April 20, 2017: TONIGHT ON METROFOCUS

GRADING DE BLASIO, CUOMO, & TRUMP

Congressman Jerry Nadler will grade the city under Mayor de Blasio, the state under Governor Cuomo, and the country under President Trump, plus he’ll tackle the hot topics of the day.

 

 

420: TIME TO LEGALIZE?

It’s the date, but it’s also code for marijuana smokers to light up. Is it time for New York to legalize recreational marijuana?  We want you to weigh in!

 

 

MORGAN SPURLOCK

Ahead of his film’s premiere at the Tribeca Film Festival tonight Morgan Spurlock takes us into “No Man’s Land.”

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> TONIGHT ON 'METROFOCUS' CONGRESSMAN GERALD MADLER HAS BEEN REPRESENTING NEW YORK IN CONGRESS FOR 24 YEARS.

IN A MOMENT HIS TAKE ON SOME OF THE KEY ISSUES AFFECTING THE COUNTRY AND HIS PERSONAL ASSESSMENT OF MAYOR De BLASIO, GOVERNOR CUOMO AND PRESIDENT TRUMP.

TODAY 4/20 T. FOR OTHERS A MARIJUANA ENTHUSIAST, TIME TO SMOKE POT.

IS IT TIME FOR LEGALIZATION?

WE'LL EXPLORE.

AND WE'RE TALKING TO MORGAN SPERLOCK AHEAD OF HIS TRIBECA FILM FESTIVAL.

ALL THAT AND MORE AS 'METROFOCUS' STARTS RIGHT NOW.

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THIS IS 'METROFOCUS' WITH RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD, AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS PROVIDED BY --

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO 'METROFOCUS.'

I'M RAFAEL PI ROMAN.

TONIGHT WE ARE TACKLING THE ISSUES IMPACTING THE METROPOLITAN AREA AND BEYOND FROM THE HERE AT HOME, PROPOSED TUNNEL UNDER THE RIVER, ACTIONS ON NORTH KOREA, IRAN AND OTHER PLACES.

WE HAVE BEEN CLOSELY FOLLOWING THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE IN NEW YORK AND DOWN IN WASHINGTON, D.C.

CONGRESSMAN GERALD MEDLER HAS SERVED OVER TWO DECADES IN CONGRESS, WHICH INCLUDES PARTS OF MANHATTAN AND BROOKLYN.

HE JOINS ME NOW.

CONGRESSMAN, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

GOOD TO BE HERE.

CONGRESSMAN, IN THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS CHANGED HIS POSITION ON SYRIA, ON RUSSIA, ON CHINA, ON NATO, AMONG OTHER THINGS.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THESE CHANGES IN HIS FOREIGN POLICY?

I DON'T THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS A CONSISTENT FOREIGN POLICY.

I DON'T THINK HE'S THOUGHT THROUGH THE ISSUES AND I THINK HE REACTS TO A LARGE EXTENT TO THE LAST PERSON HE TALKED TO AND TO VERY CURRENT EVENTS OF ANY SENSE OF TIMING AND HISTORY.

AND VERY WORRIED ABOUT HIS SABER RATTLING, FRANKLY, HIS ATTACK ON SYRIA, FOR EXAMPLE.

THERE WAS PLENTY OF TIME TO GO TO CONGRESS.

I THINK THAT ATTACK WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND ILLEGAL BECAUSE HE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORIZATION IN ADVANCE.

SAME FOR KOREA, AND WHEN HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE HOPE THE CHINESE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM.

IF THEY WON'T, WE WILL.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A DIRECT THREAT.

WHEN THE VICE-PRESIDENT GOES TO SOUTH KOREA AND SAYS, AND SAYS WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THIS, AND THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO HAS SHOWN HIS MILITARY RESOLVE IN AFGHANISTAN AND SYRIA RECENTLY.

THE TIME FOR PATIENCE IS OVER.

THE SECRETARY OF STATE TILLERSON HAS SAID THE TIME FOR STRATEGIC PATIENCE IS OVER.

THAT IS SABER RATTLING.

AND THE PROBLEM IS -- AND AGAIN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DELIBERATELY INITIATE A KOREAN WAR, THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR WAR YOU DEVELOP THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF CASUALTIES, MAYBE MILLIONS OF CASUALTIES IN SOUTH KOREA, YOU BETTER GO TO CONGRESS FIRST BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTING UNCONSTITUTIONALLY.

SECONDLY, WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT.

IF THERE IS ANY OPTION FOR PREVENTING THE NORTH KOREANS FROM GETTING DELIVERABLE NUCLEAR WEAPONS, IT IS ONLY THROUGH REAL PRESSURE ON THE CHINESE TO EXERT ECONOMIC --

CONGRESS, MAY I INTERRUPT A SECOND?

THAT MAY BE TRUE.

AS YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DOING WHAT PREVIOUS PRESIDENT HAS DONE IN TRYING TO GET ASSISTANCE OF CHINA, GOING TO AS FAR AS SAYING HE'LL GIVE THEM A GOOD TRADE DEAL IN RETURN.

IT SEEMS TO BE PAYING OFF.

CHINA FOR THE FIRST TIME PUBLICLY DENOUNCED NORTH KOREA AND THEIR NUCLEAR -- LET ME FINISH -- AND HE ALSO -- AND CHINA TURNED BACK THE COAL THAT NORTH KOREA WAS SELLING TO CHINA WHICH WAS 80% OF ITS TRADE.

WELL, I'M VERY GLAD ABOUT THAT.

I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE DOING IN TERMS OF PRESSURING THE CHINESE AND THE CHINESE OUGHT TO BE DOING.

IF IT WORKS, WONDERFUL.

BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A GOOD MILITARY OPTION BEYOND THAT.

WE WOULD HAVE TO RELY ON DETERRENCE AS WE DID WITH THE SOVIET UNION FOR DECADES.

WE DON'T WANT A MAJOR WAR WITH NORTH KOREA.

REMEMBER, NORTH KOREA HAS THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF ARTILLERY PIECES DIRECTED AT SEOUL, A CITY OF 20, 25 MILLION PEOPLE WITHIN ARTILLERY RANGE ONLY 20 MILES FROM THE BORDER.

WE HAVE 28,000 TROOPS SUBJECT TO ARTILLERY.

ANOTHER 50,000 IN JAPAN.

WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO A MAJOR WAR.

THERE WAS AN OP-ED IN THE 'THE NEW YORK TIMES' NOT TOO LONG AGO THAT REFERRED TO THE SITUATION IN NORTH KOREA AS THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS IN SLOW MOTION.

THAT IS SERIOUSLY SPEEDING UP.

AND THE IMPLICATION IS THAT THE OLD MODES OF TRYING TO DEAL WITH NORTH KOREA DIDN'T WORK.

HAVEN'T BEEN WORKING, AND IT NEEDS TO WORK.

SOMETHING NEEDS TO WORK.

SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE.

WELL, THE NORTH KOREAN REGIME IS A RUTHLESS AND COMPLETELY RUTHLESS REGIME.

IT HAS NOT SHOWN ITSELF IN ANY WAY TO BE A SUICIDAL REGIME.

WE DETERRED THE SOVIET UNION WITH A NUCLEAR DETERRENCE FOR 40 YEARS UNTIL THEY CHANGED.

WE MAY HAVE TO DO THE SAME WITH NORTH KOREA.

WE SHOULD NOT START A MAJOR WAR.

CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR PERSONAL ASSESSMENT?

BECAUSE PEOPLE TRUST YOUR ASSESSMENTS, ON PRESIDENT TRUMP, ON GOVERNOR CUOMO AND OUR MAYOR De BLASIO.

COULD YOU GRADE THEM FOR US?

WELL, I THINK THAT MAYOR De BLASIO HAS BEEN BASICALLY A QUITE GOOD MAYOR.

I THINK HE WAS ELECTED ON CERTAIN KEY PROMISES, FULL-DAY KINDERGARTEN, HE CALLED THE IT FAMILY LEAVE, ET CETERA.

HE DID THOSE THINGS.

HE FULFILLED THEM.

HE GOT [ INAUDIBLE ]. HE'S GOTTEN INTO TROUBLE ON OTHER THINGS.

I THINK GENERALLY IT'S A SUCCESSFUL ADMINISTRATION.

GOVERNOR CUOMO HAS HAD SOME ROCKY RELATIONS WITH THE LELGT YOU'RE.

HE, TOO, HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB.

THE PRESIDENT, I HOPE HE CHANGES, BUT FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, DONALD TRUMP HAS NO KNOWLEDGE OR APPRECIATION OF HISTORY, DOESN'T KNOW WHERE WE'VE BEEN, DOESN'T READ, IS RECKLESS IN WHAT HE SAYS FROM ONE DAY TO THE NEXT NO FOREIGN POLICY.

HE OBVIOUSLY HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT WAS IN THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.

HE OBVIOUSLY HAD NO KNOWLEDGE WHAT WAS IN THE REPUBLICAN BILL HE WAS TRYING TO VOTE FOR.

HE'S ALL IN FAVOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR, BUT HE'S MADE NO PROPOSAL, HE'S MADE NO PROPOSAL FOR TAX REFORM.

HE DOESN'T SEEM TO -- HE STILL HAS MOSTLY POSITIONS.

MOST SENIOR POSITIONS IN GOVERNMENT ARE UNFILLED.

THERE'S NOBODY HOME.

THANKS TO THE SLOW PACE --

NO, THANKS TO THE FAILURE, SOMETHING LIKE 450 OUT OF 550 SENATE CONFIRMED POSITIONS HAVEN'T BEEN NOMINATED, NEVER MIND HAVEN'T BEEN CONFIRMED.

AND THIS IS FOUR MONTHS IN.

THAT'S NOT A SURPRISE THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE A WELL WORKED OUT HEALTH CARE PROPOSAL OR WELL WORKED OUT TAX REFORM PROPOSAL.

IT TAKES PEOPLE.

OKAY.

AS WE KNOW, THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS HAVE BEEN HILL ON EARTH IN PENN STATION, TWO AMTRAK DERAILMENTS, PEOPLE WERE STUCK ON THE RAIL.

THE GATEWAY PROJECT, THE GATEWAY TUNNEL, YOU'RE IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE IN CONGRESS.

YOU SAID THAT YOU'D WORK WITH THE PRESIDENT WHEN YOU AGREED.

HE WANTS A TRILLION DOLLAR INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM STILL UNKNOWN.

WILL YOU WORK WITH HIM TO GET THE GATEWAY TUNNEL BUILT?

THE FIRST THING HE DID -- WE HAVEN'T PASSED THE BUDGET FOR 2017.

WE HAVE FIVE MONTHS TO GO.

IT EXPIRES NEXT WEEK.

THERE HAS TO BE A CONTINUATION, A CONTINUING RESOLUTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE FISCAL YEAR THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30th.

HE PROPOSED A FIVE-MONTH EXTENSION DEFUNDING NEW STARTS, DEFUNDING AMTRAK, DEFUNDING THE GATEWAY PROPOSAL, MONEY -- HE IN HIS CAMPAIGN TALKED A GOOD GAME ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY KIND OF PROPOSAL.

IF HE COMES UP WITH A GOOD PROPOSAL ON INFRASTRUCTURE WITH A REASONABLE FINANCING, MOST DEMOCRATS WILL SUPPORT IT AND SHOULD.

WHAT WE'VE HEARD, ALTHOUGH WE ONLY HEARD IT MONTHS AGO WITH SOME SORT OF A TAX CREDIT WHICH WOULD WORK ONLY FOR PROFITABLE TOLL ROADS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH WOULD MAKE NO SENSE AND HE MIGHT SAY IT WOULD RESULT IN A TRILLION DOLLARS, PROBABLY WOULD RESULT IN VERY LITTLE BEING DONE.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HIS PROPOSAL IS IF HE ACTUALLY COMES UP WITH A PROPOSAL.

IF IT'S A GOOD ONE WE'LL SUPPORT IT.

IF NOT WE'LL HAVE TO POINT OUT WHY IT WOULDN'T WORK.

BY THE WAY, THE GATEWAY TUNNEL WOULD BE A NEW TUNNEL UNDER THE HUDSON.

THE GATEWAY TUNNEL IS ESSENTIAL, ESPECIALLY AFTER GOVERNOR CHRISTY KILLED THE PREVIOUS TUNNEL WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN READY IN A YEAR.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE PRAYING THE 200 YEAR OLD TUNNELS WHICH WERE DAMAGED BY SANDY, IF ONE OF THEM GOES OUT, WHICH MAY HAPPEN AT ANY TIME, BUT IF ONE OF THEM WERE TO GO OUT INSTEAD OF 24 TRAINS AN OUR PEAK HOUR GOING THROUGH THE TUNNELS WE'D BE DOWN TO SIX AND THAT WOULD REALLY SNARL THINGS UNTIL THE GATEWAY TUNNEL IS READY.

CONGRESSMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOIN US.

IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TALKING TO YOU.

THANK YOU.

JUST A NOTE FOR THOSE OF YOU WATCHING AT HOME, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF MY INTERVIEW WITH THE CONGRESSMAN, HEAD OVER TO OUR FACEBOOK PAGE OR WEBSITE AT METROFOCUS.ORG.

NOW YOU KNOW.

THIS IS THE BRAND-NEW INTRICATELY DESIGNED CHURCH OF CANNABIS IN DENVER, COLORADO.

IT OPENED ITS DOORS FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY.

THE DATE, 4/20, A DATE THAT'S BECOME SYNONYMOUS WITH NOT ONLY SMOKING POT, BUT THE MOVEMENT TO LEGALIZE IT AS WELL.

MARCHES WERE HELD ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR LEGALIZATION BUT THERE IS A HURDLE IN THE PRESIDENCY.

HERE'S WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAD TO SAY ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

MARIJUANA IS SUCH A BIG THING.

I THINK MEDICAL SHOULD HAPPEN.

AND THEN I REALLY BELIEVE WE SHOULD LEAVE IT UP TO THE STATES.

IT SHOULD BE A STATE SITUATION.

WHERE DO THINGS STAND HERE IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK?

NEW YORK LEGALIZED MEDICAL MARIJUANA LAST YEAR, BUT THAT PROGRAM MAINTAINS SOME OF THE STRICTEST LAWS IN THE COUNTRY BANNING SMOKING AND EDIBLE MARIJUANA.

IN TERMS OF RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA, THERE IS NOW A PUSH AMONG SOME LAWMAKERS TO LEGALIZE THE DRUG.

10 STATE SENATORS HAVE FROE DEUCED A BILL WHICH IF PASSED AND SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR WILL JOIN EIGHT OTHER STALTS NATIONWIDE.

THAT IS A BIG IF, THOUGH.

GOVERNOR CUOMO HAS SAID HE'S UNCONVINCED TELLING REPORTERS EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE FLIP SIDE ARGUMENT IS THAT IT'S A GATEWAY DRUG AND MARIJUANA LEADS TO OTHER DRUGS.

HE THEN WENT ON TO SAY THERE IS A LOT OF PROOF THAT IS TRUE.

WITH THAT, I'M PLEASED TO WELCOME [ INAUDIBLE ]. DOCUMENTARY SERIES ON BY STAND CHRONICLE SCIENCE, CULTURE AND ECONOMICS OF THIS EVER EVOLVING MARIJUANA INDUSTRY.

THE PROGRAM IS CALLED WEEDER KIT, AND HERE'S A PREVIEW OF THE SERIES.

MARIJUANA IS THE ESSENCE OF THE DRUG WAR.

THEY'RE RUINING PEOPLE'S LIVES FOR NOTHING.

WE NEED TO CHANGE THE GOD DAM LAW.

WHY DID THE GOVERNMENT START PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAIL WHEN THEY WERE AWAITING DEPORTATION?

FEAR.

YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN CHARGED.

YOU'VE ALREADY COMPLETED PROBATION.

AFTER ALL THAT AND BEING SEPARATED FROM YOUR FAMILY, IT'S HARD.

YOU'RE AFFECTED BY THE DRUG.

THEN YOU SHOULDN'T BE BEHIND THE WHEEL.

GO, GO, GO, GO.

FEELING A LITTLE NERVOUS.

I MEAN, I'VE NEVER BROUGHT ANY DRUGS IN MY SUITCASE BEFORE.

FOR A WHILE, IT SEEMED LIKE WEED'S LEGALITY WAS A MATTER OF TIME.

BUT NOW IT'S CLEAR THAT THE FIGHT GOES ON.

I'M GLAD TO BE HERE WITH ALL OF YOU TODAY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY.

FASCINATING SERIES AND AS I SAID I'M PLEASED TO WELCOME CHRISTIAN TO THE SHOW.

GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE.

YOU'VE MET SO MANY PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE WHO HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY MARIJUANA, FOR THE GOOD, FOR THE BAD.

TALK TO ME ABOUT THE CONCEPT BEHIND THIS PROGRAM.

WELL, THIS IS A HISTORIC PERIOD FOR MARIJUANA.

AS IT GOES FROM BEING ILLEGAL TO LEGAL, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AND CHRONICLE IS KIND OF THE AFTER EFFECTS, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE WAKE OF THESE LEGALIZATION INITIATIVES AND HOW ARE PEOPLE'S LIVES AFFECTED.

SO, FROM THE MEDICAL SIDE YOU SEE PEOPLE AT A POINT OF VERY PROFOUND -- IT'S A PROFOUND CROSSROADS.

PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE HANGING IN THE BALANCE OF WHETHER THEY CAN GET POT, WHETHER THEY CAN'T, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS HELPING THEM OR IS SOME KIND OF PLACEBO OR NOT REALLY SCIENTIFICALLY BASED MEDICAL STUFF.

SO, IT'S A MUCH MORE SERIOUS ISSUE THAN YOU MIGHT THINK, YOU KNOW, ON A DAY LIKE 4/20 IT'S CELEBRATING PEOPLE SMOKING BLUNTS.

THE ISSUES BEHIND MARIJUANA REFORM, I THINK, KIND OF COALESCE WITH SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT WE FACE AS AMERICANS AND WHAT VALUES THAT WE KIND OF UPHOLD.

THE HISTORIC MOMENT, WHAT IS THE DEFINING IMPACT OF THE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER WHEN WE CONSIDER THE MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION MOVEMENT?

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A POINT OF VIEW.

SO, I THINK LIKE A POTENTIAL OTHER ADMINISTRATION MIGHT SAY, HEY, LET'S SPEED TOWARDS DESCHEDULING MARIJUANA FROM THE DEA'S SCHEDULE, YOU KNOW, THE CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES ACT.

HOWEVER, IT LOOKS LIKE JEFF SESSIONS OR, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE IN POWER NOW DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS BASICALLY THE KIND OF SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH THAT COULD BE HAPPENING REGARDING MARIJUANA'S MEDICAL EFFICACY IS DELAYED FOR HOWEVER LONG.

AND THIS TAKES TIME.

SO, PEOPLE'S LIVES, PEOPLE WHO THINK [ INAUDIBLE ] DON'T HAVE THE SCIENTIFIC SORT OF BACKING TO SEE WHETHER THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT OR WRONG.

WE MENTIONED THE RELUCTANCE ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

WITH THAT WE MOVE TO THE STATE LEVEL AND SPECIFICALLY HERE IN NEW YORK.

AS WE SAID, THERE IS A BILL PROPOSED WHICH WOULD LEGALIZE IT RECREATIONALLY HERE IN NEW YORK.

THIS IS THE BILL HERE.

THE BILL CITES A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT THEY BELIEVE WOULD HAPPEN IF WE LEGALIZED IT.

REDUCTION IN VIOLENT CRIME, REDUCTION RATE OF DISPARITIES, REAL POTENTIAL OF GENERATING A LOT OF REVENUE FOR THE STATE, CREATING NEW INDUSTRIES, INCREASING EMPLOYMENT.

YOU TRAVELED TO A NUMBER OF THE STATES, EIGHT STATES WHERE IT IS LEGAL RECREATIONALLY.

HAVE THESE SORT OF PROMISES BEEN KEPT IN THOSE STATES?

CERTAINLY ARRESTS HAVE GONE DOWN.

THE DATE -- DATA HAS GONE DOWN.

ON THE ECONOMIC SIDE, STATES LIKE COLORADO HAVE SEEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF NEW TAX REVENUE COME THROUGH.

SO, THE ECONOMY IS KIND OF BEING SPURRED.

THAT JUST STANDS TO REASON, RIGHT?

LIKE PEOPLE BUY POT, PEOPLE SMOKE POT EVEN WHERE IT'S ILLEGAL.

BUT THAT MONEY STAYS IN THE BLACK MARKET.

IT IS NEVER TAXED.

AND I THINK THE OTHER PART IS THAT THERE IS A GREAT ENERGY TOWARDS UNDERSTANDING HOW A MARIJUANA INDUSTRY COULD PROPOSE NEW IDEAS OF HOW BUSINESSES CAN WORK.

WITH THIS LEGALIZATION IN STATES LIKE COLORADO WE'VE SEEN A REAL ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT THERE, A TOURISM INDUSTRY IN ESSENCE.

IN A CITY LIKE NEW YORK IF WE WERE TO LEGALIZE IT, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY HERE?

WOULD WE SEE TOURISTS DO YOU BELIEVE FLOCKING TO NEW YORK CITY FOR THE IDEA THAT THEY CAN CONSUME MARIJUANA?

I THINK TOURISTS ARE GOING TO COME TO NEW YORK NO MATTER WHAT, IT'S NEW YORK.

I WOULD PLAY CONTRARIAN TO SAY THAT IN NEW YORK CITY AND NEW YORK STATE, MARIJUANA -- RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA IS DE FACTO LEGAL.

IT'S BEEN DECRIMINALIZED TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.

IF YOU ARE A MOTIVATED BUYER, IT IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO FIND SERVICES THAT ARE MORE AKIN TO LIKE A PERSONAL CONCIERGE THAN TO A BACK ALLEY DRUG DEAL.

TO THE ARGUMENT OF TAXATION AND WHETHER THE STATE AND THE CITY IS ACTUALLY RECOUPING THAT ECONOMIC ACTIVITY IN ANY WAY, AT THIS POINT NO.

WITH THIS DRUG TO MAKE IT LEGAL, THERE IS A RELUCTANCE.

WE MENTIONED GOVERNOR CUOMO WHO SAID HE VIEWS THIS AS A POTENTIAL GATEWAY DRUG.

THAT IS A VIEW SHARED BY ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF SESSIONS.

LET'S LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAD TO SAY IN A RECENT RADIO INTERVIEW.

SURE.

AND I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA.

I THINK IT'S A MORE DANGEROUS DRUG THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE REALIZE.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE A BETTER COMMUNITY IF MARIJUANA IS SOLD ON EVERY CORNER GROCERY STORE.

SO, HERE WE HAVE GOVERNOR CUOMO ON ONE HAND AND JEFF SESSIONS ON THE OTHER.

WHAT IS APPARENT TO ME IS THIS FEAR ISN'T BASED ON POLITICAL ALIGNMENT CLEARLY.

YEAH, AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER POLL SIGNIFICANCES LIKE DEBBIE WASSER MAN SCHULTZ ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE.

THEY DON'T WANT POT TO BE PART OF EVERYDAY LIFE.

HERE'S THE THING.

FOR THE PEOPLE I MEET AND FOR MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY, IT IS A PART OF EVERYDAY LIFE AND THAT'S A REALITIES OF THIS COUNTRY AND IN A LOT OF WAYS THE WHOLE WORLD.

SO, THAT RECOGNITION DOESN'T REALLY SPLIT ALONG LEFT AND RIGHT LINES AS YOU SAID.

BUT WHAT I'VE FOUND AND WHAT POLLING INDICATES AS WELL IS IT IS A DEMOGRAPHICS ISSUE.

IF YOU'RE YOUNGER YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO UNDERSTAND OR BELIEVE THAT MARIJUANA IS A PART OF EVERYDAY LIFE, THAT IS NOT THAT DIFFERENT FROM ALCOHOL OR CIGARETTES OR OTHER KIND OF RECREATIONAL DRUGS.

THE PROGRAM IS CALLED WEED -- IT DEBUTS TONIGHT.

PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU ON THE SHOW.

THANK YOU.

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PREMIERING TONIGHT AT THE TRIBECA FILM FESTIVAL, THE DOCUMENTARY NO MAN'S LAND GIVES AN ON THE GROUND ACCOUNT OF THE 2016 STANDOFF BETWEEN PROTESTERS AT OREGON MODERN NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE AND FEDERAL AUTHORITIES.

WHAT BEGAN AS A PROTEST TO BEGIN THE SEN TENSION QUICKLY MORPHED INTO A CATCHALL.

FOR THOSE EAGER TO REGISTER THEIR MILITANT RAGE TOWARD THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND AN ARMED OCCUPATION.

WITH UNFETTERED ACCESS, DIRECTOR AND CINEMAING TO RA FER DAVID BUYERS TELLS THOSE INSIDE THE MOVEMENT WHILE ATTEMPTING TO UNCOVER WHAT DRAWS AMERICANS TO THE EDGE OF REVOLUTION.

AND I'M HERE NOW WITH NO MAN'S LAND DIRECTOR DAVID BUYERS AND ONE OF THE FILM'S PRODUCERS MORGAN SPUR LOCK, WELCOME TO THE SHOW.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US, JENNA.

WHEN YOU FIRST HEARD ABOUT THE STORY WHAT WAS IT THAT DREW YOU TO THIS AND MADE YOU FEEL THIS IS WORTH DOCUMENTING?

THIS IS A MOMENT IN TIME FOR AMERICA.

SURE, ABSOLUTELY.

SO, I HAD BEEN FOLLOWING KIND OF THIS MILITIA MOVEMENT AS IT RELATES TO PUBLIC LANDS FOR ABOUT 2 1/2 YEARS BEFORE THE EVENTS WENT DOWN.

WHEN I CUT THE PHONE CALL AND SAW THIS THING WAS GOING DOWN IN OREGON, I KNEW THESE WERE THE CHARACTERS THAT WERE SERIOUS AND THEY WERE TAKING IT TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BY TAKING OVER THESE FEDERAL FACILITIES.

THEY WERE PUTTING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN A SITUATION THEY HAD TO REACT AND THEY WERE SERIOUS AND WEREN'T GOING TO LEAVE UNTIL SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION HAD BEEN REACHED.

THIS WAS JANUARY OF 2016.

SO, THE CURRENT NATIONAL GUYS WAS JUST STARTING TO DEVELOP.

WE WERE JUST GETTING IN THIS ERA OF TRUMP AND THIS RURAL RAGE THAT HAS TAKEN OVER.

THERE WAS LIKE THIS PATRIOT MOVEMENT HAD ALREADY KIND OF STARTED TO, I THINK, TAKE HOLD OF A LOT OF THE COUNTRY.

THERE WERE EFFORTS OF A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED BEFORE.

RUBY RIDGE, THE WACO STANDOFF.

THERE WERE ECHOS OF A LOT OF IT, BUT THIS WAS UNIQUE.

ONCE YOU WERE IN THERE, FIRST OFF, HOW DID YOU GET THE TRUST OF THIS GROUP?

BECAUSE ONE THING THAT COMES ACROSS VERY CLEAR IS THERE ARE ALMOST INSULATED GROUP --

THEY KNEW HOW TRUSTWORTHY HE IS.

AT FIRST THEY WOULD BE SUSPICIOUS OF A GUY WITH A CAMERA.

THEY WERE.

AND THEY WERE VERY SUSPICIOUS OF ME WHEN I FIRST GOT THERE.

I DID KNOW A COUPLE OF THEM OR HAD INTERACTIONS WITH A FEW OF THEM BEFORE I WENT OUT THERE.

YOU HAD BEEN FILMING FOR A WHILE WITH THEM.

HE HAD BEEN 24 MONTHS ON AND OFF WITH A LOT OF THE GUYS IN THE MOVEMENT.

HE WAS A FAMILIAR FACE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I KNEW WHO THEY WERE AND I WAS TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL AND WASN'T PUTTING OUT DAILY NEWS REPORTS WHICH WERE REALLY KIND OF RAISING THEIR HACK L SEEING THEMSELVES CHARACTERIZED A CERTAIN WAY ON THE EVENING NEWS MADE THEM PARANOID ABOUT HAVING CAMERAS AROUND.

SINCE I WAS NOT SHOVING A CAMERA IN THEIR FACE TRYING TO GET THE MOST INSANE -- GET THEM TO SAY THE MOST INSANE THING POSSIBLE, THEY TRUSTED ME.

IT TOOK AWHILE, YOU KNOW.

BUT EVENTUALLY THEY WERE LIKE, OKAY, WHY DON'T YOU COME FILM THIS.

WE THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW.

THEY TRUSTED ME TO PUT THAT OUT.

I THINK THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF WHAT THE FILM I THINK REPRESENTS VERSUS THE GUYS YOU SEE IN THE FILM KIND OF DOING THESE DAILY REPORTS.

IT BECOMES MUCH MORE OF A LIVING DOCUMENT OF WHAT TRANSPIRED AND WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT THEIR OUTLOOK IS AND HOW IT WAS BEING INTERPRETED BY US, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE OUTSIDE OF THE REFUGE.

IN A WAY I THINK IS REALLY FAIR, THAT I THINK IS REALLY HONEST, THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A LOOK INTO THIS UNIVERSE THAT MOST OF US NEVER GET TO SEE AND NEVER GET TO HEAR.

ONE OF THE THINGS I DID WANT TO ASK IS THAT WHEN I SAY DOES THIS FIT INTO A LARGER CONVERSATION, MEANING THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE GUYS WERE RANCHERS OR WERE REPRESENTING RANCHERS.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANYTHING.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN COAL MINING, FACTORY JOBS, COULD HAVE BEEN FARMERS.

WHEN DOES THIS FILM FIT INTO THE LARGER AMERICAN --

IT IS A PIECE OF THE LARGER CONVERSATION AND IT IS ONE I THINK WE START TO RUMINATE ON BUT AREN'T REALLY TALKING ABOUT IN A BIG WAY WHICH ARE PEOPLE WHO FEEL DISENFRANCHISED WHO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE LEFT OUT, THAT FEEL THEY'RE NOT BEING HEARD, THAT FEEL THEY ARE MARGINALIZED AND IT IS A VERY, I THINK, POOR CONVERSATION, MUCH MORE THAN IT IS A BLACK/WHITE CONVERSATION.

I THINK A LOT OF IT IS VERY ROOTED IN KIND OF A WHITE PERSON'S POINT OF VIEW, BUT I THINK THERE IS A VERY KIND OF POOR RURAL POINT OF VIEW THIS FILM REMITS THAT WE DON'T HEAR FROM A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE.

SURE.

AND I THINK THE PERSON WHO IS COMING ALONG AND SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOUR GRIEVANCES ARE LEGITIMATE, AND I'M GOING TO BE THE ONE WHO HELPS YOU, THAT'S THE PERSON TO PRESENT THE SOLUTION AND GET THE BACKING FROM THEM.

AND THIS IS WHAT GOT DONALD TRUMP ELECTED.

I'M LISTENING AND I'M HERE TO HELP YOU.

AND IT'S WHY HE GOT SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY TO KIND OF RALLY AROUND HIM AND STAND UP.

THAT'S WHAT BUN DIFFICULT DOES BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE FEEL NO ONE LISTENS TO THEM.

ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING IN THIS FILM WERE HAPPENING AGAINST A LARGER AMERICAN BACKDROP THAT WAS THE RISE OF BLACK LIVES MATTER, WHERE THERE WERE A LOT OF GRIEVANCES AGAINST UNARMED BLACK MEN BEING SHOT BY COPS, ET CETERA.

SO, I'M WONDERING IF THIS FILM HAS A BROAD APPEAL, LIKE IF YOU DON'T NECESSARILY JUST AGREE WITH OR SYMPATHIZE WITH THESE PROTESTERS WHO ARE IN OREGON, CAN ANYONE BE ABLE TO SEE SOME OF THEIR OWN STRUGGLES WITHIN IT?

I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE A BROAD CONVERSATION.

I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE PEOPLE FROM, YOU KNOW, OTHER GROUPS WHO WILL WATCH THIS FILM BE LIKE IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT HAD WE BEEN IN THERE.

BUT I DO THINK THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CONVERSATION, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THIS MOVING FORWARD?

I DON'T THINK THIS WILL BE THE LAST.

THOSE IN THE FILM SAY THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.

I DO BELIEVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.

HOW DO WE DEAL WITH IT IN A WAY THAT IS INFINITELY MORE PRODUCTIVE.

ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKED ABOUT THIS FILM, IT HAS A LOT OF GREAT QUOTES IN IT.

NOT JUST FROM THE PROTESTERS, BUT ALSO FROM SOME OF THE JOURNALISTS AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE.

AND ONE OF THEM WAS THAT YOU CANNOT RUN A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC, EXCUSE ME, ON FANTASY ALONE.

AND THAT IF ENOUGH PEOPLE LOSE FAITH THEN THE WHOLE THING JUST GOES OVER THE CLIFF.

AND THAT SEEMS TO SPEAK TO THE LARGER SITUATION THAT THE COUNTRY IS IN, WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU SAID WHO ARE STRUGGLING AND LOSING FAITH IN DEMOCRACY AND THE REPUBLIC.

YES.

WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS LAID BARE IN THIS FILM?

THE FACT IS WE ARE INCREDIBLY DIVIDED.

WE'RE MORE DIVIDED NOW THAN EVER BEFORE.

HOW DO YOU START TO BRIDGE THAT CAP?

PEOPLE SAY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, IT CAN'T HAPPEN.

I DON'T AGREE.

I THINK THERE IS ALWAYS COMMON GROUND, THERE IS ALWAYS COMMON CONVERSATION.

I THINK THERE IS A WAY TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE.

WE LET IT BE CONTROLLED BY MEDIA POWERS THAT ARE DRIVING A CONVERSATION AND NARRATIVE THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH, THAT DAVID DOESN'T AGREE WITH.

WHEN YOU WATCH THE FILM, THE FILM INHERENTLY DOESN'T AGREE WITH.

WE HAVE LEADERS NOW DEALING IN NOSTALGIA AS HARD CURRENCY AND USING THAT TO POINT TO AN EARLIER AGE THAT IS FANTASY, THAT DIDN'T EXIST, WHERE PEOPLE WEREN'T EQUAL.

AND LIKE GENERALLY A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE TREATED VERY POORLY.

YEAH.

AND I THINK WE HAVE THESE LEADERS THAT ARE POINTING TO THESE GOLDEN AGES, THESE FANTASIES BACK IN THE DAY THAT JUST AREN'T REAL.

YEAH.

OR AREN'T REAL FOR EVERYONE.

I BELIEVE THE FILM REFERS TO IT AS THE UTOPIAN URGE THAT WE ALL LONG FOR, MOST AMERICANS.

CORRECT.

THIS FILM IS IN THE TRIBECA FILM FESTIVAL.

FIRST OF ALL, HOW EXCITING IS THAT FOR YOU?

THIS IS YOUR FIRST DIRECTOR REVIEW.

DECEMBER OF '15 I COULD NOT IMAGINE I WAS GOING TO BE HERE OR EVEN APRIL OF '16, A YEAR AGO. I'M GLAD MORGAN CAME ON AS A PRODUCER ON THIS FILM.

I THINK HE'S REALLY ELEVATED THE FILM BEYOND WHAT I COULD HAVE DONE ON MY OWN.

SO, I AM INCREDIBLY PROUD AND EXCITED AND HONORED TO BE HERE.

WELL, LISTEN, GUYS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH US.

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