNTRY THAT WOULD KNOWINGLY, BECAUSE THE DATA IS FIRMLY OUT THERE TO BE, EXERT THAT KIND OF ABUSE FOR THE FUTURE OF A KIELD IS VERY DISTURBING FOR US TO BE KNOWN IN THE WORLD THAT WAY.

OKAY.

BUT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING BORDER SECURITY.

WELL I THINK THERE IS TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES HERE.

THE PSYCHOLOGICAL NEEDS OF THE KIDS AND OF COURSE.

WHICH NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

YES AND OF COURSE THE ISSUE OF HOW PROPERLY TO CROSS THE BORDER.

I THINK THAT THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS BEING USED NOW AS A WEDGE ISSUE FOR THE PRESIDENT TO DRAW OUT HIS ELECTORATE IN THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS.

WE HAVE HAD A WROEKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM FOR A LONG TIME.

AND YES WE KNOW PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS KNOWN AS THE DEPORTER IN CHIEF AND DEPORTED MORE PEOPLE THAN ANY THAN ANY PRESIDENT PRIOR TO HIS ADMINISTRATION.

THE SQUE WHAT IS THE SOUL OF THE UNITED STATES?

ARE WE GOING TO USE THE WORD ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS?

ARE WE GOING TO CONSTANTLY -- I GO ON OTHER NETWORKS AND THERE IS PICTURES OF ALIENS GETTING UP ON WALLS AND CLIMBING OVER IT AS THEY'RE TALKING.

THE DIALOGUE HAS DETERIORATED TO SUCH A POINT -- WE TALK ABOUT ANCHOR BABIES I NEVER MET A CLIENT WHO CAME TO AMERICA TO 21 YEARS LATER TO BE SPONSORED BY THE CHILD.

WE TALK ABOUT CHAIN MIGRATION.

THE BEAUTIFUL SENSE OF THE PROPRIETY OF FAMILY REUNIFICATION WAS ANYTHING LESS THAN BEAUTIFUL.

YOU WORK HARD WHETHER PICKING BLUEBERRIES IN GEORGIA OR FIXES BEDS OR WORKING ON WALL STREET.

. ANNE AND THEN YOU BRING PARENTS ABBROTHERS, RELATIVES.

THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL.

WHAT THEY ARE DO SOMETHING CHANGING THE NARRATIVE.

THAT'S A SHAME.

WE DID THIS HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO.

WE FOUGHT ISIS, PIRATES.

WE DIDN'T LOSE THE CHARACTER OF FOUNDING DOCUMENTS FROM THE FOUNDING FATHERS, WHAT THEY WANTED FOR THE COUNTRY.

WHAT DO WE DO NOW?

WE HAVE SCORES OF FOREIGN STUDENTS EMBEDDED IN THE BEAUTIFUL CITY WHO CAN'T BE ONBOARDED INTO THE WORKFORCE ON THE F 1 STUDENT VISAS AND COMPETE AGAINST THEM IN ANOTHER GENERATION ON ANOTHER COUNTRY.

WE SHOULD BE NOT ONLY INVESTING IN LOCAL FOREIGN TALENT.

WE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO EMBRACE PEOPLE COMING TO SHORES, PLEADING MERCY.

YES, WE HAVE A BORDER.

OUR HOMELAND IS IMPORTANT.

BUT WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT IS THAT WE DON'T LOSE FACE SO THAT OUR CHILDREN -- OUR CHILDREN ARE WATCHING THE WAY WE RESPOND TO THIS CHALLENGE.

WELL, SPEAKING OF WHAT THINNER ARE WATCHING AND HEAR, I WANT TO READ A QUOTE FROM CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE MICHAEL GRIM ON STATEN ISLAND.

HE SAID I CAN TAKE TO YOU ANY NURSERY.

YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THE SAME THINGS AS A MOTHER HAS TO LEAVE FOR WORK.

THE CHILDREN HAVEN'T BEEN SAFE IN A LONG TIME AND THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY HAVE ARE MUCH BETTER FROM WHERE THEY CAME FROM.

NOW, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT HEAR THAT AND SAY THAT'S CALLOUS.

SOME PEOPLE MIGHT HEAR IT AND IT'S A GOOD POINT.

KIDS ANY TIME THEY'RE SEPARATED FROM PARENTS FREAK OUT ESPECIALLY YOUNG CHILDREN.

KIDS WITH SEPARATION ANXIETY WILL BE SAD WHEN THE PARENTS LEAVES.

BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A KID LEFT AT CARED FOR AND THE PARENT TELLING THE CHILD, THESE PEOPLE ARE MY SURROGATE WHILE I'M GONE, P.S., I'LL BE BACK AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND THE CHILD SEES EVERY TIME THE PARENT IS BACK AT THE END OF THE DAY.

THIS IS A PARENT BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM CHILD WITH NO INFORMATION, NO HOPE OF RETURN, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN A PERSON WHO HAS HAD TERRIBLE SEPARATION ANXIETY AS A CHILD, IMAGINE THAT'S INTERMINABLE, FOREVER, IN AN ALREADY TRAUMATIC SITUATION THAT IS LIFE-THREATENING, WITH A PARENT CLEARLY BEING DISTRAUFT AS BEING EVIDENCE REMOVED FROM THE CHILD.

THAT'S A FAIR POINT.

A LOT OF THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO LEFT EL SALVADOR AND GUATEMALA, ET CETERA.

RIGHT.

THEY'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY THROUGH SOME VERY TRESH ROUSE TERRITORY.

IT'S ALREADY TRAUMATIC.

I'M NOT SAYING, HEY, IF YOU KEPT THE PARENT WITH THE CHILD ALL WOULD BE GOOD.

IT'S ALREADY A TRAUMATIC SITUATION.

AND IN FACT BEING MADE MORE TRAUMATIC TO SOME DEGREE BY THIS ADMINISTRATION THAT'S HOW DECIDED THAT BEING IN A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SITUATION IS NOT A REASON FOR ASYLUM.

BEING THREATENED BY GANG VIOLENCE AND HAVING YOUR LIFE THREATENED IS NO LONGER A REASON FOR ASYLUM.

SO, YES, THESE ARE FAMILIES ALREADY UNDERGOING TERRIBLE TRAUMA.

BUT SEPARATING THEM FROM THEIR PARENT IS THE ONE THING THAT IS KEEPING SOME MEASURE OF INTACTNESS FOR THESE CHILDREN.

JOHN I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU.

I AGREE WITH THE SEPARATION ANXIETY.

BUT LET'S REALLY PUT THINGS IN CONTEXT HERE.

WHEN -- WE HAVE THE LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT IN HISTORY FOR BLACKS, HISPANICS AND I THINK WOMEN FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS OR SO, RIGHT.

SO THE ECONOMY IS DOING BETTER.

THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE EVEN MORE PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE IT TO THE BORDER FOR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES.

UM-HUM.

SO, AGAIN, IT'S ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

THE FAMILY SEPARATION -- WHICH I THINK WE'RE ON THE TRACK TO TRY TO MEND THAT TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.

WE'RE DEFINITELY STOPPING IT BUT IT'S NOT CLEAR HOW WE FIX IT FOR THE KIDS.

RIGHT BUT THE POINT IS THAT IT STOPPED AND THEN WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REJOIN THE FAMILIES.

BUT WE STILL HAVE TO SECURE THE BORDER.

GOING BACK TO MIEBL'S POINT EARLIER, I THINK BOTH SIDES ARE USING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AS A WEDGE POINT TO TRY TO GET POLITICAL POWER.

WHY?

BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS WANTED 70 OH OR 80 OH THOUSAND IN TERMS OF DACA RECIPIENTS.

THE PRESIDENT PUT 2 MILLION ON THE TABLE AND SEVERAL OTHER THINGS THAT EXCEEDED WHAT THE DEMOCRATS ASKED FOR.

AND ALL HE WANTED IS TO ALSO SECURE THE BORDER.

SO BOTH SIDES ARE ACTUALLY USING PEOPLE'S LIVES AND NOW SECURITY AS A POLITICAL POINT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S PARTISAN.

I THINK MR. GRIMM, WHO I THINK IS EXTRAORDINARILY TONE DEAF, HE IS A FEDERAL FELON OR CRIMINAL JUST CAME OUT OF JAIL RUNNING FOR CONGRESS AGAIN.

I ALWAYS LOOK AT THE MESSENGER NOT JUST THE MESSAGE.

AND IT'S WHERE WE EMBRACE THEETH OSTEOBIBLICALLY TO EMBRACE THE STRANGER.

DO YOU THINK THAT'S WHAT THE TIME MAGAZINE WAS GETTING AT WITH THE PRESIDENT, THE CRYING CHILD.

THIS HAS AFFECTED A LOT OF PEOPLE.

MY GRANDPARENTS ESCAPED THE HOLOCAUST AND I HAVE THEIR PASS BORST IN MY BASEMENT WITH THE LETTER J AND THE NAME ISRAEL BY EVERY MAN AND SARA BY EVER FEMALE.

MY MOM'S NAME ISN'T SARAH BUT IN CASE YOU TOOK OUT THE J THEY WOULD KNOW YOU WERE A JU.

IT'S NOT THAT I'M COMPARING I.C.E. TO NAZIS.

BUT THE SEPARATION OF PARENTS FROM CHILDREN IS SENSITIVE.

WE CELEBRATED JUNETEENTH THE OTHER DAY.

WE HAVE A SENSE OF IMPROPRIETY WITH THE JAPANESE INTERNMENT CAMPS.

BUT GETTING BACK TO THE COMMENT BY THIS PERSON RUNNING FOR CONGRESS, IT'S INSENSITIVE AND WRONG.

AND I AGREE WITH YOU.

THIS IS NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE.

WE HAVE A BROKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.

WE NEED TO TO BE A COUNTRY WITH PROPER BORDERS.

BUILDING A WAHL AND CONCENTRATING ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER IS ALSO TONE DEFINE DEAF BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE COMING THROUGH THE NORTHERN BORDER.

WE HAVE 12 MILLION PEOPLE WITHOUT THE AUTHORITY IN THE UNITED STATES.

SO ALL WE'VE DONE IS BUILT A FORTRESS IF WE DON'T ONBOARD THEM INTO THE SYSTEM IN SOME FASHION.

AND IT'S NOT THE RIGHT MESSAGE ON ASYLUM LAW.

SOMETHING THAT YOU TOUCHED ON.

ARE WE REALLY GOING TO TURN OUR BACKS?

YES IF A PERSON IS IN DIRE STRAITS AND LEFT GUATEMALA AND EL SALVADOR AND THEY WOULD GO TO MEXICO AND BE SAFE.

THERE MAY BE A BEACON CALL BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMICS THAT ARE HERE.

BUT THESE PEOPLE ARE DESPERATE.

AND WHAT IS THE MANDATE FOR AMERICA WHEN PEOPLE ARE DESPERATE AND PARENTS AREN'T CRIMINALS COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES?

THEY'RE PARENTS THAT ARE TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR KIDS.

WELL THAT'S.

OUR MANDATE IS TO OPEN OUR DOORS AND TO GIVE THEM A CREDIBLE FEAR INTERVIEW.

MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE VETTED PROPERLY, THE STANDARDS OF ASYLUM ARE NOT MADE STRONGER BUT PROPER.

AND THEN WE INVEST IN THE FOLKS.

OKAY, JOHN.

I HEAR YOU, FIRST I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE QUESTION THAT GRIMM WAS ASKED NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, I AGREE IT IS INSENSITIVE.

BUT I THINK PUTTING IT IN THE CONTEXT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT.

I WAS IMPORTANT IN THE PINK HOUSES IN BROOKLYN.

AND NYCHA IS A HUGE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.

THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKING AT THIS SITUATION AND IMPOVERISHED CONDITIONS, TERRIBLE CONDITIONS.

AND WHEN THEY SEE THAT THEIR OWN COUNTRY IS NOT LOOKING AFTER THEIR OWN NEEDS -- WHEN DSH.

SOMEBODY ELSE --

BEFORE WE ANNE GET TO THAT POINT, MONEY CAN BE FOUND FOR EVERY OTHER SITUATION WHEN PEOPLE RIGHT HERE THAT ARE CITIZENS IN AMERICA ARE NOT GETTING WHAT THEY NEED.

BUT THEY BRING MONEY DSH ZBLOOSH HOLD ON -- AND THEN SECONDLY FOR CERTAIN CRIMES COMMITTED, EVEN NOT DSH NON-VIOLENT CRIMES.

YEAH.

PARENTS ARE.

I THINK.

PARENTS ARE SEPARATED FOR FROM THEIR CHILDREN.

THERE IS A LOT OF SITUATIONS THAT.

I THINK WE'RE ALL AGREED WHEN IT COMES TO CRIMINALS.

I DIDN'T CUT YOU OFF.

THERE IS A LOT OF SITUATIONS WITHIN THE EXISTING CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE PRINCIPLELY THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME.

YES.

WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY HAVING AN HONEST CONVERSATION.

FORGET POLITICKING THROW MY BIG R OUT IN A SECOND.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE.

I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT.

AND I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOUR R WITH MY D.

BUT I'M A FORMER MAYOR IN NEW JERSEY.

AND I HAVE GREAT PRIDE, NO MATTER -- AND SOME OF MY CLOSEST FRIENDS ARE REPUBLICANS AND THEIR WIVES AND SO FORTH.

THE TRUTH IS I AM CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING THIS RIGHT.

THE NARRATIVE IS NOT JUST THE WORDS OF CHAIN MIGRANTS AND ANCHOR BABIES.

YES.

BUT IT'S ALSO THE NOTION THAT THESE IMMIGRANTS ARE TAKING AWAY FROM THE CHALLENGES AND IN BROOKLYN THAT WE HAVE.

NO.

THESE IMMIGRANTS ARE ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE TAKING.

AND IF WE INVEST WHEN TIMES ARE STRERDLY HARD -- THESE IMMIGRANTS WILL BECOME CITIZENS AND WILL EMPLOY AND SPONSOR PEOPLE FOR VISA'S IN THE FUTURE.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU.

I JUST WANT TO SAY IRRESPECTIVE OF POLITICS WHAT HAS HAPPENED RECENTLY HAS RISEN ABOVE THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION OR NOT THAT WE'RE DOING -- UNTRAINED PEOPLE HAVE CHILDREN IN CAGES AND THERE IS QUESTIONS AS TO WHETHER SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN MED INDICATED, AS TO WHETHER SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN ABUSED.

WE DOING THINGS AS A NATION THAT NATIONALLY NO ONE REPUBLICAN OR OWE, DEMOCRAT THAT THAT WAS HAPPENING A LONG TIME BEFORE TRUPG.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE KIDS SQULOO I'M TALKING WILL.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW AND YOU'RE SAYING THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON A WHILE.

ACTUALLY THE CLIPS THAT THE MEDIA HAS BEEN USING IN ERMS IT OF SHOWING THE -- THE FENCES AND THE CAGING AND SO FORTH, THOSE WERE PICTURES FROM OBAMA'S ERA.

WELL ACTUALLY I HAVE HEARD SOME PUSHBACK ON THAT ISSUE.

ADDRESSING MANY OF THIS.

SOME OF THE PICTURES WERE OF THE UNACCOMPANIED MYRENS COMING NOT CHILDREN SEPARATED FROM PARENTS.

THAT HAS BEEN A PUSHBACK ABOUT THE PICTURES FROM THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION NOT THAT THERE WEREN'T PROBLEMS.

BUT THE MEDICAL ISSUES SHOE.

I'M JUST SAYING WE ARE INFLICTING MEDICAL HARM ON CHILDREN.

AND ON FAMILIES.

AND I THINK THAT'S NOT A COMMENT ON WHETHER OUR BORDERS ARE SECURE ENOUGH OR NOT SECURE ENOUGH.

WE'RE ALSO SAYING THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE KILLED IN YOUR COUNTRY BECAUSE YOUR MATE WILL KILL YOU OR BECAUSE THE GANG WILL KILL YOU, STILL WE'LL KEEP YOU OUT.

JUST, YOU KNOW, IN NAZI GERMANY, RIGHT WE SAID NO WE DON'T WANT JUICE HERE.

I THINK ACTUALLY.

AS SOON AS YOU CROSS THE MEXICAN -- THE MEXICAN BORDER.

YES.

THAT THREAT INIO O YOUR YES IS GONE.

RIGHT EXCEPT.

SO YEAH NOT.

HOLD ON WAIT A SECOND.

THE THREAT IS GONE SO IF SOMEBODY IS DEPORTED AND SENT BACK TO A COUNTRY WHERE THERE WAS A THREAT AGAINST THE LIFE YOU'RE SAYING THERE WAS NO THREAT.

I'MCY ADDRESSING HER POINT LET'S SAY IN GUATEMALA OR HONDURAS THERE IS A THREAT BASED UPON WHAT YOU OUTLINED.

YES.

AS SOON AS THEY CROSS THE MEXICAN BORDER THAT THREAT IN THE HOME COUNTRY NO LONGER EXISTS.

I THINK THE GENTLEMAN IS MAKING THE POINT THAT THE ECONOMIC MAGNET IF I MAY.

THAT'S BRINGING MORE PEOPLE HERE THAN LETTING THEM STAY IN MEXICO.

THERE IS ASYLUM LAW TO PROTECT THEM.

I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

IF A PERSON RESETTLES IN A THIRD COUNTRY, AMERICA ASYLUM DOES NOT ALLOW A PERSON TO GET SAFE HAVEN IN AMERICA.

NOT NECESSARILY, RIGHT.

THERE ARE MECHANISM WITHIN THE LAW THAT'S THERE.

BUT THE INFLECTIONABILITY OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE ADMINISTRATION TO EVEN MAKE IT STRICTER AND TO THEN EMBOLD ENCBP COPS TO BECOMING QUASI JUDGES ON THE BORDER IS REALLY A VIOLATION OF DUE PROCESS.

ONE WORD ON DUE PROCESS.

UM-HUM.

THE CONSTITUTION PROTECTS LIFE LIRNT AND PURSUIT OF HAPPY.

IT'S ACTUALLY THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.

YOU ARE ENTITLED TO DUE PROCESS IF YOU ARE A PERSON IN AMERICA.

ONCE YOU'VE MADE A ENTRY, A LEGAL ENTRY NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THEY MADE A LEGAL REQUEST FOR ASYLUM WHEN THEY CAME TO THE UNITED STATES, THEY ARE ENTITLED TO DUE PROCESS.

DUE PROCESS, I WOULD BEG, IS NOT PUTTING SOMEBODY IN A CAGE, WHATEVER PRESIDENT, WHATEVER PHOTOS THERE ARE.

WE CAN DO BETTER AND MUST DO BETTER WITH THE DIALOGUE.

AND AGAIN.

FOR THE CHILDREN HERE ARE REO WE BRINGING MENTAL HEALTH PROCHGSLE IN TO HELP THEM.

IN THE BIBLICAL SENSE, ALSO AS ABRAHAM IN THE BIBLE RAN TO WASH THE FEET AS HE WAS SKRUCHL SIZE OWE SIZED THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SEE THAT THE NEXT THING WILL BE INVENTED IN ERIK IN.

WE HAVE A LOT OF LAND, A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY.

YEAH.

AND THERE IS A LOT OF WORK THAT HAS TO GET DONE.

I STILL THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE BUILDING STRONGER, BETTER, MORE REBUST AND ENTREPRENEURIAL VISAS THAT WILL HELP BOLSTER.

GETTING BACK TO WHAT JOHN WAS SAY BAG WHAT CONGRESS NEEDS TO DO THOUGH.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING GREENS.

WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

MOVES SLOWLY THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

QUOTING SKRIRPT, 1 TIMOTHY 5:8 ALSO SAYS A PERSON THAT DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN AND TAKES CARE OF SOMEONE ELSE BETTER THAN THEIR OWN IS WORSE THAN AN INFIDDLE.

JOHN I'M SORRY BEFORE WE GO TOO MUCH FURTHER DOWN THE BIBLICAL ROAD WITH O CAN WE AGREE THERE IS A BIBLICAL QUOTE TO SUPPORT PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING.

ABSOLUTELY.

LET'S ALL AGREE ON THAT MUCH.

AND SO THE VIEWERS WON'T THINK I'M SOME HARD PERSON THAT DOESN'T CARE, THE REALITY OF IT IS THAT WE HAVE 7 BILLION PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.

WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 325 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE U.S.

OKAY.

THERE IS NO WAY THAT AMERICA CAN TAKE CARE OF EVERYONE.

I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY IS COMING HERE.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS -- AND THE NUMBERS DISPROVE SOME OF THE THINGS MIKE SAID EARLIER IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU LOOK AT THERE IS A HUGE DRAIN ON PUBLIC GOODS AND PUBLIC RESOURCES.

LET'S LOOK AT OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, NUMBER ONE.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT -- THAT WE CLOSE OUR BORDERS.

BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A LEGAL STRUCTURE, RIGHT, THAT WORKS.

WE'RE AGREED.

FOR OUR BORDER.

AND ADDRESS THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

OKAY.

OKAY.

EVERYONE WE ARE COMING UNFORTUNATELY TO THE END OF OUR CONVERSATION.

AND THERE IS CLEARLY SO MUCH MORE THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO ADDRESS.

SO I DO WANT TO MAKE TIME FOR FINAL THOUGHTS FROM EACH ONE AND I'LL START WITH YOU MICHAEL.

I HAVE A BOOK COMING OUT IN ABOUT A MONTH'S TIME.

'SAFE HAVEN IN AMERICA, BATTLES TO OPEN THE GOLDEN DOOR.'

I BELIEVE FUNDAMENTALLY THAT IMMIGRANTS AND IMMIGRATION, OUR NATIONAL ETHOS IS REFLECTIVE WHAT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WANT AND REFLECTED IN THE NUMBERS.

THEY CONTRIBUTE EXPONENTIALLY MORE THAN THEY TAKE.

THERE ARE SCORES OF PAY IN THE TRISTATE AREA THAT HAVE FAKE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER AND TAX IDENTITY NUMBERS AND PAYING INTO THE TREASURY.

WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT FROM AN ECONOMIC APPEAR MORAL SENSE.

WHAT WE SAW IN THE LAST WEEK WAS UNCONSCIONABLE AND AMERICA WITH ANOTHER STAIN.

WE COULD DO BETTER AND NEED TO DO BETTER.

THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN.

THIS IS AN AMERICAN ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO GET OUR HANDS ON.

THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.

THE UNITED STATES ALWAYS HAD BORDER.

I THINK WE NEED BORDERS BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO COMMIT HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES ON CHILDREN OR ADULTS FOR THAT MATTER IN ORDER TO UPHOLD THE BORDERING.

I THINK THAT PRIMARILY WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH AND THE PHYSICAL HEALTH OF HUMAN BEINGS.

AND THERE HAS BEEN A SHARP CHANGE IN THAT -- IN THAT PATH.

WE HAVE -- WE ARE REALLY -- DOING HARM.

I THINK WE HAVE TO DO NO HARM WHILE WE SECURE THE BORDERS.

AND JOHN, LAST WORD.

I'M GLAD THE PRESIDENT STEPPED FORWARD TO CORRECT THIS.

AS A PERSON THAT DEEPLY BELIEVES IN THE CONSTRUCT OF FAMILIES AS IMPORTANT AND IMPORTANT TO KEEP FAMILIES TOGETHER.

HOWEVER, I DO THINK CONGRESS NEEDS TO ACT AND ACT WIFTLY.

PUT POLITICS ASIDE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE FIX A BROKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM THAT HAS BEEN BROKEN FOR DECADES, RIGHT?

SO THAT WAY WE CAN BE TRUE TO OUR CONSTITUTION AND OUR DECLARATION.

AND WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE NOT ONLY PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT'S POLITICALLY CORRECT BUT THAT'S MORALLY RIGHT.

I THINK.

AT THE SAME TIME SECURE THE BORDER.

THE BORDER.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ALL AGREE ON.

I WANT TO THANK EACH OF YOU FOR JOINING US ON THE PANEL.

WE WILL BE OF COURSE FOLLOWING THIS STORY TO SEE HOW IT DEVELOPS AND HOPEFULLY TO SEE SOME OF THE KIDS REUNITED WITH FAMILIES ASAP.

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING THIS SPECIAL EDITION OF METROFOCUS.

I'M JENNA FLANAGAN.

GOOD NIGHT.

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Funders

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