TONIGHT ON METROFOCUS

The flu outbreak across the nation has arrived in the tri-state area. So how do we protect ourselves? Dr. Demetre Daskalakis, deputy commissioner for the Division of Disease Control at the New York City Department of Health & Mental Hygiene, joins us to share his prescription for winning the fight against the dangerous virus. For some veterans, coming home is when the real battle begins. Now, there’s help for veterans and their families as they attempt to heal. Ken Fisher, chairman and CEO of the Fisher House Foundation, which provides housing for military families receiving medical care, shares the details about the Foundation’s mission and the two new Fisher Houses that are coming to New York City.  Amber Cantorna, author of “Refocusing My Family: Coming Out, Being Cast Out, and Discovering the True Love of God,” shares her story of growing up in a conservative Christian family and the struggles she experienced growing up gay and conflicted. Now an activist for LGBTQ+ inclusion in the church, she is here to share journey of claiming her identity.  If you think today’s politicians hit below the belt, find out how our Founding Fathers battled it out. Pulitzer Prize winner and author of “Friends Divided: John Adams and Thomas Jefferson,” Gordon S. Wood,  joins MetroFocus to discuss dirty politics.

Aired on January 25, 2018.

TRANSCRIPT

> TONIGHT ON 'METROFOCUS,' THE FLU OUTBREAK ACROSS THE NATION HAS ARRIVED IN THE TRI-STATE AREA, SO HOW DO WE PROTECT OURSELVES?

> COMING HOME, FOR SOME VETS, THAT'S WHEN THE REAL BATTLE BEGINS.

NOW THERE'S HELP FOR THEM AND FOR THEIR FAMILIES AS THEY ATTEMPT TO HEAL.

> DIRTY POLITICS REVOLUTIONARY STYLE.

IF YOU THINK TODAY'S POLITICIANS HIT BELOW THE BELT, FIND OUT HOW OUR FOUNDING FATHERS BATTLED IT OUT.

> ONE WOMAN REVEALS HER STRUGGLES ABOUT GROWING UP CHRISTIAN, CONSERVATIVE AND GAY.

> 'METROFOCUS' STARTS RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS 'METROFOCUS,' WITH RAFAEL P. RAMON, JACK FORD AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

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> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO 'METROFOCUS.'

I'M JENNA FLANAGAN.

ACCORDING TO THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL, IN ITS 13 YEARS OF MONITORING THE FLU, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME EVERY PART OF THE CONTINENTAL U.S. HAS SHOWN WIDESPREAD ACTIVITY.

WE ARE IN AN HEPIDEMIC.

HERE IN NEW YORK CITY, WE HAVE ST SEEN A STAGGERING NUMBER OF DIAGNOSES, BUT VERY FEW HOSPITALIZATIONS.

5,092 RESIDENTS HAVE CONTRACTED THE ILLNESS.

THAT'S 378 FEWER CASES THAN LAST SEASON.

BUT 2,165 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ADMITTED TO HOSPITALS, AND THAT'S 359 MORE.

THESE ARE ALL LAB CASES WHICH MEANS THE ACTUAL NUMBERS COULD BE EVEN HIGHER AS MANY NEW YORKERS CHOOSE TO SUFFER AT HOME WITHOUT SEEING A DOCTOR.

AND HERE WITH TIPS ON HOW YOU CAN PROTECT YOURSELF AGAINST GETTING THIS SEASON'S FLU IS DR.

DMITRI DASCOLOKUS.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, LET'S GET OUT OF THE WAY, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COLD AND THE FLU, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME TELLING THE DIFFERENCE.

YOU'LL KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE THE FLU GENERALLY, BECAUSE IT'S TENDS TO BE A PRETTY SEVERE ILLNESS.

FLUS ARE CAUSED BY FLU VIRUSES, COLDS ARE CAUSED BY MANY, MANY VIRUSES.

COLDS CAN HAVE UPPER RESPIRATORY INFECTIONS LIKE COUGHING AND SNEEZING.

BUT THE FLU CAN KNOCK YOU OUT FOR THREE OR FOUR DAYS AND CAN LEAD TO SOME PRETTY SERIOUS COMPLICATIONS IF YOU HAVE AN UNDERLYING CONDITION.

IS IT TOO LATE TO GET THE FLU SHOT?

IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO GET THE FLU SHOT.

THERE'S DIFFERENT STRAINS OF FLU THAT WILL CIRCULATE AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR.

IF YOU TAKE A FLU SHOT AND YOU GET THE FLU, YOU GENERALLY HAVE A LIGHTER FORM OF THE FLU.

EVEN IF IT DOESN'T PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING IT, IT CAN PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING EXTRAORDINARILY SICK FROM IT.

ONE OF THE PUSH BACKS I HEAR FOR PEOPLE IN THE WANTING TO GET THE FLU SHOT, WELL, IF I GET THE FLU SHOT, I GET SICK.

THERE'S REALLY NO POINT IN GETTING THE FLU SHOT.

I TALK TO MY PATIENTS ABOUT FLU SHOTS IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, WHAT DO YOU GET IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER?

COLDS.

SOME PEOPLE WILL GET THE FLU SHOT AND GET A SNIFFLE OR A COUGH AND IT'S NOT THE FLU.

THE FLU SHOT IS NOT AN ACTIVE VIRUS.

CAN IT GIVE YOU MAKE YOU FEEL A LITTLE BIT FATIGUED THE NEXT DAY, YES.

BUT IT'S NOT THE FLU.

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HOW IS IT TRANCE MIDED?

IT CAN BE TRANSMITTED THROUGH DROPLETS, THROUGH RESPIRATORY SECRETIONS.

EVERYBODY'S IMAGINING THEIR SUBWAY TRIP RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT'S A GOOD REASON TO GET THE FLU SHOT, BUT ALSO IT CAN BE TRANSMITTED ON SURFACES.

SO THE SUBWAY POLE?

SO ONE GOOD WAY TO PREVENT THE FLU IS GOOD HAND HYGIENE AND TRY NOT TO TOUCH THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE TOUCH.

AND THE OTHER THING IS, IF YOU GET SICK, DON'T WAIT.

IT'S WORTHWHILE GOING TO SEE A MEDICAL PROVIDER BECAUSE THERE ARE MEDICINES YOU CAN BE PRESKP PRES PRESCRIBED, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A WEAKENED IMMUNE SYSTEM, YOU CAN GET OVER IT QUICKER.

THIS IS NOT A FLU SEASON THAT'S THAT DIFFERENT FROM OUR OTHER FLU SEASONS SO FAR.

SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS FLU SEASON MAINLY BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS ACTIVE ALL AT ONCE, EVERYBODY HAS HIGH FLU ACTIVITY.

ALL OF NEW YORK STATE HAS IT.

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT NEW YORK STATE IS REPORTING POTENTIALLY HIGHER HOSPITALIZATIONS.

IN A CITY LIKE NEW YORK CITY WHERE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE FREELANCERS, AND FOR FREELANCERS, TIME IS MONEY, SO IF THEY'RE GOING TO FEEL SICK, THEY SAY I'M GOING TO POWER THROUGH, I'M GOING TO GO TO WORK, I'M JUST GOING TO GET THROUGH IT.

WHEN IS THE TIME TO JUST GO TO THE DOCTOR?

YOU'VE TAKEN THE SCRIPT FROM MY PATIENTS.

SO TWO HOURS TO GO TO AN URGENT CARE PROVIDER IS MUCH BETTER THAN FIVE DAYS IN BED.

IF YOU'RE A FREELANCER AND YOU GET THE FLU AND YOU'RE STUCK NOT BEING ABLE TO DO YOUR BUSINESS BECAUSE YOU'RE STUCK AT HOME WITH FEVERS AND SHAKES AND FEELING TERRIBLE.

IT'S WORTH THAT EXTRA LITTLE EFFORT TO REDUCE THE DURATION OF OUR FLU SYSTEMS BY A LITTLE BIT.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE FLU, WHY IS IT THAT A COLD CAN LINGER AND START TO FEEL AND LOOK, MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO YOUR CO-WORKERS LIKE YOU HAVE THE FLU?

COLD VIRUSES, FLU VIRUSES, THEY ALL CAN DO SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR, WHICH IS THE INFLAMMATORY SORT OF STUFF THAT HAPPENS WITH AN INFECTION CAN LINGER ON WAY PAST THE INFECTION.

OKAY.

SO I THINK THAT WHAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE WILL GET LIKE A LITTLE VIRAL BRONCHITIS, VERY MILD, AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT LASTS FOR A LONG TIME.

SO THAT COUGH THAT GOES ON FOR A LONG TIME AFTER A COLD OR A FLU, CAN BE JUST THE LEFT OVER OF YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM TRYING TO FIGHT THAT COLD OR FLU AWAY.

I THINK WE'LL LEAVE IT ON THE THIS TOO SHALL PASS NOTE.

THIS TOO SHALL PASS.

DOCTOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US AND GIVING US SOME CLARIFY THROUGH THE FOG OF ALL THE SNEEZING AND THE COUGHING ABOUT THIS SEASON'S FLU.

THANK YOU.

> FOR MORE THAN 25 YEARS, THE NONPROFIT FISHER HOUSE FOUNDATION HAS PROVIDED FREE LODGING FOR MORE THAN 300,000 FAMILIES OF PATIENTS RECEIVING MEDICAL CARE AT MAJOR VA AND DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE HOSPITALS.

MORE THAN 70 FISHER HOUSES ACROSS AMERICA ALLOW FAMILIES OF SERVICE MEMBERS AND VETERANS TO BE CLOSE TO THEIR LOVED ONES DURING A MEDICAL CRISIS, TO FOCUS ON WHAT'S IMPORTANT, HEALING.

UP TO NINE MEMBERS OF A FAMILY CAN BE STAYING AT A FISHER HOUSE WITHOUT IT COSTING THEM ANYTHING.

THE NEW FACILITIES WILL PROVIDE TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR VETERANS AND FAMILY MEMBERS BEING TREATED AT THE BRONX VA AND THESE TWO HOUSES WILL BE ABLE TO SERVE NEARLY 12,000 FAMILIES A YEAR, SAVING THEM AROUND $12 MILLION.

WE'RE VERY PROUD TO WELCOME KEN FISHER, THE FOUNDER OF THE FISHER HOUSE, WHILE ALSO SERVING AS THE CO-MANAGING PARTNER AT FISHER BROTHERS, ONE OF NEW YORK AND THE COUNTRY'S MOST SUCCESSFUL REAL STATE DEVELOPMENT COMPANIES IN THE COUNTRY.

YOU AND YOUR FAMILY HAVE HAD SUCH EXTRAORDINARY SUCCESS AND IT BRINGS TO MIND THE NOTION OF DOING WELL AND BEING GOOD, OR BEING IN A POSITION TO DO GOOD.

HOW DID YOU FIRST GET FOCUSED ON THIS IDEA?

HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THE IDEA OF HERE'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO HELP?

WE NEED TO PROVIDE THIS HOUSING FOR FAMILY MEMBERS?

IT WAS FOUNDED BY MY LATE UNCLE ZACK FISHER BACK AROUND 1990.

WHEN THIS NEED WAS BROUGHT TO HIS ATTENTION, AND IT'S SUCH A BASIC UNDERAPPRECIATED NEED.

WHERE DOES A FAMILY OF A LOVED ONE STAY WHILE THEIR VETERAN IS IN THE HOSPITAL?

THESE ARE FAMILIES THAT CAN'T AFFORD HOTELS FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME.

SO WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT TO ZACK'S ATTENTION, ZACK BEING A DEVELOPER, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE, HAD ACCESS NOT ONLY TO CONTRACTORS BUT TO ARCHITECTS, AND YOU KNOW WHAT?

INSTEAD OF SITTING BACK AND WORRYING ABOUT HOW MANY UNMET NEEDS THERE ARE, ZACK DECIDED TO BECOME PART OF THE SOLUTION.

SO HE CALLED AN ARCHITECT AND THEY DESIGNED THE FIRST FEW HOUSES AND THE IDEA TOOK.

AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT SACRIFICES ARE BEING MADE EVERY SINGLE DAY BY THESE FAMILIES, THE ONES THAT ARE SERVING, THE ONES WHO HAVE SERVED, THESE ARE SACRIFICES THAT WE TAKE FOR GRANTED AND REALLY NEED TO BE HONORED.

AND THAT'S WHY WE WORK SO HARD AT THIS.

IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I KNOW I HAVE SEEN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS, WHERE WE ARE CERTAINLY FOCUSSING ON OUR VETERANS COMING BACK AND WHAT THEY NEED, BUT AS YOU JUST MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE WANT TO IGNORE THE FAMILIES, BUT YOU DON'T ALWAYS THINK OF THEIR ROLE, NOT JUST BEING THERE BUT IN THE HEALING PROCESS.

THE ENTIRE FAMILY SERVES, JACK, YOU KNOW THAT, YOU'VE BEEN AROUND THESE ISSUES FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

THE ENTIRE FAMILY SERVES.

BUT WHAT I ALWAYS SAY ABOUT THE PROGRAM AND HOW I DESCRIBE IT TO PEOPLE IS CAN YOU IMAGINE YOURSELF BEING IN THE HOSPITAL AND NOT HAVING YOUR FAMILY THERE?

AND YOU KNOW, I WOULD BET YOU THAT IT WOULD AFFECT NOT ONLY YOUR PHYSICAL HEALING, BUT YOUR MENTAL HEALING AS WELL.

IT'S NOT JUST THE HOSPITAL SETTING, IT'S ALSO WHEN THEY'RE RELEASED, THE REHABILITATION AND SO FORTH, THE FAMILY PLAYS A ROLE IN THAT TOO.

THAT'S WHY THERE ARE FISHER HOUSES IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS, WE HAVE HAD FAMILIES THAT HAVE USED TWO FISHER HOUSES, THEY HAVE GONE FROM A D.O.D. FACILITY TO A VA FACILITY WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN FISHER HOUSES.

WE HAVE HAD FAMILIES STAY AS LONG AS A YEAR IN COMBINED HOUSING BECAUSE THEY'VE GONE FROM THE HEALING PROCESS TO THE REHABILITATION PROCESS.

WHAT WE KNOW FOR A FACT IS THAT THESE MEN AND WOMEN ARE LIVING THROUGH CATASTROPHIC WOUNDS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FATAL IN, SAY, VIETNAM.

WHERE THE SURVIVAL RATE WAS ONLY 73%, NOW IT'S 95% OR HIGHER.

SO THESE MEN AND WOMEN ARE LIVING THROUGH THESE HORRIFIC WOUNDS, SO WHAT MEANS IS LONGER HOSPITAL STAYS AND LONGER REHABILITATIONS SO IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE DECIDED TO FOCUS ON AND REALLY BIG.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FISHER HOUSES SPECIFICALLY.

WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE?

HOW ARE THEY DESIGNED?

THEY'RE DESIGNED PRETTY MUCH THE SAME WAY ON THE INTERIOR, BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WORKS YOU REPRODUCE IT.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE INSIDE THE HOUSES SHARING THE DAY, THE GOOD, THE BAD.

WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE A FISHER HOUSE IS THAT A FAMILY IS FORMED.

WHEN THEY COME HERE THEY'RE NOT GIVING UP ANYTHING.

A TYPICAL HOME LIKE THE TWO IN THE BRONX WILL COST US ALMOST $6 MILLION A PIECE TO BUILD.

BECAUSE WE WANT THESE FACILITIES, THESE HOMES, IF YOU WILL, TO REALLY HONOR THE SACRIFICES THAT THESE FAMILIES HAVE MADE.

AND WHEN THEY WALK IN, IT'S ALWAYS A GREAT THRILL TO SEE THE LOOK ON THEIR FACE, HOW,WOW, I STAY HERE FOR FREE.

IT HELPS THEM.

THAT'S WHERE THEIR HEALING BEGINS.

AND YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR COMPANY FOR YEARS HAVE WORKED WITH THE FISHER HOUSES AND THE 'INVICTUS' GAMES, YOU HAVE BEEN THE EPITOME OF DOING GOOD, OF DOING WELL.

AND OUR SERVICE FAMILIES THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

AND FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE FISHER HOUSE FOUNDATION, PLEASE LOG ON TO OUR WEBSITE AT METROFOCUS.COM.

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> BEST OF FRIENDS AND BEST OF ENEMIES, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN AMERICA'S FOUNDING FATHERS THOMAS JEFFERSON AND JOHN ADAMS WAS ONE OF MUTUAL AS MIRROR RATION, RESPECT AND AT TIMES HATE TRESZ.

ADAMS A NEW ENGLAND PATRIOT AND OUR FIRST VICE PRESIDENT AND SECOND PRESIDENT WAS THE WORKHORSE OF THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS.

JEFFERSON, STATESMAN, WAS THE PRINCIPAL AUTHOR OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, OUR NATION'S THIRD PRESIDENT AND AN ARISTOCRATIC SOUTHERN SLAVE OWNER.

THEIR RELATIONSHIP HELPED TO BIRTH OUR NATION, WHILE THEIR SUBSEQUENT FALLOUT DID MUCH TO FIX ITS COURSE.

NOW FROM THE GREAT HISTORIAN OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, 'NEW YORK TIMES' BEST SELLING AND PULITZER PRIZE WINNING GORDON S.

WOOD COMES A NEW BOOK, TITLED FRIENDS DIVIDED WHICH EXAMINES THEIR COMPLICATED RELATIONSHIPS AND WHAT WE CAN LEARN FROM THEM.

LET ME START OFF WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE PERSONALITIES OF THESE TWO TOWERING, BUT VERY DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

LET'S START OFF WITH JOHN ADAMS.

HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE HIM?

IRASCIBLE, FACETIOUS, HE LOVED TO MAKE JOKES.

HE'S A VERY DIFFERENT CHARACTER FROM JEFFERSON, HE COULDN'T BE MORE DIFFERENT.

HE LOVED TO TALK, HE TURNED HIS CONVERSATIONS INTO ARGUMENTS.

HE WAS EXCITABLE, SHORT TEMPERED.

BUT HAD A -- HE LIKED TO RAZZ PEOPLE.

AND THAT WAS NOT JEFFERSON'S STYLE AT ALL.

TALK ABOUT JEFFERSON THEN.

HE TALKED WITH HIS ARMS ACROSS --

REALLY?

IT'S PART OF HIS RESERVED NATURE.

HE WAS UTTERLY POLITE.

HE MADE THAT PART OF HIS PERSONALITY.

OF COURSE HE DIDN'T ALWAYS LOVE THE PEOPLE HE TALKED ABOUT.

SO HE HAD A REPUTATION FOR BEING TWO-FACED.

BECAUSE HE WAS POLITE, YOU DON'T SAY WHAT YOU THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE POLITE.

AND ADAMS TENDED TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT WAS ON HIS MIND.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THEIR POLITICS THEN AND HOW DIFFERENT THEY WERE FROM EACH OTHER.

LET'S START AGAIN WITH JOHN ADAMS.

THEY HAD TWO THINGS IN COMMON, ONE SUPPORT FOR THE REVOLUTION, AND SUPPORT FOR AMERICA AND THE OTHER THING THEY HAD IN COMMON WAS THEIR HATRED OF HAMILTON.

THAT REALLY BONDED.

WHY?

WHAT WAS IT THAT GENERATED THAT INTENSE DISLIKE?

OF COURSE FOR JEFFERSON, A LOT REPRESENTED EVERYTHING HE DISLIKED, AND HAMILTON REPRESENTED A MODERN FISCAL STATE.

JEFFERSON IS THE ULTIMATE OPTIMIST, HE'S A POLLY ANNA ABOUT EVERYTHING, HE'S A REAL AMERICAN INNOCENT.

HE THINKS IF YOU COULD JUST GET RID OF THE MONARCHAL GOVERNMENT EVERYTHING WOULD WILL FINE.

WHAT ABOUT ADAMS.

HE'S A FEDERALIST, HE BELIEVED IN INEQUALITY, JEFFERSON BELIEVED THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUALLY.

LITERALLY.

AT LEAST ALL WHITE MEN.

AND ADAMS SAYS NO, THAT'S WRONG, ALL MEN ARE CREATED UNEQUAL.

ADAMS IS INTO NATURE NOT NURTURE, THE OPPOSITE FOR JEFFERSON.

JEFFERSON BELIEVED LIKE LOCKE THAT WE WERE A BLANK SLATE AND EXPERIENCE ETCHED ON THAT BLANK SLATE AND MADE US ALL DIFFERENT.

EXPERIENCE.

SO HE'S INTO NATURE NOT NURTURE AND THAT'S WHY EDUCATION IS SO IMPORTANT.

THEY'RE BROUGHT TOGETHER BY THEIR PASSION FOR THE REVOLUTION.

AND THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS.

AND ESTABLISHING A NATION HERE.

WHAT THEN BREAKS THEM APART?

WELL, POLITICS OF THE 1790s, ESSENTIALLY AND THE OUTBREAK OF THE FRENCH REVOLUTION, THEY DIFFER COMPLETELY ON THE FRENCH REVOLUTION.

JEFFERSON FEELS THE EXTENSION OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, IT WILL SPREAD AND IT WILL BE A FIRST OF A WAVE OF REPUBLICAN REVOLUTIONS, OR MAYBE YOU WOULD CALL THEM DEMOCRATIC REVOLUTIONS THAT WILL SWEEP THE WORLD.

AND THE GREAT HISTORICAL IRONY OF THEIR DEATHS?

THEY DIED ON THE SAME DAY, JULY 4, EXACTLY TWO YEARS, ON THE CELEBRATION OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.

THEY'RE DYING, THEY'RE BOTH ILL, AND THEY WANTED TO DIE ON THAT DAY.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WOULD BOTH DIE.

BUT JEFFERSON SAYS TO HIS DOCTOR, WHAT DAY IS IT?

AND THE DOCTOR SAID, IT'S JULY 3, AND JEFFERSON SAYS, OH, HE HANGS ON.

AND HE MAKES IT.

AND ADAMS DOES SOMETHING OF THE SAME SORT.

HE HAS NO IDEA HIS LAST WORDS WERE JEFFERSON SURVIVES.

TECHNICALLY, THAT'S NOT TRUE, BECAUSE JEFFERSON DIED FIVE HOURS EARLIER, BUT IN A LARGER, IMAGINATIVE SENSE, JEFFERSON DOES SURVIVE IN A WAY HE DOES NOT.

JEFFERSON IS A WORLD CLASS HERO.

HE'S GOT WORLD HERITAGE SITE MONT MONTICELLO, HE HAS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF VISITORS EVERY YEAR TO MONTICELLO, HE HAS THIS HUGE MONUMENT IN WASHINGTON, D.C., HE HAS A MODEST HOME UP IN QUINCY WHICH IS HARD TO GET TO, IT'S RUN BY THE NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE.

AGAIN, HE KNOWS HE'S NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE WITH MR. JEFFERSON.

BUT HE'S OKAY WITH IT.

AGAIN, IT'S CALLED 'FRIENDS DIVIDED, JOHN ADAMS AND THOMAS JEFFERSON.'

YOU ALMOST GET A FEELING THAT YOU'RE READING A NOVEL ABOUT THESE TWO MEN.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU BE WELL.

> IN 2012 AT THE AGE OF 27, AMBER CAME OUT TO HER FAMILY AS GAY.

AS A DAUGHTER OF A FOCUS ON THE FAMILY EXECUTIVE, TELLING HER TRUTH GAME INDEED AT A PRICE.

IN HER NEW BOOK CALLED 'FOCUSING ON THE FAMILY,' SHE SHEDS LIGHT ON THE ULTRACONSERVATIVE FAMILY AND THE LIBERATING JOY OF FINDING LOVE.

SHE TELLS HOW SHE DISCOVERED THE TRUE LOVE OF GOD.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

IT YOU TRIED TO CAPTURE IN A BOOK LIKE THIS SOMETHING OF THE BACKGROUND, IT'S HARD TO DO.

IT'S COMPLEX, AS YOU KNOW.

SO LET ME START BY ASKING YOU, JUST GIVE US A CAPSULIZATION OF HOW YOU GREW UP.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE ULTRACONSERVATIVE ORGANIZATION, YOUR FATHER WAS AN EXECUTIVE THERE FOR NEARLY 30 YEARS.

TELL US HOW THAT WOULD STRUCTURE YOUR YOUNGER LIFE.

WELL, YOU'RE RIGHT THAT HE DID WORK AT FOCUS ON THE FAMILY AND INDEED STILL DOES, SO THAT WAS REALLY ALL I KNEW GROWING UP.

I WAS HOMESCHOOLED K-12 AND REALLY WAS COCOONED IN THIS ULTRACONSERVATIVE BUBBLE THAT KEPT ME PROTECTED FROM THE OUTSIDE WORLD AND . I HAD NO IDEA HOW MUCH I WAS MISSING.

AND IN FACT PEOPLE WOULD ASK ME QUITE FREQUENTLY, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE KIND OF BEING KEPT FROM THE OUTSIDE WORLD?

DO YOU FEEL SHELTERED?

AND OF COURSE I SAID NO, I THOUGHT I WAS HAVING THE EPITOME OF A CHRISTIAN LIFE, EVERYONE LOOKED UP TO US AS THE ICON IT CHRISTIAN FAMILY, AND WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO HAVE JAMES DOBSON AND HOMESCHOOLING AND ALL THOSE THINGS AND TO ME THAT WAS THE PERFECT WORLD.

CLEARLY YOU HAVE THE CLARITY OF HINDSIGHT.

THE ABILITY TO LOOK BACK.

WHEN YOU WERE CRAVING AUTHENTICITY, DID YOU REALIZE THEN THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE CRAVING, OR IS IT NOW THAT YOU LOOK BACK ON ITS YOU'RE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT BETTER?

I THINK PROBABLY AROUND THE AGE OF 15, 16, I STARTED TO REALIZE THAT I WAS CRAVING AUTHENTICITY.

BECAUSE EMOTION WAS NEVER EXPRESSED IN OUR HOME.

SO THE EMOTIONS OF HAPPY AND EXCITED AND STUFF WERE ACCEPTABLE.

BUT EMOTIONS LIKE ANGER OR SADNESS WEREN'T ACCEPTABLE IN OUR HOME, SO I NEVER LEARNED HOW TO EXPRESS THE RANGE OF EMOTIONS IN A HEALTHY WAY.

SO I THINK WHEN I BECAME 16 OR SO, I STARTED TO REALIZE THAT, THAT I HAD SUPPRESSED SO MANY EMOTIONS FROM SUCH A YOUNG AGE, THAT I WAS CRAVING A WAY TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS THOSE EMOTIONS IN A VERY WELL WAY TO UPHOLD THE REPUTATION OF OUR FAMILY.

SO MUCH OF THIS BOOK IS NOT SO MUCH A RECITATION OF YOUR LIFE, BUT IT GIVES INSIGHTS, I THINK IT OFFERS SUGGESTIONS TO OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED LIFE THE SAME WAY YOU HAVE.

AND I WAS STRUCK BY AT THE VERY BEGINNING IN THE PRO LOGUE, YOU WRITE AT THE AGE OF 27, I HAD A SECRET, A SECRET I WAS AFRAID TO ADMIT EVEN TO MYSELF.

SO NOW YOU SAID AT AROUND 15 OR SO YOU STARTED SENSING YOU WERE DIFFERENT IN A WAY.

NOW YOU'RE 27 AND YOU'RE STILL WRESTLING WITH THIS SECRET.

WHAT WAS IT THAT FINALLY CAUSED YOU TO SAY I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A SECRET ANY LONGER?

I THINK IT WAS NOT ONLY THE CRAVE FOR AUTHENTICITY, BUT THE DETRIMENT IT WAS HAVING ON MY LIFE PERSONALLY.

KEEPING THAT SECRET WAS HOLDING ME CAPTIVE AND IT WAS CAUSING SUCH AN ARRAY OF EMOTIONS AND FEELINGS OF SELF-LOATHING AND SELF-HATRED AND SELF-INJURY AND DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY THAT I GOT TO THE POINT WHERE I KNEW IF I DIDN'T FACE THIS, IT WAS GOING TO KILL ME.

DID YOU TRULY BELIEVE THAT IT MIGHT COST YOU EVERYTHING IN TERMS OF YOUR FAMILY?

NO.

I FELT LIKE IT WAS A POSSIBILITY, BUT A FAR OUT PO POSSIBILITY.

I DIDN'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WOULD REALLY BE HAPPENING.

HOW DID YOU --

IT WAS A MUCH MORE EXTREME REACTION THAN I EXPECTED.

AND I DON'T THINK I WAS FULLY PREPARED FOR THAT.

AND IT WAS BASICALLY DISOWNING ME.

AND INITIALLY, WE TRIED TO BRIDGE THE GAP, WE TRIED TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS BUT IT WAS VERY TOXIC FROM THE BEGINNING AND MY PARENTS TOLD ME, WE FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GUYED, WE WOULD RATHER YOU TURN COMPLETELY AGAINST GOD THAN TO -- THEY IT WAS EXTREMELY HARD FROM THE GET-GO, THERE WAS NEVER THIS LET'S TRY AND UNDERSTAND ONE ANOTHER.

IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT CONVERSATION FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.

AND YOUR BOOK FOLLOWS THAT CONVERSATION, BUT AS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MINUTES WE HAVE HERE NOW, WHERE HAVE YOU GOTTEN TO IN TERMS OF THIS PERSONAL JOURNEY THAT YOU QUITE LITERALLY BEGAN BACK WHEN YOU WERE 27?

SO MUCH HAS CHANGED OBVIOUSLY, BUT I HAVE MET THE LOVE OF MY LIFE AND GOTTEN MARRIED AND SO THAT'S BEEN EXTREMELY WONDERFUL AND THE BEST THING I COULD EVER HAVE.

I MEAN AS FAR AS MY FAMILY, UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE NEVER RECONCILED SO THEY HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO ME IN YEARS, THEY HAVE NEVER MET CLARA, MY WIFE, AND WE HAVE NO CONTACT WHATSOEVER.

AT THE SAME TIME, I HAVE NEVER FELT MORE FREE OR MORE HAPPY OR MORE AT HOME IN MY OWN SKIN.

AND IT'S JUST THE BEST DECISION I COULD HAVE EVER MADE BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LIVE AUTHENTICALLY AND TO LIVE FREE AND HAPPY AND THAT'S CREATED SUCH A PEACE INSIDE OF ME TO FEEL LIKE I'M BRINGING MY WHOLE SELF TO THE PICTURE.

THE BOOK IS CALLED 'REFOCUSSING MY FAMILY' BEING CAST OUT AND DISCOVERING THE TRUE LOVE OF GOD.

IT'S A VERY REAL LOOK AT A COMPELLING JOURNEY THAT YOU TAKE US ON.

THANKS FOR SPENDING SOME TIME WITH US.

AND BE WELL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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