AFTER COLUMBINE…

April 21, 2018 at 4:45 am

19 years ago today the Columbine High School massacre occurred, killing 13 and marking the start for many of the seeming epidemic of school shootings.  We’re looking back to look forward.

Aired on April 20, 2018. 

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>>> APRIL 20th, 1999.
ON THAT DAY TWO HEAVILY ARMED
STUDENTS, ERIC HARRIS AND
DYLANICALLY BOLD WALKED INTO
THEIR COLORADO HIGH SCHOOL AND
KILLED 13 PEOPLE BEFORE TURNING
THEIR GUNS ON THEMSELVES.
THAT TRAUMATIC EVEN IS FOREVER
SEERED IN THE NATION'S PSYCHE AS
IS THE NAME OF THE SCHOOL BY
WHICH THE MASSACRE WILL BE
KNOWN.
CLUM BINE.
IT WAS AT THE TIME THE DEADLIEST
SCHOOL SHOOTING IN AMERICAN
HISTORY.
BUT TRAGEDICALLY SINCE THAT
SHOOTING THERE HAS BEEN A
PROLIFERATION OF MASS SLAUGHTER
AT SCHOOLS SOME COMMITTED BY
YOUNG MEN INSPIRED BY THE
COLUMBINE KILLERS.
WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED IN THE 19
YEARS SINCE THAT?
WHY DO MASS SHOOTINGS KEEP OCCUR
SNG WHAT HAPPENS TO COMMUNITIES
THAT HAVE BEEN VICTIMS OF THE
EVENTS WHEN THE TV CAMERAS GO
AWAY?
COULD THINGS REALLY CHANGE AFTER
PARKLAND?
JOINING US NOW TO TALK ABOUT ALL
IN IS DAVE COLIN, AUTHOR OF THE
BOOK CLUM BINE WIDELY CONSIDERED
THE DEFINITIVE HISTORY OF THE
CLUM BINE SHOOTING.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> DAVE WHAT ARE THE CHIEF
LESSONS WE HAVE HAVE LEARNED
FROM COLUMBINE AND HAVE WE BY
AND LARGE LEARNED THEM.
>> THERE ARE MANY LESSONS.
WE HAVE GOTTEN AN A OR F ON THE
DIFFERENT ONES.
THE .ONES SUCCEEDED DIFFERENTPY
WE HAVE THE ACTIVE SHOOTER
PROTOCOL SO THEY GO IN
IMMEDIATELY.
SCHOOLS HAVE CREATED LOCK DOWN
DRILLS AND TRAINED TEACHERS AND
STUDENTS AND DONE ALL SORTS OF
THINGS ADDED SECURITY MEASURES.
I'D GIVE AN A ON THAT.
IN TERMS OF LIKE GETTING BOTH
TEACHERS AND ESPECIALLY STUDENTS
TO BE AWARE OF THESE AND TO SEE
SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING IDEA AND
KIDS REPORTING TO FOIL THESE
BEFORE THEY HAPPEN, ALSO DOING
FANTASTIC.
MORE OF THESE -- MANY MORE ARE
FOILED NOW THAN ACTUALLY GO
THROUGH.
BUT THEN A COUPLE OTHER AREAS
WHERE WE HAVE FAILED MISERABLY.
AND MOST OF THESE TURN OUT TO BE
THE VAST MAJORITY TURN OUT TO BE
SUICIDELY DEPRESSED KIDS, WHERE
THEY REALLY START WITH SUICIDE
BY BECOMES AGGRESSIVE HOMICIDE
AS WELL.
THE ISSUE THERE IS TEEN
DEPRESSION.
AND EVEN SCREENING FOR TEEN
DEPRESSION, WE HAVE DONE ZERO.
THAT'S APPALLING.
WE GET AN F THERE.
AND MAYBE WORST OF ALL IS OF
COURSE THE GUNS ISSUE WHERE YOU
KNOW THESE ONLY HAPPEN AT THESE
MASSIVE NUMBERS BALMS OF GUNS
AND NOT ONLY WE GET AN F WE
RETREATED BECAUSE AT THE TIME OF
COLUMBINE THERE WAS THE ASSAULT
WEAPONS BAN WHICH NOW EXPIRED.
WE MADE ZERO PROGRESS AND HAVE
GONE BACKWARDS.
>> LET'S TURN TO THE MEDIA.
AS YOU KNOW, SOME CRITICS ARGUE
THAT THE MEDIA IS IN SOME WAY
COMPLICIT WITH THE KILLINGS
BECAUSE AT LEAST PART OF THE
MOTIVATION OF THESE KILLERS IS
TO GET WIDE ATTENTION.
AND KNOW THEY WILL AFTER THE
EVEN FROM 24/7 COVERAGE IN THE
MEDIA.
WOULD YOU GO THAT FAR?
WOULD YOU CALL THE MEDIA
COMPLICIT.
>> I THINK THE MEDIA TOTALLY IS
COMPLICIT BECAUSE WHEN YOU STUDY
THESE KILLERS THEY'RE LASHING
OUT.
IT'S NOT ABOUT SEEKING FAME AND
NOTORIETY.
IT'S MORE A DESIRE TO BE HEARD
AND FEEL POWERFUL.
NEARLY ALL OF THEM PEEL HELPLESS
AND HOPELESS.
THEY FEEFL EXCLUDED AND KIND OF
PATHETIC.
THEY'RE AT THE END OF THEIR
ROPE.
AND THEY'RE DYING FOR ATTENTION
AND TO FEEL POWERFUL.
AND TO FEEL HEARD.
AND SO WE IN THE MEDIA GIVE THEM
THAT MICRON, GIVE THEM THE POWER
THAT YOU KNOW, FOUR TO FIVE DAYS
OF GLORY WHERE THEY'RE THE
BIGGEST STAR IN THE WORLD.
WE ARE HANDLING THEM -- HANDING
THAT TO THEM.
NOW IT'S FASCINATING TO ME THAT
PARKLAND REALLY FIT THAT SCRIPT.
THIS TIME WE DO KNOW THE TAME.
EVERYONE KNOWS CAMERON CAPSKY.
THEY MADE THEMSELVES MORE
INTERESTING THAN THE KILLER.
THE KILLERS NAME LIKE LOTS OF
PEOPLE I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT
BUT DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS
ANYMORE.
THEY HAVE FIGURED THAT OUT.
SO PERHAPS THEY'VE CREATE ADD
TEMPLATE WHERE OTHER SURVIVORS
FOLLOW IN THE FOOTSTEPS AND DO
THE SAME THING.
NOW MAYBE THE VICTIMS WILL BE
MORE INTERESTING THAN THE
KILLERS AND WE DIMINISHED THE
KILLERS INSTEAD OF THE MEDIA DO
GOING MAYBE THE SURVIVORS AND
VICTIMS HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW TO
DO THAT.
WITH THE PARKLAND KIDS, THEY
HAVE SEEMED SO MUCH LESS
TRAUMATICIZED.
I SPENT A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME
WITH THEM.
I THINK IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.
THE COLUMBINE VICTIMS IT WAS
SUCH A -- YOU KNOW, A LEFT
ROOK -- RIGHT HOOK OUT OF NO
WHERE THEY WERE TAKEN BY SUCH
SURPRISE.
IT WAS TANTAMOUNT AS THIS ALIENS
ATTACKED.
NOT ONLY WAS IT A SHOCK AND
HORROR OF FRIENDS DEAD.
IT WAS SHATTERING IN RE WORLD
VIEW OF WHAT WAS SAFE AND WHAT
DANGERS WERE OUT THERE.
THINGS THEY HAD NEVER
CONSIDERED.
AND THEY WERE TOTALLY SHAKEN UP.
SPO THAT WAS JUST IN LIKE
UNTHINKABLE THING THAT HAD
HAPPENED AND SHATTERED THE WORLD
VIEW.
WITH PARKLAND THEY DIDN'T GO
THROUGH IT THAT WAY.
IT WAS MORE LIKE -- A AS HAD A
HORRIBLE FIRE.
YOU I SAY THAT BECAUSE THEY DO
FIRE DRILLS AND LOCKDOWN DRILLS.
THEY ARE ARE KNOWN THREATS THEY
ACCEPT AS PART OF THE WORLD.
A LOCKDOWN DRIEL THEY KNOW THIS
IS HAPPENING TO SOMEONE AND NOW
IT HAPPENED TO US.
WE WERE THE UNLUCKY ONES.
SAME IF A FIRE SWEPT THROUGH
AWFUL, FREPDS FRIENDS DEAD BUT
FIRES HAPPEN.
THAT DIDN'T SHATTER OUR WORLD
VIEW THAT THERE WAS A FIRE.
YOU KNOW, NOW NOW A LITTLE
FURTHER, IF THERE WERE ONGOING
RAFTS OF FIRES AND IT WAS
BECAUSE BUILDING CODES WERE
IGNORED, SLIP SHOD THINGS AND WE
COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, AND
WE WEREN'T AND LETTING KIDS DIE
BY ALL THE FIRES THEY WOULD BE
IRATE.
BUT THAT'S THE SITUATION HERE.
THAT THIS IS THE KNOWN THREAT,
THE LOCKDOWN, THEY PLANNED FOR
IT ALL WE DO IS PLAN FOR AFTER
SOMEBODY IS SHOOTING SOMEBODY.
AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO
SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
THE KIDS GREW UP WITH THE KNOWN
THREAT BUT REALLY PISSED.
WHY IS THERE THIS THREAT AND
YOU'RE DOING NOTHING.
YOU'RE LeING US DIE.
YOU'RE CHOOSING TO LET YOUR KIDS
DIE.
AND IT MAY BE YOUR KIDS NEXT.
WHO KNOWS BUT SOME OF US ARE
GOING TO DIE DOO.
>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US
TODAY, DAVE.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT TOPIC.
APPRECIATE IT.

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