August 25, 2017: TONIGHT ON METROFOCUS

It’s been more than 20 years since TWA Flight 800 crashed 12 minutes after take off, off of Long Island, leaving death and unanswered questions in its wake.  We’ll look at the claims, and the testimonials, that we may have never gotten the true story of how and why 230 people died that fateful night. With the new school year comes hopes and dreams of college for high school seniors and juniors and their parents.  But the New York Times’s Frank Bruni has some sobering news:  where you go is not who you will be.  He’s here to discuss his best-selling book “Where You Go Is Not Who You’ll Be:  An Antidote to the College Admissions Mania.” The lovely and talented Broadway icon Kristin Chenoweth stops by for a visit to discuss her latest album, “The Art of Elegance.”

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> TONIGHT ON 'METROFOCUS,' IT'S BEEN MORE THAN 20 YEARS SINCE TWA FLIGHT 800 CRASHED OFF THE COAST OF LONG ISLAND, JUST 12 MINUTES AFTER TAKEOFF, LEAVING DEATH AND UNANSWERED QUESTIONS IN ITS WAKE.

IN A MOMENT, A LOOK AT THE CLAIMS THAT WE MAY NEVER HAVE GOTTEN THE TRUE STORY OF HOW AND WHY 230 PEOPLE DIED ON THAT FATEFUL NIGHT.

> WITH A NEW SCHOOL YEAR COMES HOPES AND DREAMS FOR COLLEGE FOR HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS AND JURORS AND THEIR PARENTS.

BUT FRANK BROKENY HAS SOME SOBERING NEWS.

WHERE YOU GO IS NOT WHO YOU WILL BE.

HE IS HERE IS A VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR ALL.

> AND THE WONDERFUL AND TALENTED BROADWAY ICON, KRISTEN CHENOWETH, STOPS BY FOR A VISIT.

ALL THAT AND MORE AS 'METROFOCUS' STARTS RIGHT NOW.

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> THIS IS 'METROFOCUS.'

WITH RAFAEL P. ROMAN, JACK FORD.

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TO THIS DAY, IT REMAINS BOTH ONE OF THE GREATEST AVIATION MISSION MYSTERIES IN HISTORY AND A DEEPLY PERSONAL TRAGEDY IN OUR AREA.

JUST OVER 20 YEARS AGO, FLIGHT 800 TOOK OFF FROM JOHN F.

KENNEDY INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, HEADED FOR PARIS.

12 MINUTES LATER, THE BOEING 747 JETLINER EXPLODED OFF THE COAST OF LONG ISLAND, KILLING ALL 230 PEOPLE ON BOARD.

AFTER A LENGTHY INVESTIGATION, NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD FOUND THAT THE PLANE CAME DOWN AFTER A SHORT-CIRCUIT LED TO AN EXPLOSION ON BOARD.

BUT NOT EVERYONE HAS AGREED WITH THAT CONCLUSION.

NEWS12 LONG ISLAND RECENTLY WENT BACK AND INTERVIEWED MANY OF THOSE INVOLVED WITH THE CASE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED.

HERE'S A LOOK AT SOME OF WHAT THEY FOUND.

WE JUST SAW AN EXPLOSION OUT HERE.

TWA 800.

16,000 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

JUST WENT DOWN.

TWA 800, IDENT.

I THINK THAT WAS HIM.

I THINK SO.

AT 8:31 P.M. ON JULY 17th, 1996, 230 PEOPLE DIED WHEN TWA FLIGHT 800 EXPLODED MID-AIR AND FELL INTO THE OCEAN.

AFTER AN INVESTIGATION BY THE NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD, THE FBI AND THE CIA, THE OFFICIAL REPORT CONCLUDED THAT A SPARK IN THE 747 CENTER WING FUEL TANK LIKELY CAUSED THE EXPLOSION.

BUT AGAIN, NO EVIDENCE OF AN EXPLOSION, JUST FROM LOOKING AT THE BOXES.

CERTAINLY CAN'T TELL.

WE COULDN'T TELL --

IT WAS BECAUSE THE WAY THE AIRCRAFT HAD EXPLODED, PORTIONS OF THE AIRCRAFT CONTINUED.

NOSE PIECE FELL OFF AND THEN THE BULK OF THE AIRCRAFT.

BUT NUMEROUS EYE-WITNESSES, ALONG WITH MEMBERS OF THE INVESTIGATION ITSELF, SAY THAT CONCLUSION IS WAY OFF COURSE.

THERE IS MORE THAN PLENTY WITNESS EVIDENCE THAT THERE WERE TWO MISSILES FIRED AT SEA, AND ONE MISSILE FIRED FROM SHORE.

AND WE ALL LOOKED OUT THE WINDOW, AND WE SAW A LARGE FIREBALL COMING UP OUT OF THE WATER.

DEBRIS GOING OUT THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE AIRPORT IN EXCESS OF MACH 4.

HENRY HUGHES WAS THE SENIOR ACCIDENT INVESTIGATOR FOR THE NTSB AT THE CRASH SITE.

HE SAYS RADAR TRACES SHOW PIECES OF WRECKAGE ROCKETING AWAY FROM THE JET AT THREE TO FOUR TIMES THE SPEED OF SOUND.

HE ALSO POINTS TO CHEMICALS FOUND ON THE SEATS AND PORTIONS OF THE FUSELAGE.

THE GOVERNMENT CALLED IT GLUE.

HE SAYS IT WAS EXPLOSIVE MATERIAL.

HUGHES BELIEVES THERE'S NO DOUBT SOMETHING HIT TWA FLIGHT 800.

THAT'S AN EXPLOSION THAT OCCURRED EXTERNAL TO THE AIRPLANE, AND WE KNOW THAT FROM LOOKING AT THE VICTIMS, AND THE INTERIOR.

EVERY YEAR ON THE ANNIVERSARY, FRIENDS AND FAMILY GATHER HERE AT THE MEMORIAL TO REMEMBER THOSE LOST IN THE CRASH.

IT'S AN OMINOUS TRIBUTE TO THE THIRD-MOST DEADLY AVIATION ACCIDENT IN THE U.S.

HOWEVER, FOR MANY, THE QUESTION WHETHER IT WAS AN ACCIDENT REMAINS.

MORE THAN 200 PEOPLE CLAIM THE NIGHT OF THE CRASH THEY SAW A BRIGHT LIGHT HEAD UP INTO THE SKY, ARCH ABOVE AND THEN HEAD DIRECTLY TOWARD FLIGHT 800.

AND NONE OF THOSE WITNESSES WERE EVER ALLOWED TO PUBLICLY TESTIFY AT THE NTSB HEARINGS.

THE OFFICIAL REPORT IS SOMEBODY'S FANTASY.

FRED MEYER IS A RETIRED AIR NATIONAL GUARD HELICOPTER PILOT AND DECORATED VIETNAM VETERAN.

HE WAS FLYING A PRACTICE APPROACH AT THE AIRPORT NEAR WEST HAMPTON THE NIGHT OF THE CRASH.

DIRECTLY AHEAD OF ME, MY SCAN PICKS UP A ROCKET PLUME MOVING ABOUT 10 DEGREES ABOVE THE HORIZON, MOVING FROM MY LEFT CENTER TO MY FURTHER LEFT.

THOSE WERE CLEARLY FOUR MISSILES.

EXPLOSIONS OF FOUR MISSILES.

OR ANTI AIRCRAFT WEAPONS.

CRITICS OF THE OFFICIAL FINDINGS POINT TO SOME OF THE DAMAGE IN THE FUSELAGE AS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE MISSILE STRIKE THAN AN INTERNAL EXPLOSION.

HOWEVER, JIM HALL, CHAIRMAN OF THE NTSB AT THE TIME, STILL STANDS BY THE REPORT.

THERE WAS ENOUGH EVIDENCE THERE.

I REVIEWED EVERY PIECE OF INFORMATION.

EVERYTHING THAT YOU MENTIONED WAS REVIEWED BY EVERYONE INVOLVED.

BUT HUGHES, A VETERAN GOVERNMENT CRASH EXPERT, SAYS THIS INVESTIGATION WAS ANYTHING BUT NORMAL.

EVERYTHING FROM PEOPLE BREAKING INTO MY HANGAR AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING AND REMOVING PARTS, PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T AUTHORIZED TO, I MIGHT ADD.

THE FBI CAUGHT THEIR OWN PEOPLE BREAKING IN, AND DIDN'T -- SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHY THEY WERE DOING IT.

THE WHOLE THING WAS CONTROLLED.

OUR AGENCY DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB AT THE TIME.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT PURPOSE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE MAY HAVE IN TRYING TO KEEP THE MATTER ALIVE.

20 YEARS HAS DONE NOTHING TO CALM THE WATERS BETWEEN THE OFFICIAL FINDINGS OF THE GOVERNMENT AND THOSE WHO REMAIN ON BOARD WITH A MISSILE THEORY.

THIS WAS ON AMERICAN SOIL.

ON A BEAUTIFUL SUMMER DAY.

AND 230 PEOPLE ON A COMMERCIAL AIRLINER WERE KILLED WHEN IT WAS SHOT DOWN OFF LONG ISLAND.

JOINING US NOW WITH MORE ON THE NEWS12 LONG ISLAND INVESTIGATION IS BRAD TRITINE, THE PRODUCER OF THE PIECE YOU JUST WATCHED.

WELCOME AND THANK YOU.

LOOKING AT THIS STORY FROM 20 YEARS AGO, WHAT WERE YOU HOPEFUL YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH?

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MY NEWS DIRECTOR WANTED TO GET IN THE PIECE.

NEWS12 COVERED IT FROM THE BEGINNING.

WE HAD PEOPLE THERE THAT NIGHT AND WE COVERED EVERY MAJOR UPDATE AS WELL AS ALL THE ANNIVERSARIES.

SO WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THE FAMILIES IN THERE.

20 YEARS LATER.

IT WAS DIFFICULT TO GET THOSE.

WE WANTED TO GET LESSONS LEARNED, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS THE LEGACY OF THIS CATASTROPHE.

AND WANTED TO JUST LOOK AT THE MISSILE THEORY AND SEE, YOU KNOW -- LOOK AT BOTH SIDES.

THERE'S BEEN SOME NEWS SINCE THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WITH THAT, AND WE WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE LATEST WAS.

AS YOU KNOW, PUTTING A STORY LIKE THIS TOGETHER, YOU'RE NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO END UP, WHERE THE STORY IS GOING TO TAKE YOU.

WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT PARTICULARLY SURPRISED YOU ONCE YOU PUT THIS WHOLE THING TOGETHER?

MOST SURPRISING THING WAS WHAT I LEARNED PUTTING TOGETHER THE PIECE WE JUST SAW.

I WAS VERY YOUNG WHEN IT HAPPENED.

BUT I DO REMEMBER THAT NIGHT WATCHING IT ON TV.

I REMEMBER WATCHING JIM CALSTROM PRESS CONFERENCES.

AS A KID I WAS INVOLVED IN THE NEWS AND I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT THIS FUEL TANK EXPLOSION.

WORKING ON THIS, I WASN'T REALLY INTO MISSILE THEORIES, I'M NOT A BIG CONSPIRACY THEORY PERSON, VERY SKEPTICAL.

BUT TALKING TO THE PEOPLE, HAD THE BENEFIT OF SPEAKING WITH SOMEBODY LIKE HANK HUGHES, WHO RECENTLY RETIRED AND IS SPEAKING OUT -- SPEAKING WITH THE MEDICAL EXAMINER WHO RECENTLY SPOKE OUT.

SO SPEAKING WITH THEM AND THEN SPEAKING WITH A JIM HALL TYPE.

JIM HALL, ASKING HIM WAS THERE ANY PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF A CENTER FUEL TANK EXPLOSION AND HE SAID NO.

GOT VERY DEFENSIVE.

SPEAKING WITH THE FAA WHEN I WAS IN WASHINGTON ABOUT -- THEY SAID NO, IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET ANY KIND OF THING IN PLACE, BECAUSE HE SAID, QUOTE, THE NTSB DID THEIR BEST TO PUT THEIR FINGER ON IT, BUT NEVER IDENTIFIED THE ACTUAL CAUSE.

AND THEN YOU TALK TO SOMEBODY LIKE HANK HUGHES, WHO HAS EVIDENCE SHOWING THE PEOPLE THE DAMAGE WAS ONLY ON THE OUTSIDE.

THE SEATS ON THE CENTER FUEL TANK WERE FINE.

THE MEDICAL EXAMINER SAYS THE CAUSE OF DEATH FOR ALL THOSE 230 PEOPLE ARE STILL UNDETERMINED, BECAUSE HE SAID IT ABSOLUTELY WASN'T A FUEL TANK EXPLOSION.

THERE'S NO SOOT IN THEIR LUNGS, NO SMOKE.

PEOPLE PASSED AWAY FROM FALLING OUT OF THE AIRPLANE.

THE DAMAGE TO THE INDIVIDUAL PASSENGERS WERE ONES ON THE OUTSIDE, CONSISTENT WITH AN EXPLOSION TEEXERROR OF THE PLANE, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CENTER FUEL TANK AND I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT.

AND THE FAA ADMITTED THERE WAS NO DETERMINATION, THAT THEY PUT THEIR FINGER ON THE MOST LIKELY THING.

THE FBI INVOLVEMENT WAS SURPRISING.

ASKING JIM HALL, HE JUST SAID THAT, WELL, THEY HAD MANPOWER.

THE CIA WAS INVOLVED, FBI WAS INVOLVED.

THERE WAS OVER 500 WITNESSES WHO SAW THE MISSILE.

AND THESE WERE VERY CREDIBLE WITNESSES.

MARINERS, PILOTS, CONSISTENT THINGS OF WHAT THEY SAW.

I WAS WITH NBC NEWS AT THE TIME.

I WAS DOWN AT THE OLYMPICS, THE ATLANTA OLYMPICS COVERING THE ATLANTA OLYMPICS WHEN MSNBC HAD JUST GOTTEN UP ON THE AIR.

SO EVERYBODY WAS INVOLVED IN SOME WAY IN THE COVERAGE.

AND I'M STRUCK BY HOW 20 YEARS LATER, THERE'S STILL NO RESOLUTION.

AND INDEED, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PEOPLE YOU TALK ABOUT, FOLKS SEEM EVEN MORE CONSISTENT AND MORE ADAMANT THAN EVER ABOUT NO, THIS WASN'T CAUSED BY A SHORT-CIRCUIT.

THIS WAS CAUSED BY SOMETHING MUCH MORE NEFARIOUS.

AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS TO YOU AS A JOURNALIST LOOKING AT IT, WERE YOU STRUCK BY, AGAIN, HOW ADAMANT THESE PEOPLE ARE?

IN TAKING A POSITION THAT THIS WAS NOT -- THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN THE WAY THE BOARD SAID IT HAPPENED.

AS A JOURNALIST, YOU ALWAYS LOOK AT PEOPLE'S MOTIVES.

WHY WOULD THIS PERSON HAVE A MOTIVE TO SAY THAT?

INVESTIGATORS RESEARCHED THE INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED AND THAT I SPOKE WITH THAT WERE PUSHING THAT -- LIKE YOU SAID.

AND IT SEEMED TO ME LIKE THE MEDICAL EXAMINER JUST KEPT UP AT NIGHT ABOUT THE FACT HE HAS 230 PEOPLE HE'S WORKED ON WHERE IT'S STILL LEFT UNDETERMINED.

HE SAID IF IT WAS AN ACCIDENT WHERE THE NAVAL -- MISFIRED A MISSILE, IT WOULD BE ACCIDENTAL.

IF IT WAS A TERRORIST, IT WOULD BE MURDER.

BUT HE SAYS HE'S NEVER HAD SOMETHING WHERE THE INVESTIGATIVE BODY NEVER LISTENED TO HIM.

USUALLY THEY FACTOR IN WHAT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER SAYS.

WHAT THE NTSB SAYS.

THE -- THEY DIDN'T FACTOR INTO IT.

IT WAS BASICALLY COMING FROM THE FBI.

THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, TRY TO BE OBJECTIVE.

YOU HAVE THE CAMERAMAN, THE EDITORS INVOLVED.

THEY DON'T REALLY GET INVOLVED WITH THE EDITORIAL PROCESS.

THEY'RE INVOLVED IN TECHNICAL THINGS BUT AFTER GOING TO D.C.

AND VIRGINIA, INTERVIEWING THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND IN THE CAR HEARING THEM SAY, WOW, REALLY MORE LOOKS LIKE THIS THAN THIS, AND IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW -- REALLY HOLDING BOTH PARTIES ACCOUNTABLE THAT IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE FINAL FINDINGS WERE.

AND THE FINAL FINDINGS WEREN'T BASED ON ANYTHING SCIENTIFIC.

JIM HALL SAID EARLIER IN THE '90s HE WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL 500 MILES OF CABLE AND FIND ONE.

AND HE DIDN'T.

AND REMEMBER, THIS WAS A HUGE INVESTIGATION.

THEY RECONSTRUCTED THAT WHOLE THING AND PICKED UP EVERY LITTLE PIECE.

THIS WAS THE MOST --

FASCINATING TO SEE --

SINGLE INVESTIGATION, AND THEY COULD NOT FIND THAT THING.

AND PEOPLE I SPOKE WITH IN THE AVIATION INDUSTRY JUST SAY NO WAY.

IF THAT WAS THE CASE, YOU WOULD HAVE 747s GROUNDED IMMEDIATELY.

AND THE FACT IT TOOK SO LONG.

LAST QUESTION FOR YOU.

HAVING LOOKED AT THIS THROUGH THE PRISM OF 20 YEARS, DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE THAT THEY'LL EVER -- THERE WILL EVER BE ANY FINAL DEFINITIVE RESOLUTION OF WHAT CAUSED FLIGHT 800 TO GO DOWN?

IT MIGHT JUST BE ONE OF THOSE STORIES THAT GOES DOWN IN HISTORY WITH A QUESTION MARK.

I THINK THE FAMILIES THAT I SPOKE TO, THE VICTIMS, YOU KNOW -- IT'S GONE.

THEY WANT IT TO KIND OF GO AWAY.

YOU KNOW, SOME SPOKE TO US BECAUSE IT WAS THE ANNIVERSARY.

THEY DON'T WANT TO GET INTO WHAT HAPPENED.

A LOT OF THE WITNESSES WHO SPOKE EARLIER ARE NOW WORRIED OR SCARED.

THEY WOULD ONLY TALK TO US -- [ NO AUDIO ]

GREAT WORK BY YOU FOLKS OUT THERE.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

YOU TAKE CARE.

COLLEGE OF THEIR DREAMS, HOURS OF TUTORING FOR THEIR S.A.T.s AND A.C.T.s.

THE PAYOFF HAS BEEN INCREASING LIE A REJECTION LETTER FROM THE MOST ELITE SCHOOLS IN THE WORLD.

IT'S A HARD LOAD FOR MANY KIDS AND THEIR PARENTS.

BUT WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, DOES THE COLLEGE YOU ATTEND REALLY DETERMINE YOUR FUTURE SUCCESS?

'NEW YORK TIMES' FRANK GOONY ARGUES IT DOES NOT AND HOPES TO DISPEL WHAT HE CALLS THE ADMISSIONS MANIA.

IN THE UPDATED AND EXPANDED EDITION OF HIS BOOK, WHERE YOU GO IS NOT WHO YOU WILL BE.

FRANK ROONEY JOINS US NOW.

WELCOME.

THANK YOU.

I SHOULD ALSO SAY THE HARD-COVER VERSION OF THE BOOK WAS A 'NEW YORK TIMES' BEST-SELLER.

VERY FORTUNATE, YEAH.

SO WHAT MOTIVATED YOU TO WRITE THIS BOOK IN THE FIRST PLACE?

I HAVE A BUNCH OF NIECES AND NEPHEWS, MANY FRIENDS WHOSE KIDS ARE AGES OF GOING TO HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE.

AND THE FRENZY, THE OBSESSIVENESS, THIS COMPULSION TO GET INTO THE MOST SELECTIVE SCHOOL POSSIBLE IS OFF THE CHARTS THESE DAYS.

AND YET WHEN I LOOK AROUND ME, AND I'M A JOURNALIST.

I'VE INTERVIEWED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN SCORES OF PROFESSIONS.

AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHAT MADE THEM SUCCESSFUL, THERE IS NOT A COMMON LINK OF HAVING GONE TO A CONVENTIONALLY ELITE SELECTIVE SCHOOL.

AND SO THIS BELIEF THAT YOUR FUTURE CAN BE MADE SIMPLY BY GOING TO A SELECTIVE SCHOOL OR UNMADE BY BEING REJECTED SO INCONSISTENT WITH REAL LIFE I NEEDED TO SHOUT THAT OUT.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL THE MANIA, THE EXAGGERATED VERSION OF THINKING IT MATTERS SO MUCH.

AND WHO IS CAUGHT UP IN THIS MANIA?

YOU KNOW, IT'S LARGELY AFLUENT KIDS AND THEIR PARENTS BUT IT FANS OUT TO ALL OF SOCIETY.

IT'S PEOPLE WHO ARE ACHIEVEMENT-ORIENTED, AMBITIOUS AND THINK THE ONLY WAY THEY'RE GOING TO ATTAIN THEIR DREAMS AND THE ONLY WAY THEY'RE GOING TO REACH THE PINNACLE OF SUCCESS IS IF THEY GET INTO ONE OF THESE SCHOOLS THAT HAS AN ACCEPTANCE RATE OF 10% OR 7% OR IN THE CASE OF STANFORD NOW, 5%. AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IF YOU ARE HITCHING YOUR DREAMS AND YOUR SELF WORTH TO A 5% ACCEPTANCE RATE, YOU ARE SIMPLY SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR FAILURE.

AND I WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU CAN GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITHOUT STANFORD.

BUT FRANK, HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THE MANY PEOPLE WHO WILL TELL YOU THIS MANIA IS JUSTIFIED?

FOR EXAMPLE, THE LAST FOUR PRESIDENTS ABOUT IVY-LEAGUERS.

IS THAT JUST A COINCIDENCE?

NO, IT'S NOT JUST A COINCIDENCE BUT I'M REALLY GLAD YOU ASKED THAT.

TWO OF THOSE PRESIDENTS WERE BUSHES.

THEIR FOR BEARERS WENT TO YALE, WHICH IS WHERE THEY WENT.

DID YALE MAKE THEM PRESIDENTS OR DID THEY END UP AT YALE BECAUSE OF A BLOOD LINE AND A TRAJECTORY THAT WAS GOING TO LEAD TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND YALE WAS JUST A STOP ALONG THE WAY?

WE SAY, OH, ALL THE PRESIDENTS HAVE GONE TO IVY LEAGUE SCHOOLS.

AS IF IVY LEAGUE SCHOOLS MADE THE PRESIDENTS.

I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK IN MANY OF THOSE SITUATIONS AND HOPEFULLY SOMEDAY WE'LL SAY WOMEN TOO, THEY WERE BOUND FOR THAT SORT OF FUTURE AND THEY HAPPENED TO GO THROUGH THE IVY LEAGUE.

SO WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT CAUSATION VERSUS CORRELATION.

SO YOU ALSO LOOKED AT TOP TEN FORTUNE 500 COMPANY CEOs BACK IN 2014, AND WHAT DID YOU FIND?

OF THE TEN LARGEST COMPANIES, THE CEOs OF THOSE COMPANIES ONLY ONE OF THEM WENT TO A SCHOOL THAT YOU OR I OR ANYONE ELSE WOULD CONSIDER CONVENTIONALLY ELITE AND THE REST WENT TO STATE WHEN YOU LOOK AT SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE, IT'S VERY RELEVANT WHAT THEY PUT INTO THEIR COLLEGE EDUCATION.

HOW THEY SPENT THAT TIME.

MUCH LESS RELEVANT WHERE THAT SCHOOL WAS OR WHETHER ITS NAME MADE YOUR HEARTBEAT FASTER.

SO ELABORATE ON THAT.

WHAT DOES MAKE FOR FUTURE SUCCESS?

THERE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN SOME STUDIES AND THERE IS A WONDERFUL PROJECT CALLED THE GALLUP PURDUE INDEX.

PEOPLE WHO TEND TO GET DEEPLY INVOLVED IN COLLEGE DO BETTER LATER ON.

PEOPLE WHO DEVELOP A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH A PROFESSOR WHO IS A MENTOR TEND TO DO BETTER.

AND IF YOU GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT SEEM TO AUGER BETTER SUCCESS THEY'RE ALL MEASURES OF ENGAGEMENT.

PEOPLE WHO GET FULLY ENGAGED IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND COMMIT TO IT AND ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT IT, THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL, WHETHER THEY WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS OR M.I.T.

ALL MY FRIENDS ARE EXAMPLES OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

NEVERTHELESS, I MYSELF WHO WAS GUILTY OF THIS DELUSION.

WHERE DOES THE DELUSION COME FROM?

A SELECTIVE REALITY.

WE TELL A SELECTIVE AND UNTRUE STORY.

TAKE THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE.

IF YOU WENT OUT AND ASKED PEOPLE READING UP ON IT FAIRLY WELL, WHERE DID TED CRUZ GO TO COLLEGE, HE'LL TELL YOU HE WENT TO PRINCETON.

IF YOU ASK WHERE DID MARCO RUBIO GO TO COLLEGE, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, BECAUSE EVERY PROFILE ABOUT TED CRUZ TELLS YOU HE WENT TO PRINCETON AS IF THAT EXPLAINS HIS SUCCESS.

THE PROFILES OF MARCO RUBIO DON'T TELL YOU WHERE HE WENT TO SCHOOL.

BECAUSE IT WASN'T A BIG BRAND NAME SCHOOL.

AND THAT SOMEHOW IS SEEN AS IRRELEVANT OR CONTRADICTORY.

BUT IT HAD EVERY BIT AS MUCH TO DO WITH THE MAN HE BECAME AS PRINCETON DID.

UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI, AFTER --

WELL, NO, UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.

BUT THAT'S THE THIRD COLLEGE HE WENT TO.

HE STARTED OUT AT A PLACE IN MISSOURI, WHICH DOESN'T EVEN EXIST ANY MORE AS A FULL-FLEDGED FOUR-YEAR COLLEGE AND THEN COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND ONLY THEN DID HE GRADUATE -- AND NO ONE HEARS ABOUT THAT.

THAT HAS EVERY MUCH TO DO AS PRINCETON.

HOW DO WE HEAL THIS MANIA BESIDES WRITING BOOKS LIKE THIS?

BUY BOOKS LIKE THIS.

WE TELL THE WHOLE STORY.

WE TALK IN A MUCH, MUCH MORE HONEST, FULL WAY ABOUT HOW PEOPLE GET WHERE THEY'RE GETTING IN LIFE.

AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS IT HAS TO DO WITH THINGS THEY DID IN HIGH SCHOOL, THINGS THEY DO AFTER COLLEGE.

IT'S SO STRANGE TO ME THAT WE ATTRIBUTE THIS MAGICAL POWER TO THESE FOUR YEARS OF COLLEGE OR FOR SOME PEOPLE FIVE OR SIX.

AS IF IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT YEARS OF LIFE.

THEY'RE IMPORTANT YEARS, BUT SO ARE THE YEARS THAT CAME BEFORE, THE YEARS THAT COME AFTER.

AND WE HAVE TO STOP GIVING KIDS THE MESSAGE THIS ONE JUNK AT YOUR IS GOING TO DETERMINE THEIR ENTIRE FUTURE.

FRANK, YOUR BOOK IS 'WHERE YOU GO IS NOT WHO YOU'LL BE, AN ANTIDOTE TO THE COLLEGE ADMISSIONS MANIA.'

IT'S A GREAT BOOK AND DISPELS THE ILLUSION THAT HURTS US ALL.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

> WE LOVED HER IN 'WICKED' AND 'GLEE' BUT NOW THE EMMY AND TONY AWARD WINNING ACTRESS KRISTEN CHENOWETH IS SHOWING US THE ART OF ELEGANCE WITH HER ALBUM OF AMERICAN SONG BOOK CLASSICS.

TAKE A LISTEN.

♪♪ ♪ I GET ALONG WITHOUT YOU VERY WELL ♪♪ ♪ OF COURSE I DO

IT'S A SOUND THAT ONLY COMES FROM LIFE.

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ♪ UP HERE ANY MORE IT'S MAYBE GOING TO BE DOWN HERE A LITTLE BIT.

AND THAT CAN ONLY COME THROUGH EXPERIENCE, HARDSHIP, GRATEFULNESS AND THAT'S WHY I'M READY TO SING THIS MUSIC.

AND WE ARE VERY PLEASED TO HAVE KRISTEN CHENOWETH JOINING US NOW.

I DON'T OFTEN GUSH OVER MY GUESTS, BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU HOW THRILLED WE ARE TO HAVE YOU HERE WITH US.

THANK YOU.

IT'S JUST A DELIGHT TO MEET YOU AND HAVE YOU HERE.

LET'S START OFF WITH THE ALBUM.

MENTIONED TO YOU MY WIFE AND I LISTENED TO IT, AND THE SENSE WE GOT WAS WE WERE SITTING IN OUR LIVING ROOM AND YOU WERE OVER IN THE CORNER IN THE PIANO SINGING TO US.

THAT'S THE WAY IT FELT.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED.

WELL, WHERE DID -- I'M ALWAYS FASCINATED BY TITLES.

'THE ART OF ELEGANCE.'

WHY DOES ELEGANCE ENTER INTO THE TITLE?

I THINK IT'S A TWO-PARTER FOR ME.

THE FIRST, MY MOM USED TO ALWAYS TELL ME, KRISTEN IN WHATEVER YOU DO, ALWAYS BE A LADY AND REMEMBER TO BE ELEGANT.

AND I REMEMBER LOOKING THAT WORD UP IN THE DICTIONARY.

YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN WE HAD THE BIG BOOK.

HAD REAL DICTIONARIES.

YEAH.

AND I THOUGHT, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND I SAID, LET'S GO TO THE EXPENSIVE STORE IN TOWN AND GET ME A PRETTY EASTER DRESS.

AND SHE SAID, YOU CAN GO TO TARGET.

YOU CAN GO -- DOESN'T MATTER WHERE WE GO.

JUST ALWAYS BE ELEGANT.

AND I GUESS I LOOK FOR QUALITIES, WHICH IS CLASS AND ELEGANCE IN MY LIFE.

NOT JUST IN MY MUSIC.

AND THE WAY I PRESENT MYSELF AND, OF COURSE, I CAN HAVE FUN AND GET DOWN AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.

BUT I TRY TO -- YOU KNOW -- THERE'S A SENSE OF MANNERS, I THINK, THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A SOUTHERN THING.

BY I JUST THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT.

AND I THINK ESPECIALLY NOW WITH WHAT I'M SEEING IN OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, I SEE A LACK OF THAT A LITTLE BIT GOING OUT THE DOOR.

AND I'M LIKE, YOU ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE TO BE THAT.

YOU CAN BE TALENTED AND NOT CLASSLESS.

AND SO I WANTED PEOPLE TO KNOW THERE'S AN ART TO IT.

AND THERE'S AN ART TO EACH OF THESE SONGS.

THERE'S AN ARC TO EACH OF THESE SONGS.

AND THEY DON'T WRITE THEM LIKE THAT AS MUCH ANY MORE.

SO --

LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE SONGS.

YES.

GOING THROUGH THEM, AND THERE ARE SO MANY ONES -- FABULOUS SONGS.

PROBABLY 'SKYLARK' MAY BE MY FAVORITE.

WHICH MADE ME SO HAPPY BECAUSE THAT'S MY FAVORITE.

I'M DELIGHTED TO HEAR THAT ALSO.

WHEN YOU DECIDED TO DO THIS PROJECT WITH ALL OF THE MARVELOUS SONGS OUT THERE, 'AMERICAN SONG BOOK,' JUST FANTASTIC SONGS FOR YOU TO SING, HOW DO YOU CHOOSE THE ONES YOU WANT TO DO?

THERE'S A LOT OF TEARS INVOLVED, BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO CUT A LOT OF THE ONES I DID.

I HAVE TO DO THE ONES THAT SPEAK THE LOUDEST TO ME.

SO I MADE A LIST.

MUCH LIKE WE WOULD OF SONGS YOU WANT TO SING.

AND I KEPT MAKING THAT LIST.

REALLY WHAT SONGS YOU HAVE TO CUT, WHAT SONG DO YOU HAVE TO CUT.

AND THEN IT JUST REVEALED ITSELF TO ME.

BUT THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS ALBUM IS I WAS DONE, AND I WAS IN -- DOING CHILDREN'S THEATRE ONE NIGHT, AND I WAS IN MY TUB TAKING A BATH AND LISTENING TO SOME OF THE TRACKS, YOU KNOW, CRITIQUING AND NOT BEING EXTREMELY HAPPY WITH CERTAIN THINGS.

I KNEW I WAS GOING TO GO BACK IN THE STUDIO AND I CALLED STEVE TYRELL AND I SAID I JUST HEARD A RANDOM SONG ON THE RADIO, AND IT WAS ON SERIOUSLY SINATRA AND IT'S 'I'M A FOOL TO WANT YOU' AND I DIDN'T KNOW IT, AND IT WAS NEW TO ME.

AND WE WENT --

NOT HEARD OFTEN.

THE FACT THAT SINATRA WAS INVOLVED IN WRITING IT WAS EXTRAORDINARY.

RIGHT.

HE WROTE IT, PERFORMED IT.

RECORDED IT AND THEN NEVER DID IT AGAIN.

WITH THE HISTORY OF SONGS, THAT SONG I WENT, I'M PUTTING IT ON.

AND WE DID.

DO YOU -- IS ASKING YOU IF YOU HAVE A FAVORITE SONG LIKE ASKING SOMEBODY IF YOU HAVE A FAVORITE CHILD?

YES.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

I -- YOU KNOW, DOLLY PARTON SAYS ABOUT ALL OF HER SONGS THAT SHE'S WRITTEN, I LOVE THEM, THEY'RE ALL MY CHILDREN.

SOME OF THEM I LIKE BETTER THAN OTHERS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD PICK.

I DEFINITELY HAVE MY TOP THREE OR FOUR ON HERE.

'SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME' IS HARD TO BEAT.

IT'S GERSHWIN, 'AMERICAN SONG BOOK' AT ITS BEST.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT.

I ALSO CERTAINLY LOVE THE LYRICS TO 'SMILE.'

NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT CHARLIE CHAPLAIN WROTE THE MUSIC TO THAT.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT EITHER.

YEAH.

AND THEN THERE IS 'SKYLARK' AND I GET ALONG WITH THAT VERY WELL.

YOU KNOW, I COULD GO ON AND ON.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

AND, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME THAT OCCURS TO ME TO MAKE THAT FAVORITE, I JUST TOSS IT OUT.

I SUGGEST EVERY ONE OF THOSE SHOULD BE YOUR FAVORITE, BECAUSE YOU DO A MARVELOUS JOB ON EVERY ONE OF THEM.

I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE A DELIGHT TO MEET YOU.

I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WOULD BE SUCH A DELIGHT -- WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT 'THE ART OF ELEGANCE' AND I'M SURE YOUR MOM WOULD BE VERY PROUD OF HOW ELEGANT YOU HAVE BECOME.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST THING YOU COULD SAY TO ME.

YOU BE WELL, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ALL OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE GOING ON.

THANK YOU, DARLING.

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THE ABILITY TO INTEGRATE LOTS OF INGREDIENTS AND COOK THEM IN A SOFTER, DETERMINED WAY, REALLY ALLOWS US TO EXPLORE A NEW FOOD SPACE.

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