TROOPS ON THE BORDER

Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney is here to discuss President Trump’s plan to militarize the Mexican border, the census “citizenship” question, and gun legislation amongst other things. A must see interview!

Aired on April 5, 2018. 

TRANSCRIPT

> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO 'METROFOCUS,' I'M JACK FORD.

THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS FOR THE ACTION GOING DOWN ON CAPITOL HILL WITH A WHITE HOUSE SEEMINGLY IN TURMOIL, WITH BOTH PARTIES AT ODDS ON MANY THINGS, FROM GUN REGULATION, TAXES AND THE CENSUS.

> FIRST OUR BREAKING STORY, TONIGHT, PRESIDENT TRUMP ORDERING TROOPS ALONG THE MEXICAN BORDER TO HELP EASE THE FLOW OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

APPREHENSIONS THERE ARE AT THEIR LOWEST LEVEL IN 37 YEARS, WHILE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION SPECIFICALLY FROM MEXICO IS AT ITS LOWEST LEVEL IN 50 YEARS.

JOINING US WITH A LOOK AT ALL OF THAT, ALL THAT'S GOING ON, IT'S OUR PLEASURE AS ALWAYS TO HAVE CONGRESSWOMAN CAROLYN MALONEY.

ALWAYS NICE TO SEE YOU.

ALWAYS NICE TO SEE YOU AND TO BE ON YOUR IMPORTANT SHOW.

LET'S START WITH THE NOTION OF TROOPS NOW BEING SENT TO THE MEXICO BORDER.

YOUR PERSPECTIVE, DO YOU THINK IT'S NECESSARY AT THIS POINT?

NO, I DON'T AND I DON'T WANT TO MILITARIZE OUR BORDER, NOR DO I THINK DEMOCRATS WANT THE MILITARY AT OUR BOARDER AND I DON'T THINK THE MILITARY THEMSELVES WANT TO BE THERE.

I THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT YESTERDAY HAS CALLED FOR THE NATIONAL GUARD, OF THE GOVERNORS TO SEND THE NATIONAL GUARD TO THE BORDER.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA, AND PRESIDENT -- I CAN'T ON SAY HIS NAME.

THE AUTHOR OF TWO WARS AND $15 TRILLION AND AND A FINANCIAL SURPLUS.

HE ALSO SENT THE NATIONAL GUARD TO THE BORDER.

THERE WAS REPORTS THAT THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A HUGE INFLUX, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET.

BUT THE NATIONAL GUARD IS AN APPROPRIATE FALL BACK POSITION.

I DO NOT BELIEVE AMERICA WANTS TO MILITARIZE AND ARM THE BORDER WITH ONE OF OUR CLOSEST ALLIES.

TWO PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS HAVE TAKEN SIMILAR STEPS.

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA SENT 12,000 NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS, PRESIDENT BUSH SENT ABOUT 6,000.

THEY WERE TOLD SPECIFICALLY THEY WERE THERE NOT TO BE ARMED BUT TO ASSIST IN VARIOUS FUNCTIONS.

SO THE ADMINISTRATION HAS SAID WE ARE JUST DOING WHAT PRESIDENTS BEFORE US HAVE DONE.

ISN'T THERE SOME VALIDITY TO THAT ARGUMENT?

NATIONAL GUARD WAS VALIDITY, BUT HIS FIRST REGARD WAS TO SEND THE AMERICAN MILITARY, TO HAVE TRAINED TROOPS THAT ARE THERE TO DEFEND US, TO HAVE THE MILITARY ITSELF THERE AND ARMED.

LIKE ALL OF HIS TWEETS, IT'S NOT CLEAR AT ALL THAT THE POLITICS HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT AND IN WHAT FORM.

I DO NOT SUPPORT MILITARYIZING OUR BORDER.

BUT WE HAVE USED THE NATIONAL GUARD IN TIMES OF STRESS WHEN WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH BORDER PATROL.

IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THE IDEA IS TO MIRROR ESSENTIALLY WHAT PRESIDENT OBAMA AND PRESIDENT BUSH DID, NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS, NOT ENGAGED SPECIFICALLY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT JUST AS A PRESENCE, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THAT?

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IS THE THREAT.

THEY SAY THERE'S THIS LARGE GROUP OF ASYLUM SEEKERS, ALMOST 1,500 MARCHING TOWARD THE BORDER.

IF THAT IS HAPPENING, AND YOU HAVE TO SEE THE SPECIFICS.

THEN IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE.

BUT LIKE ANYTHING, IT'S HARD TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IFS.

I AM TOTALLY AGAINST HAVING THE MILITARY AT THE BORDER, BUT THE NATIONAL GUARD HISTORICALLY HAS COME IN AND PROVIDED ASSISTANCE TO BORDER PATROL WHEN THEY FEEL THEY NEED IT.

SO I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND THE SPECIFICS HAVE TO BE PRESENTED TO CONGRESS.

IT'S A TWEET.

WE NEED THE DETAILS.

YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS TRULY BEHIND IT.

IS THERE IN FACT -- THERE'S BEEN SOME REPORTS THAT IT'S BEEN DISBANDED, I DON'T KNOW, THIS SO CALLED INFLUX OF ASYLUM SEEKERS.

WE DON'T KNOW AND WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE FACTS ARE.

WE'LL BE BACK IN WASHINGTON, D.C. ON THURSDAY, AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE DETAILS, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN A TWEET.

GUNS, THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT UPTICK IN DISCUSSIONS, CONVERSATIONS, PROPOSALS ABOUT GUN SAFETY.

YOU'RE INVOLVED NOW, YOU HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO PUSH FORWARD IN CONGRESS.

TELL US ABOUT THE ELEMENTS OF YOUR PROPOSAL.

I HAVE ROUGHLY SEVEN DIFFERENT BILLS BEFORE CONGRESS AND I TRULY FEEL THAT SOMETHING'S DIFFERENT NOW, BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC HAS JUST HAD IT AND THE STUDENT LEADERSHIP, NOT JUST IN FLORIDA, I WOULD SAY ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS HAVING SUCH A GREAT IMPACT.

I SAW THE TERM YOUTH QUAKE.

IN THE OMNIBUS BILL THEY MADE TWO CHANGES, ONE IS THEY REMOVED THE PROHIBITION ON STUDYING GUN SAFETY.

AND I HAVE HAD SENATOR MARKEY ON THAT FOR YEARS, AND THE OTHER WAS TO STRENGTHEN THE NATIONAL INSTANT BACKGROUND CHECK, FBI CENTRAL AREA WHERE WE CHECK FOR BACKGROUND CHECKS.

THE BILL I'M INTRODUCING WHEN I GO BACK ON TUESDAY AND REALLY MEETING WITH GUN GROUPS TODAY, IS THE NIX FIX BILL, THAT WOULD ALLOW THE FBI TO HAVE THE ABILITY ON BACKGROUND CHECKS.

IN 2004, THE REPUBLICANS CHANGED THE SYSTEM THAT YOU ONLY HAD 24 HOURS TO AUDIT AND THEN IT HAD TO BE DESTROYED.

PRIOR TO 2004, IT HAD TO BE 90 DAYS.

THEY FOUND THAT MANY PEOPLE GAMED THE SYSTEM, USED FALSE NAMES.

SO THIS WOULD KEEP THE RECORDS AVAILABLE FOR 90 DAYS, JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT GOT MISSED?

SO THE CRIMINALS WHO ARE DANGEROUS TO SOCIETY, THEY CAN GO BACK AND TAKE THOSE GUNS AWAY FROM THEM?

IS THERE A SENSE THAT THERE'S SOME BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR THAT ELEMENT?

I CERTAINLY HOPE SO, JACK.

THIS YOUTH EARTHQUAKE IS HAVING SOME IMPACT.

THEY HAVE ALSO CALLED FOR EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS TO HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING THIS WEEKEND, I'M HAVING MINE AT VELAZQUEZ MIDDLE SCHOOL IN BROOKLYN, YOU CAN GO TO MY FACEBOOK CALENDAR OR MY WEBSITE TO FIND OUT WHERE IT IS.

SO EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS, REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT SHOULD BE HAVING THAT.

THIS STUDENT LEADERSHIP, I WAS PART OF THE MARCH FOR OUR LIVES AND MANY OTHERS AS SUPPORT FOR THESE STUDENTS.

AND ALSO THE WALKOUT.

HOW DUMB CAN YOU BE?

TO NOT HAVE SENSIBLE GUN SAFETY LAWS.

IF GUNS MADE YOU SAFER, WE WOULD BE THE SAFEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

WE HAVE MORE GUNS THAN ANY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY BY FAR.

THE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE SAYING I WANT TO BE SAFE TO GO TO SCHOOL.

IN THE NEWS RECENTLY THERE'S BEEN SOME SUGGESTIONS BY THIS PRESIDENT THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT CITIZENSHIP IN THE UPCOMING SCENSUS.

EVERY 10 YEARS, WE'RE REQUIRED BY THE CONSTITUTION TO CONDUCT A CENSUS.

THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF ATTORNEYS GENERAL WHO ARE IN THE PROCESS OF FILING SUIT.

THEY WANT TO STOP THIS.

WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE A QUESTION ABOUT CITIZENSHIP ON THE CENSUS?

IT'S IMPORTANT IN REPRESENTATION AND THE DISTRIBUTION OF OVER 700 BILLION IN FEDERAL FUNDS AND THE CITIZENSHIP QUESTION WAS THROWN IN WITHOUT BEING STUDIED, MOST OF THE QUESTIONS ARE STUDIED FOR THREE YEARS.

I HAVE A BILL THAT SAYS YOU DON'T PUT IN QUESTIONS AT THE LAST MINUTE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN STUDIED AND APPROVED BY THE CENSUS BUREAU AND THE PROFESSIONALS.

FIVE OF THE LAST CENSUS DIRECTORS HAVE COME OUT IN BOTH ADMINISTRATIONS AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL.

THE IDEA IN THE CONSTITUTION IS THAT YOU SHOULD COUNT EVERYONE.

AND PROFESSIONALS ARE SAYING THAT THE CITIZENSHIP QUESTION WILL RESULT IN AN UNDERCOUNT IN IMMIGRANT POPULATIONS AND URBAN AREAS LIKE NEW YORK CITY AND CALIFORNIA AND OTHER STATES BECAUSE THEY WON'T ANSWER IT.

THEY'LL GO UNDER GROUND, THEY WON'T ANSWER IT AND PEOPLE WHO SYMPATHIZE WITH IMMIGRANTS, IMMIGRANT FAMILIES WON'T ANSWER IT SO IT WILL RESULT IN AN UNDERCOUNT SO THAT YOUR FUNDING FORMULAS WON'T BE ACCURATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING FORMULAS ARE ALL TIED TO CENSUS NUMBERS SO IT'S CRITICAL.

ALSO YOUR REAPPORTIONMENT NUMBERS ARE ALSO TIED TO THE CENSUS.

IF YOU'RE NOT COUNTED, YOU'RE NOT REPRESENTED AND YOU'RE NOT COUNTED.

AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR RELIES ON IT TREMENDOUSLY FOR RESEARCH, WHERE IS THE COUNTRY GOING, WHAT'S HAPPENING?

IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT SCIENTIFIC DOCUMENT THAT WE PRODUCE IN OUR COUNTRY AND IT SHOULD BE ACCURATE.

WHY DO A CENSUS IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A QUESTION ON THAT EVERY PROFESSIONAL INCLUDING FIVE CENSUS DIRECTORS HAVE SAID, BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT, HAVE SAID DON'T DO IT, IT'S WRONG, IT'S GOING TO PRODUCE AN UNDER COUNT.

SOME ATTORNEYS GENERAL INVOLVED IN LITIGATION, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET YOU BACK HERE AND TALK ABOUT THIS MORE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

TAKE CARE.

Funders

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