DE BLASIO – CUOMO FEUD

The feud between Mayor de Blasio and Governor Cuomo has been reignited and is firing up the leadership in Albany. New York Daily News Albany Bureau Chief, Kenneth Lovett joins us with the latest.

Aired on December 12, 2017. 

TRANSCRIPT

> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO METRO FOCUS.

MAYOR DE BLASIO HAS LAUNCHED NEW ATTACKS ON GOVERNOR CUOMO.

IT ALL FOCUSES ON THE GOVERNOR'S RECENT EFFORT WITH DE BLASIO CALLING THE PLANNED TRUCE NOTHING MORE THAN A CHARADE.

IT'S VERY CONVENIENT FOR HIM NOW AS HE'S RUNNING FOR TO BE IN THE GOOD GRACES OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

NOW HE'S GOING TO MOVE HEAVEN AND EARTH TO HAVE A DEMOCRATIC SENATE.

AND NOT SEE THEM REDISTRICT THE INTERESTS.

HE'S BEEN IN OFFICE SINCE 2011, HE COULD HAVE DONE THAT FROM THE BEGINNING.

THE ALBANY BUREAU CHIEF FOR THE NEW YORK DAILY NEWS.

HIS LATEST PIECE CALLS THE ATTACKS A REVENGE PLAN THAT SOME CLOSE TO THE MAYOR CHARACTERIZE AS HIS ATTEMPT TO KILL CUOMO'S ASPIRATIONS.

KEN, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

GOOD TO BE HERE.

ELABORATE ON WHAT THE RECENT SALVO BY THE MAYOR AGAINST THE GOVERNOR IS ALL ABOUT.

WHAT IS THIS TRUCE HE'S TRYING TO AFFECT AMONG THE SENATE DEMOCRATS.

THE SENATE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN FRACTURED INTO THREE PIECES FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, REALLY SINCE 2011.

YOU HAVE THE MAIN LINE DEMOCRATS, HAVE YOU A GROUP OF WHAT ARE NOW EIGHT BREAKAWAY DEMOCRATS, WHO ARE ALIGNED WITH THE REPUBLICANS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE A SINGLE DEMOCRAT FROM BROOKLYN WHO CAUCUSES WITH THE REPUBLICANS.

THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN PRESSURE TO GET THEM BACK TOGETHER, THE DEMOCRATS SO THEY CAN CONTROL THE CHAMBER, EVEN WHEN THE DEMOCRATS HAVE A NUMERICAL MAJORITY, THE REPUBLICANS HAVE MAINTAINED CONTROL, BECAUSE OF THE ALLIANCES THEY HAVE WITH THE BREAKAWAY DEMOCRATS.

IT'S GOTTEN EVEN WORSE SINCE THE ELECTION OF PRESIDENT INTERRUPT, THE PRESSURE HAS MOUNTED ON THE IDC TO RETURN TO THE FOLD.

THERE'S BEEN PRESSURE ON CUOMO TO DO SOMETHING.

AND THEN RECENTLY ALLIES TO THE GOVERNOR PUT A PLAN TOGETHER THAT WOULD DO JUST THAT.

IT WOULD -- THEY WOULD WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE COMING BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS WHICH IS IN THE SPRING, AND THEN THE GOVERNOR WOULD CALL A SPECIAL ELECTION ON A COUPLE OPEN SEATS.

WHEN THE DEMOCRATS WIN IT, THEY WOULD AGREE TO GET TOGETHER AND TRY TO CONTROL THE CHAMBER TOGETHER.

THE MAYOR SET IT TO CHARADE.

IS HE RIGHT?

I THINK THE GOVERNOR WANTS TO DO SOMETHING THIS TIME ARRANGE.

BECAUSE IT IS A RE-ELECTION YEAR, HE'S UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE FROM THE LEFT TO DO SOMETHING.

IF HE HAS PRESIDENTIAL ASPIRATIONS FOR 2020.

HE CAN'T GO TO OTHER STATES WHEN HE'S GOT A MESS WITH THE DEMOCRATS IN HIS OWN STATE AND THEN ASK FOR PRIMARY SUPPORT.

YOU SPOKE TO PEOPLE INSIDE DE BLASIO'S INNER CIRCLE.

WHAT DO THEY SAY IS THE MAYOR'S CALCULATION FOR REKINDLING THIS FEUD?

WHAT IS THE POLITICAL GAIN FOR HIM HERE?

THEY FEEL THE GOVERNOR HAS GONE OUT OF HIS WAY SINCE THE MAYOR TOOK OFFICE, TO REALLY BEAT ON THE MAYOR.

AND THE MAYOR'S EVEN HELPED HIM POLITICALLY IN 2014.

THE GOVERNOR WAS IN JEOPARDY OF LOSING THE PROGRESSIVE WORKING FAMILY'S PARTY NOMINATION.

THE MAYOR'S STEPPED IN AND HELPED THEM GET IT.

THE GOVERNOR AND HE HAVE FOUGHT.

AND THE GOVERNOR'S GONE OUT OF HIS WAY TO HURT THE MAYOR.

THE MAYOR WAS SAFELY RE-ELECTED EARLIER IN NOVEMBER.

OR IN NOVEMBER, HE'S GOT A SECOND AND FINAL TERM, BECAUSE HE'S TERM LIMITED IT OUT.

THE GOVERNOR IS GOING INTO HIS OWN ELECTION.

HE WANTS TO PRESSURE THE GOVERNOR TO GO MORE TO THE LEFT.

IT'S REVENGE IN THAT HE FEELS HE DOESN'T BELIEVE THE GOVERNOR'S ARE TRUE PROGRESSIVE, THE GOVERNOR WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO REALLY HURT HIM, HE'S GOING AFTER HIM THAT WAY.

IF HE CAN DAMAGE HIM FOR HIS NATIONAL ASPIRATIONS, THAT'S ALL THE BETTER.

A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK DE BLASIO HIMSELF WILL MATCH --

WHAT GIVES THE MAYOR THE IDEA THAT HE'S GOT THE CLOUD.

TO AFFECT REVENGE ON THE PRESIDENT.

HE'S A LAME DUCK.

HE WASN'T THAT POWERFUL IN ALBANY THE FIRST FOUR YEARS, SEASON THE HE LESS POWERFUL NOW?

THE PROBLEM FOR THE MAYOR IS MANY OF THE THINGS -- MAYORS WANT TO DO, HAVE TO RUN THROUGH ALBANY IF YOU WANT TO RAISE TAXES, CREATE A PR K PROGRAM AND FUND IT, IT ALL GOES THROUGH ALBANY.

IN THAT REGARD, HE'S RISK HIS LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE.

THE SENATE REPUBLICANS ALREADY HATE HIM, HE'S ALREADY ON RECORD FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS SAYING THE DEMOCRATS WILL TAKE CONTROL, HE'S WORKED AGGRESSIVELY AGAINST THEM.

THE GOVERNOR DOESN'T LIKE HIM.

AND EVEN LEGISLATIVE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT FANS OF HIS.

HE'S MADE THE POLITICAL CALCULATION, I'M NOT GOING TO GET MUCH THIS YEAR ANYWAY.

I'LL PUT OUT MY AGENDA, I DON'T EXPECT TO GET MUCH OF IT, IF I CAN WORK HARD AND GET THIS DEMOCRATIC SENATE, THAT'S GOING TO HELP THE CITY TO HAVE THE DEMOCRATIC ASSEMBLY FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS OF THIS TERM.

THE MAYOR NOT ONLY ATTACKED THE GOVERNOR, I MEAN, HE ATTACKED THE NEW YORK STATE GM DEMOCRATIC PARTY SAYING IT DOESN'T EXIST.

AND ATTACKED ALBANY IN GIN SAYING IT'S BROKEN.

WHAT'S BEEN THE REACTION FROM THE STATE HOUSE FROM BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS TO THAT?

THE PARTY IS THE GOVERNOR.

THE GOVERNOR CONTROLS THE PARTY, THE ATTACK ON THE PARTY WAS ALSO THE ATTACK ON THE GOVERNOR I THINK SOME PEOPLE WERE SURPRISED.

IT'S ABOUT TIME THEY SAID IT, THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN IT.

WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS, THE MAYOR WAS GOING TO GO ON AND ATTACK.

HE'S GOING TO CRITICIZE, UP HIS CRITICISM, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE FORCEFUL ABOUT THE GOVERNOR.

IN THE COMING YEAR.

AND HOW HAS THE GOVERNOR AND HIS PEOPLE -- HOW HAVE THE GOVERNOR AND HIS PEOPLE RESPONDED TO THE MAYOR'S RECENT ATTACKS?

THEY WEREN'T HAPPY.

THEY DISMISSED HIM A LOT OF THE TIMES AS INCOMPETENT.

THEY FEEL THAT, THEY TRY TO JUST HURT HIM PERSONALLY.

THAT WAS THE AMAZING THING, THE MAYOR'S BEEN CRITICAL OF THE GOVERNOR.

THEY FOUGHT OVER TRANSIT ISSUES, THEY FOUGHT OVER CERTAIN THINGS.

WHAT MADE THIS KIND OF SURPRISING, SINCE THE TERRORIST ATTACK IN NEW YORK CITY RECENTLY, THERE'S BEEN AT LEAST A PUBLIC DAY TANT.

THEY'VE BEEN WORKING A LITTLE BETTER TOGETHER.

THAT WAS A SURPRISE, AND HOW PERSONAL IT GOT.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE MAYOR GO ON THE ATTACK LIKE THAT SINCE 2015 AT THE END OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION WHERE HE HELD A PRESS CONFERENCE AT CITY HALL AND ACCUSED OF GOVERNOR OF GOV AMERICANING BY VENDETTA.

WHAT'S BEEN THE EFFECT IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS OF THIS FEUD.

WHAT'S BEEN THE EFFECT ON THE RESIDENTS OF NEW YORK CITY.

HAS IT MADE IT IN ANYWAY EASIER OR HAS IT MADE IT A LOT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THE MAYOR TO GET WHAT THE CITY NEEDS FROM ALBANY.

IN THE HOME OF BROADWAY, IT'S GOOD THEATER FOR ONE I THINK IT'S HARD BECAUSE THE SENATE DEMOCRATS ARE MOSTLY FROM NEW YORK CITY.

BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR'S POLITICAL BASE IS LARGELY IN NEW YORK CITY.

IT WOULD BE HARD FOR HIM TO EXACT REVENGE THAT WOULD DAMAGE THE CITY.

WE'VE SEEN SOME PROBLEMS.

YOU KNOW, THEY HELD DUALING PRESS CONFERENCES ON LEGIONNAIRES DISEASE AND GAVE OUT CONFLICTING INFORMATION.

THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHEN THE MAYOR.

THE GOVERNOR SHUT THE SUBWAY SYSTEM AND DIDN'T TELL THE MAYOR UNTIL THE LAST SECOND.

THERE'S BEEN THAT KIND OF THING, AND THE GOVERNOR HAS TRIED TO SHIFT STATE FUNDING AND OTHER THINGS ON TO THE CITY.

THE GOVERNOR SAYS THE CITY SHOULD BE PAYING MORE FOR MASS TRANSIT.

THE MAYOR SAYS THAT'S THE STATE'S JOB.

THERE'S BEEN ISSUES OF FUNDING FOR MASS TRANSIT.

THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE, EDUCATION FUNDING THE MAYOR WOULD ARGUE IS NOT AS PLENTIFUL FOR THE CITY, BECAUSE THE SENATE REPUBLICANS THAT HE BELIEVES THE GOVERNOR IS EMBOLDENING ARE IN CHARGE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE.

BECAUSE THESE TWO GUYS ARE BOTH DEMOCRATS.

AND REMEMBER WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW GOOD FRIENDS THEY WERE SINCE THEY HAD WORKED TOGETHER.

ANYWAY, KEN WE HAVE TO END IT THERE.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY.

ANY TIME.

DO WELL.

Funders

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