November 9, 2016: MetroFocus Special: Election 2016 Fallout

It was a stunning victory that will go down as possibly the most shocking upset in the history of American politics. President-elect Donald Trump became the nation’s 45th commander-in-chief, securing just enough electoral votes this morning to defeat former first lady and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Election night was truly a New York affair, with both candidates spending the evening watching the results in New York City. The race was called overnight and by morning, Clinton supporters were anxious to hear from their candidate. She eventually surfaced, holding back tears as she admitted defeat.

The election would prove to be a clean sweep for Trump and the GOP, which retained control of both Congressional houses. So how did President-elect Trump and Republicans pull this off? Joining us tonight with answers is veteran journalist and contributor to Politico as well as our own PBS NewsHour Weekend — Jeff Greenfield.

President-elect Trump will take office in mid-January, relocating his life in Manhattan’s Trump Tower to our nation’s capital. But what will the move from 5th Avenue to 1600 Pennsylvania avenue mean for you? What will a trump government look like? And what effect will it have on our nation both here in new york and in the tri-state? And with 90% of hillary clinton voters having told pollsters that they would be afraid of a trump presidency – how does he bring the country together? Host Rafael Pi Roman sits down with political insiders Adele Malpass, chairwoman of the Manhattan Republican Party, and Hank Sheinkopf, a Democratic strategist and former advisor to President Bill Clinton, to find out.

Looking back on last night’s election, historians may argue that President elect Trump’s victory was a watershed moment for America’s media. Throughout the election, news outlets, have been largely accused and vilified by many in the political world for allegedly giving rise to a political novice- like our president-elect. But as the billionaire businessman ascends to the Oval Office- how should the media cover him moving forward and can fences be mended? New York Times op-ed columnist Frank Bruni says this is the media’s moment of truth and he joins us with an argument for how the media and America should proceed now that the votes are in.

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> TONIGHT ON 'METROFOCUS,' IT'S BEEN LABELED THE BIGGEST POLITICAL UPSET IN U.S. HISTORY AND AMERICA HAS DECIDED.

THEY WANT TO SEE PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE WITH A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED HOUSE AND SENATE.

A CLEAN SWEEP FOR THE GOP, AND A WINNING MANDATE AGAINST THE LAST EIGHT YEARS UNDER OBAMA.

NOW HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD?

I SAY IT IS TIME FOR US TO COME TOGETHER AS ONE UNITED PEOPLE.

WHAT DOES A TRUMP VICTORY MEAN?

WHO WILL MAKE UP HIS CABINET?

WHAT'S NEXT FOR HILLARY?

AND HOW WILL THE MEDIA REACT TO A PRESIDENT WHO HAS MADE HIS FEELINGS KNOWN ABOUT THE FOURTH ESTATE.

AS THIS CROOKED MEDIA, YOU TALK ABOUT CROOKED HILLARY, THEY'RE WORSE THAN SHE IS.

'THE NEW YORK TIMES' FRANK BRUNEY WILL BE HERE.

ALL THAT AND MORE AS 'METROFOCUS' STARTS RIGHT NOW.

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THIS IS 'METROFOCUS,' WITH RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD, AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

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TO ALL RUNS AND DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS ACROSS THIS NATION, I SAY IT IS TIME FOR US TO COME TOGETHER AS ONE UNITED PEOPLE.

[ APPLAUSE ] IT'S TIME.

THAT WAS PRESIDENT ELECT TRUMP IN HIS FIRST ADDRESS TO THE NATION.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO 'METROFOCUS.'

I'M JACK FORD.

IT WILL GO DOWN AS POSSIBLY THE MOST SHOCKING UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICAN POLITICS.

TONIGHT, WE'LL EXAMINE SOME OF THE KEY FACTORS THAT LED TO THE ELECTION OF OUR 45th COMMANDER IN CHIEF AND TELL YOU WHAT IT MAY MEAN FOR THE TRISTATE AND FOR YOU.

BUT FIRST, LET'S GET TO THE VOTE.

FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE FDR WON IN 1944, THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES, BOTH OF WHOM CALL NEW YORK HOME, SPENT ELECTION NIGHT RIGHT HERE IN THE BIG APPLE.

THE CALL WAS MADE LATE, SO HERE'S A BRIEF RECAP.

SECRETARY CLINTON CALLED PRESIDENT ELECT TRUMP TO CONCEDE SHORTLY BEFORE 3:00 A.M.

TRUMP AND HIS ENTOURAGE MADE THEIR WAY OVER TO THE MIDTOWN HILTON HOTEL TO CELEBRATE A CLEAN SWEEP FOR THE GOP AND A WINNING MANDATE, ACCORDING TO THEM, AGAINST THE LAST EIGHT YEARS UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA.

IT WAS A MUCH DIFFERENT SCENE DOWNTOWN AT CLINTON ELECTION HEADQUARTERS, WHERE THE WOULD-BE FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT DID NOT ACTUALLY SHOW UP.

HER BIG APPEARANCE COMING HOURS LATER TODAY.

WE MUST ACCEPT THIS RESULT, AND THEN LOOK TO THE FUTURE.

DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO BE OUR PRESIDENT.

WE OWE HIM AN OPEN MIND AND THE CHANCE TO LEAD.

OUR CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY ENSHRINES THE PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER, AND WE DON'T JUST RESPECT THAT, WE CHERISH IT.

AS FOR THE OUTGOING COMMANDER IN CHIEF, PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA EXTENDED AN INVITATION TO DONALD TRUMP TO MEET HIM TOMORROW TO DISCUSS THE TRANSITION.

OH I'VE INSTRUCTED MY TEAM TO FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE THAT PRESIDENT BUSH'S TEAM SET EIGHT YEARS AGO AND WORK AS HARD AS WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A SUCCESSFUL TRANSITION FOR THE PRESIDENT ELECT.

BECAUSE WE ARE NOW ALL ROOTING FOR HIS SUCCESS.

SO HOW DID OUR PRESIDENT ELECT PULL OFF SUCH AN HISTORIC UPSET?

JOINING US NOW IS OUR FRIEND JEFF GREEN.

JEFF, ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THE SURPRISE, THE SHOCK OF THIS.

AS WE SIT HERE, SHOULD WE HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE SEEN IT, AND IN FACT, SOME PEOPLE DID SEE THE PROSPECT OF A CLOSE ELECTION.

ONE THING WE NEED TO PUT ON THE TABLE AT THE OUTSET, WHILE THIS IS AN ENORMOUS, UNPRECEDENTED, CONSEQUENTIAL EVENT, THE ACTUAL MARGINS WERE VERY SMALL.

THAT IS, IN AT LEAST THREE KEY STATES THAT I'VE LOOKED UP, TRUMP WON BY 1% OR LESS.

HAD THOSE THREE STATES GONE THE OTHER WAY, HILLARY CLINTON WOULD BE PRESIDENT ELECT.

THAT SAID, WHAT SHOCKED THE POLITICAL JOURNALISTIC ESTABLISHMENT WAS THAT, IN FACT, HE DID WHAT PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT HAVE SAID SOMEBODY COULD DO FOR DECADES, TURN OUT MISSING MOSTLY WHITE VOTERS AT A RATE THAT THE CALCULUS, THE NORMAL CALCULUS COULDN'T MEASURE.

HE DID DO THAT, IN RURAL AREA AFTER RURAL AREA ACROSS THE COUNTRY, HE OUTPERFORMED MITT ROMNEY, IN SOME CASES HE OUTPERFORMED RONALD REAGAN IN HIS LANDSLIDE WIN WITH THESE WHITE VOTERS.

THAT WAS SOMETHING I THINK PEOPLE DID NOT SEE COMING.

YOU'VE HEARD PEOPLE REFER TO A SILENT MAJORITY.

DO YOU THINK THAT WORKS, THE TERM SILENT MAJORITY FOR THIS?

YOU KNOW, THE SHY VOTER, THE BREXIT ANALOGY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THEY WERE NOT TALKING TO POLLSTERS OR THE POLLSTERS COULD AND FIND THEM, BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T IN THEIR LIKELY VOTER MODEL.

ONE THING HAVING BEEN AS WRONG ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE, I LOOKED AT SOMETHING I WROTE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, THAT IT'S A THEORY OF MINE THAT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WHEN DISAFFECTED VOTERS ARE TOLD THEY HAVE POWER THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAVE, THAT IS A PROPELLING INFLUENCE.

THE BEST EXAMPLE BEFORE LAST NIGHT IS WHEN CALIFORNIA RECALLED THEIR GOVERNOR IN 2003, PUTTING IN SCHWARZENEGGER.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY COULD DO THAT UNTIL AN AMBITIOUS CONGRESSMAN ADVERTISED HEY, THAT'S A RECALL.

I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IS A LOT OF THINGS PEOPLE FOUND OFFENSIVE ABOUT TRUMP, THE LARGER THAN LIFE BOASTFULNESS, THAT PENETRATED EVEN PEOPLE WHO WERE DISAFFECTED, OH, WAIT, THERE'S SOME GUY WHO FEELS JUST AS TICKED OFF AS I AM AT THE ECONOMY, AT POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, AT THE BIG SHOTS IN THE MEDIA, WHATEVER IT IS.

THIS GUY'S GOT THE STUFF TO TAKE THEM ON.

THAT, I THINK, WAS SOMETHING WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND AND WHAT'S FUNNY ABOUT THIS, JACK, EVEN SOMEBODY WHO WROTE ABOUT IT DIDN'T CALCULATE ENOUGH TO THINK OH, MAYBE HE COULD WIN.

THAT'S HOW BLIND ALMOST ALL OF US WERE TO THE POSSIBILITY.

I'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT POST ELECTION CHAOS, PERHAPS IN BOTH PARTIES.

WHAT DO YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE WITH REGARD TO BOTH PARTIES NOW AS THEY ATTEMPT TO MOVE FORWARD?

LAST NIGHT ON OUR COVERAGE, I SAID I WONDER WHAT BERNIE SANDERS IS THINKING RIGHT NOW, AND HIS FOLLOWERS.

BECAUSE I THINK THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENS WHEN A PARTY LOSES, PARTICULARLY UNEXPECTEDLY AS THE RECRIMINATIONS ERUPT, AND IN THIS CASE, THERE WERE -- LOOK HOW WELL SANDERS DID DURING THE PRIMARY.

THAT WAS BASED, IN PART, I THINK, ON NOT JUST HIS POLICIES, BUT THE NOTION -- AND I DID BELIEVE THIS -- THAT HILLARY CLINTON WAS NOT A STRONG CANDIDATE.

NOT THE FORMER FIRST LADY, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE, FORMER SENATOR.

SO I THINK THE SANDERS PEOPLE WOULD BE SAYING NOW IF BERNIE HAD BEEN THE NOMINEE WE WOULD HAVE WON.

IT'S EASY TO SAY THAT.

THE OTHER THING IS IF OBAMA HAD SAID TO JOE BIDEN, YOU'RE MY GUY, AND I WILL HE WILL HILLARY CLINTON, I'M SORRY, BUT I WANT JOE.

AND IF HE COULD HAVE RUN UNDER THE WEIGHT OF THE DEATH OF HIS SON, HOW DIFFERENT WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN?

YOU ALWAYS GET THESE WHAT IFS, BUT THAT'S ONE.

ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, THE NUMBER AND -- THE NUMBER OF REPUBLICAN IMPORTANT PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T BACK TRUMP IS UNPRECEDENTED.

SO HE'S GOING INTO AN -- A WASHINGTON WHERE SOMETHING LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, 20% OF THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS WOULDN'T BACK HIM.

NOW, MY GUESS IS, INITIALLY THERE WILL BE THIS FEELING OF HE'S THE PRESIDENT, WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER.

BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW BRUISED THOSE FEELINGS ARE GOING TO BE, PARTICULARLY ON THE PART OF PRESIDENT TRUMP.

AND I STILL HAVE TO PAUSE EVERY TIME I SAY THAT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS.

WHETHER OR NOT THERE WILL BE A BATTLE, THERE ARE ALREADY CALLS FOR PAUL RYAN'S SCALP FROM TRUMP'S MORE ARDENT SUPPORTERS BECAUSE HE WASN'T SUPPORTIVE ENOUGH.

AND TRUMP'S AGENDA IS DISTINCTLY IN MANY WAYS UNREPUBLICAN.

THAT'S THE FASCINATING PART OF THIS.

IT'S NOT REPUBLICAN ORTHODOXY YOU'RE SEEING COME OUT OF HIS PRESIDENT ELECT TRUMP'S MOUTH.

THIS WAS MUCH MORE LIKE A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE.

THE BASE OF THE PARTY OR ENOUGH OF THEM FELT THEIR OWN LEADERS WERE TOO WEAK.

THERE'S A NUMBER THAT WE SHOULD HAVE PAID MORE ATTENTION TO ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

ROUGHLY 2/3 OF REPUBLICAN VOTERS SAID THEY FELT BETRAYED BY THEIR LEADERS.

WELL, THEY BOUGHT THAT.

SO THE IDEA OF COMING IN WITH AN AGENDA LIKE, I WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON INFRASTRUCTURE.

LET'S SAY HE DOES IT.

THAT'S NOT WHERE THE REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS NECESSARILY ARE.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO FIND SOME INTERESTING BATTLES ON THAT FRONT, TOO.

I ALWAYS SAY I ALWAYS FEEL SMARTER AFTER I TALK WITH YOU.

IT'S A DELIGHT TO HAVE YOU HERE AND A LOT GOING FORWARD.

PLEASURE TO BE HERE, JACK.

YOU BE WELL.

> DONALD TRUMP WILL BE OUR PRESIDENT COME JANUARY 20th.

HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?

WHAT WILL A TRUMP GOVERNMENT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT WILL BE ITS EFFECT ON OUR NATION AND NEW YORK CITY AND THE TRISTATE REGION?

WITH 90% OF HILLARY CLINTON VOTERS HAVING TOLD POLLSTERS THEY WOULD BE AFRAID OF A TRUMP PRESIDENCY, HOW DOES HE BRING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER?

WELCOME BACK.

THANK YOU.

A VERY SURPRISING DAY.

DEMOGRAPHICS ASIDE, I WANT TO GET YOUR INSIGHTS.

FUNDAMENTALLY, WHY DID THIS UPSET HAPPEN?

WHY DID ALMOST EVERYBODY GET IT SO WRONG, HANK?

THIS IS A TRUE CRITICAL ELECTION, IN ACADEMIC TERMS AS WELL AS COMMON PARLANCE.

SHIFTING DEMOGRAPHICS, CHANGES IN HOW PEOPLE OBTAIN INFORMATION, HOW THEY INTERPRET IT, INCREASED GROUP COMPETITION, RACIAL AS WELL AS GENDER, LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.

THEY TELL THE PATTERN VERY CLEARLY.

AND THE FACT THAT TELEVISION IS NO LONGER THE MEDIAN THAT JOINS PEOPLE TOGETHER.

I THOUGHT THE CHANGING DEMOGRAPHIC WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HELPING THE DEMOCRATS, NOT HURT THEM.

I SAID THIS THE OTHER DAY, CHANGING DEMOGRAPHICS HELPS IN SOME STATES, BUT IT'S A TRANSITIONAL PROCESS.

SO YOU LOOK AT NORTH CAROLINA, CLOSER THAN IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

THAT STAY MAY BE A DEMOCRATIC STATE IN THE FUTURE.

BUT THE OTHER STUFF THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, THE FUNDAMENTAL WAY WE DO CAMPAIGNS, AND HOW WE POLL PEOPLE IS NOW QUESTIONABLE.

I THINK HILLARY CLINTON JUST HAD THE WRONG MESSAGE.

I THINK THE MEDIA, THE PUNDITS, POLLSTERS ALL MISSED THE TRUMP MOVEMENT, THE DEPTH OF IT AND THE POPULIST MESSAGE OF IT.

THERE ARE MILLIONS OF VOTERS WHO JUST WANT ECONOMIC GROWTH.

HILLARY NEVER BROKE FROM THE EIGHT YEARS OF THE OBAMA ECONOMY, WHICH HAS BEEN THE WORST FOR JOB GROWTH AND ECONOMY GROWTH SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION.

AND YOU PUT THAT WITH -- YOU PUT NO GROWTH AND NO WAGE GROWTH WITH PEOPLE AND THE POPULIST MESSAGE.

THERE WAS JUST AN ABSOLUTE WAVE.

YOU COULD SEE THE EXPANDED MAP.

YOU COULD SEE IT IN THE SIZE OF THE CROWDS FOR HIM.

SO CROWD ENTHUSIASM DIDN'T MATTER, AND THERE WERE SHY TRUMPITES OUT THERE.

THE TURNOUT WAS NOT WHAT THE PUNDITS EXPECTED.

PART IS THE POLLSTERS REFUSED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HILLARY WAS HAVING PROBLEMS MAINTAINING THE OBAMA COALITION.

THE OBAMA COALITION DID NOT TURN OUT FOR HER AT ALL.

LACK OF ENTHUSIASM.

WE'VE GOT TO MOVE ON.

HANK, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, SINCE AT LEAST 1972, HAS ABANDONED THE INTERESTS OF THE WORKING CLASS, ESPECIALLY THE WHITE WORKING CLASS.

THIS IS WHAT WE HEARD LAST NIGHT FROM COMMENTATORS.

AS A BLUE COLLAR WHITE GUY FROM NEW YORK CITY WHO HAS TRAVELED ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY AND THE WORLD,KY TELL YOU DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE THAT.

AND LABOR UNIONS HAVE FRANKLY GIVEN UP THEIR ROLE BY BEING TOO CLOSE TO MANAGEMENT AND TRYING TO BEHAVE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

WHAT HAPPENS HERE IS DONALD TRUMP BECAME THE CHANGE AGENT.

THE DEMOCRATS BECAME THE STATIC OPERATION.

IF YOU WANT TO CREATE CHANGE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE ON THE BOSS.

GUESS WHAT?

DONALD TRUMP TOOK ON THE BOSS.

THE BOSS IS WHOEVER PEOPLE THINK IT IS.

AND HILLARY CLINTON'S STATEMENT ABOUT DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTERS BEING A BASKET OF DEPLORABLES HAD A BIGGER IMPACT THAN MAYBE PEOPLE THOUGHT?

I THINK IT TOLD WHITE GUYS, NONCOLLEGE EDUCATED PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE IN NEW YORK OR CALIFORNIA, BY THE WAY, HILLARY TO THOSE PEOPLE, DROP DEAD.

THE REPUBLICANS WON THE PRESIDENCY, CONGRESS, AND THANKS TO HARRY REID, WHO DID THE NUCLEAR OPTION, THEY'LL PROBABLY GET THE MAJORITY OF THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, OR POSSIBLY.

BUT WILL IT BE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF RONALD REAGAN?

WILL IT BE A CONSERVATIVE FREE MARKET PARTY WITH AN AGGRESSIVE FOREIGN POLICY OR A NATIONAL POPULIST PARTY THAT DOESN'T WANT TO ENGAGE THE WORLD?

LAST NIGHT HE HAD UNIFYING SPEECH.

HE TALKED ABOUT ECONOMIC GROWTH ABOUT FIXING OUR CITIES, ABOUT BEING THE PRESIDENT FOR EVERYONE.

AND I THINK HE'LL MAKE MORE SPEECHES LIKE THAT.

AND I THINK HE WILL BRING PEOPLE ALONG.

HE IS A CEO WHO IS A BUSINESSMAN.

I THINK HE'S GOING TO RUN WASHINGTON LIKE THAT, AND I THINK THAT COULD BE REFRESHING.

THE BAD NEWS ABOUT OWING NOBODY NOTHING IS YOU OWE NOBODY NOTHING.

AND IF YOU DON'T OWE ANYBODY ANYTHING, THEY DON'T OWE YOU ANYBODY.

GOVERNMENT IS ABOUT COMPROMISING AND MAKING DEALS.

THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.

WHEN YOU SIT DOWN WITH A U.S.

SENATOR, YOU'LL TRADE X AND Y.

THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENS, WHEN YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF CONTROL BY ONE PARTY OR ONE FACTION IS THAT THE -- THOSE THAT WANT POWER TEND TO FACTUALIZE.

THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

THE QUESTION IS, DOES DONALD TRUMP, IS HE ABLE TO NAVIGATE THAT, CAN HE DEAL WITH THE FACT OF THE RELIGIOUS AND SOCIAL DIVIDES AND THE GENDER DIVIDE?

THESE ARE SERIOUS THINGS.

YOU DO THAT BY FINDING PROGRAMS AND POLICIES THAT TRY TO PEEL THOSE SCARS --

WHAT DOES A TRUMP GOVERNMENT LOOK LIKE, WHO'S IN IT?

YOU HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

HE IS A CEO, A MANAGER.

I THINK HE'S GOING TO PUT PEOPLE IN WHO HAVE DONE THINGS.

OBAMA HAS SURROUNDED HIMSELF VERY MUCH WITH ACADEMICS WHO HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF BACKGROUND IN RUNNING BIG ENTITIES.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SMALL BUSINESS GROWTH, WHICH WILL BE GREAT FOR THE ECONOMY.

WE'LL HAVE A CUT IN THE CORPORATE TAX RATE.

I THINK IF WE GET DOMESTIC GROWTH IN THIS COUNTRY, I JUST THINK EVERYTHING WILL UNIFY BEHIND IT AND WILL FEEL BETTER.

I THINK THAT WILL BE --

NEWT GINGRICH?

RUDY GIULIANI?

RUDY HAS BEEN TRAVELING WITH HIM ALMOST EVERY DAY.

SARAH PALIN?

YOU DON'T SEE HER MUCH.

WE DON'T KNOW WHO WILL BE AROUND HIM.

WE KNOW VLADAMIR PUTIN KNOWS WHO WILL BE AROUND HIM ON THE NATIONAL SECURITY SIDE, BECAUSE WE FACE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS IN EUROPE.

PRESIDENT OBAMA THE BIGGEST LOSER IN THE ELECTION?

NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY DID NOT DO A FAVOR BY LEAKING THE FACT THAT THE PREMIUMS WERE GOING TO JUMP BY SO MUCH.

THEY'RE STUCK WITH THESE PREMIUMS.

YOU KNOW THE CLINTONS.

FIRST OF ALL, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH THEM?

I WON'T.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY'RE FEELING TODAY?

A GREAT SENSE OF REJECTION.

IT IS THE END OF A 40-YEAR EXPERIENCE.

HOW WILL THIS -- A TRUMP PRESIDENCY AFFECT CITY, THE BLUEST OF THE BLUE CITIES.

HE'LL TAKE CARE OF NEW YORK, BECAUSE THIS IS HIS OWN.

HE'S TALKED ABOUT MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

HE LIKELY WILL TALK ABOUT SUBWAYS AND PUBLIC INFORMATION.

WILL IT MEAN CUTS IN SOCIAL SERVICES AND THINGS WE NEED?

YEAH, PROBABLY.

THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH.

LOOKING BACK, HISTORIANS MAY ARGUE THAT THE ELECTION OF DONALD TRUMP WAS A WATERSHED MOMENT FOR AMERICA'S MEDIA, WHICH HAS BEEN VILIFIED BY TRUMP AND ACCUSED BY MANY OF GIVING RISE TO A LARGELY NEVER BEFORE SEEN CANDIDATE LIKE OUR PRESIDENT ELECT.

BUT NOW, AS THE BILLIONAIRE BUSINESSMEN ASCENDS TO THE OVAL OFFICE, HOW SHOULD THE MEDIA COVER HIM?

CAN FENCE BS MENDED?

IN AN OP-ED, FRANK BRUNEY TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS ELECTION TERRIFIED HIM, ARGUING THIS IS NOW THE MEDIA'S MOMENT OF TRUTH, AND IT MUST CHOOSE TO CONSTRUCTIVELY DISCUSS POLITICS OR CHOOSE A PATH WHERE IT CLICKS AND THE NUMBER OF EYEBALLS STEER THE CONVERSATION.

SO JOINING US NOW WITH HIS THOUGHTS ON WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT, HOW WE SHOULD COVER OUR NEW PRESIDENT IS 'NEW YORK TIMES' COLUMNIST FRANK BRUNEY.

NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE WITH US.

NICE TO BE HERE.

SO I WANT TO FOCUS FIRST ON THE PIECE YOU DID WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT WHY THIS ELECTION TERRIFIED YOU.

I WANT TO STRESS TO PEOPLE, YOU WEREN'T PICKING ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, YOU WERE SAYING REGARDLESS OF WHO WINS, THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THIS THAT MOVING FORWARD TERRIFIES YOU.

YES.

I'M GOING TO USE ONE LINE THAT YOU USED FIRST, THEN COMING BACK TO SOME OTHER THINGS.

ONE OF THE ELEMENTS OF THIS TERRIFYING REACTION WAS THAT YOU SAID THE ELECTION WILL REDEEM AND SETTLE NOTHING.

WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT AND WHY IS THAT SO TERRIFYING TO YOU?

WE HAVE BECOME SO PARTISAN THAT NO ONE REALLY LOSES ANYMORE.

THEY CRY FOUL, THEY CRY RIGGED.

SO BEFORE THE RESULTS OF LAST NIGHT, WE SUSPECTED -- IT WAS SORT OF TELEGRAPHED BY DONALD TRUMP THAT IF HE LOST, HE WAS GOING TO SAY IT WAS RIGGED.

HE DIDN'T LOSE, HE WON.

BUT ALREADY I'M HEARING GRUMBLINGS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW YET, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE HILLARY CLINTON HAS A SHOT AT WINNING THE POPULAR VOTE.

SO SUPPORTERS WILL SAY THE SYSTEM IS ALL WRONG, BECAUSE YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LOSE THE PRESIDENCY IF YOU GET MORE VOTES.

SOMETHING WE HEAR OFTEN.

YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT EFFECT JAMES COMEY HAD ON THE ELECTION, AND I'VE HEARD SAID ALSO THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY LEAKING THE PREMIUMS THAT WILL BE RISING.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE THINGS PEOPLE CAN GRAB IT.

IT WILL ENABLE THEM TO SAY PEOPLE PUT THEIR FINGERS ON THE SCALE AND HILLARY CLINTON SHOULD HAVE WON THIS THING, SO DONALD TRUMP IS NOT LEGITIMATE.

HE WAS PREPARED TO DO THAT IF SHE WON.

HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD IF NOBODY ACCEPTS THE OUTCOME?

THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN ANYMORE IN AMERICAN POLITICS AND THAT TERRIFIES ME.

DID IT EVER HAPPEN, DO YOU THINK?

WE TEND TO -- OFF TIMES WE OFTEN HAVE THIS VIEW OF THE PAST AND PART OF THE SORT OF POLITICAL ORTHODOXY, THINGS SEEM TO BE SO MUCH BETTER.

IF YOU GO BACK FAR ENOUGH IN TIME, NO, THEY WEREN'T.

BUT IF YOU GO BACK TO THE POST WORLD WAR II YEARS, IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE LAST THREE OR FOUR DECADES, YEAH, I THINK THINGS ARE WORSE, AND PEOPLE ARE NOT LOSING GRACIOUSLY IN A WAY THEY USED TO.

WE SAW THIS DURING THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES WHERE BERNIE SANDERS WAS SAYING THE SOUTH COUNT TOOS MUCH, THE SUPER DELEGATES COUNT TOO MUCH.

EVERYONE IS ALWAYS MAKING THE CASE WHY THEY WERE TREATED UNJUSTLY OR WHY THE OUTCOME ISN'T FAIR, RATHER THAN ACCEPTING THE RETURNS AND FIGURING OUT HOW WE MOVE CONSTRUCTIVELY FORWARD.

THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY DIFFICULT, THIS TRUMP PRESIDENCY.

YOU ASKED ABOUT MOVING FORWARD, AND YOU HAD SAID THAT WHOEVER TAKES OFFICE WILL BE TAKING OFFICE NOT ON A WAVE OF HOPE, BUT RATHER AGAINST TIDES OF DISGUST AND YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT?

LET ME ASK YOU THAT, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD?

WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO BE MORE MATURE THAN WE'RE BEING AND REALIZE THAT IF WE JUST KEEP BICKERING, AND WE DON'T EVER GIVE ANYONE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT OR FIND AREAS OF COMPROMISE, WE'RE GOING TO BE STUCK.

WE'RE NOT DOING THINGS IN OUR COUNTRY WHEN IT PERTAINS TO INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE KNOW ARE NECESSARY INVESTMENTS IN THE FUTURE.

WE'RE NOT DOING THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO TAX REFORM, AND WE'RE NOT DOING IT BECAUSE THERE'S FIGHTS OVER WHO WILL GET THE CREDIT, WHO WILL BENEFIT WHEN THE PEOPLE NEXT GO TO THE POLLS.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THIS WINNING AND LOSING DYNAMIC, IS MATTERING MORE THAN CONSTRUCTIVE ACTION.

WE NEED TO MAKE THE CENTER A MORE ROMANTIC AND ACCEPTABLE PLACE IN POLITICS.

WE NEED TO STOP USING COMPROMISE AS A DIRTY WORD, AND ALMOST KIND OF MAKE IT A POLITICAL GOAL.

IT'S THE CORNER STONE OF ANY DEMOCRACY.

HARRY CLAY WAS CALLED THE BIGGEST COMPROMISER, AND YET NOW IT'S A DIRTY WORD.

NOW EVERYBODY FEELS LIKE IF THEY DON'T GET THEIR EXACT WAY ON ISSUE AFTER ISSUE, THEY SHOULD ADOPT A POSTURE OF PERMANENT BATTLE.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY A DEMOCRACY IS SUPPOSED TO WORK, AND WE HAVE TO GET AWAY FROM THAT.

WE HAVE TO GET AWAY FROM BEING A COLLECTION OF PASSIONATE INTEREST GROUPS, AND WE HAVE TO GET TOWARD BEING A LARGER BODY OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE DESIGNED SOME SHARED VALUES AND SHARED GOALS THAT WE CAN ACT ON.

LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE MEDIA GOING FORWARD HERE, AND YOU LOOK AT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT ELECT TRUMP, AND THE IMMEDIATE YOU IN THE PAST.

YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS GO BACK TO ONE OF MY MENTORS, FRED FREMBLEY, AND HE SAID, AS JOURNALISTS, YOUR JOB IS TO BE A RESPECTFUL SKEPTIC.

AND EACH ELEMENT IS IMPORTANT.

IF WE LOOK AT THE ADVERSARIAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE PRESS AND DONALD TRUMP, HOW DOES THAT GO FORWARD?

WE HAVE NO IDEA, BECAUSE WHAT HE NEEDED FROM THE PRESS OR HOW HE WANTED TO USE THE PRESS TO GET ELECTED IS VERY DIFFERENT WHAT HE FACES NOW.

HIS RELATIONSHIP AND WHAT HE NEEDS FROM THE PRESS IS MUCH DIFFERENT NOW.

HE NEEDED DURING THAT CAMPAIGN OR HE WAGERED THAT WOULD BENEFIT TO DO THINGS THAT WERE OUTRAGEOUS OR SALACIOUS OR PROVOCATIVE ENOUGH TO REMAIN IN THE HEADLINES A AND TO DRIVE THE NARRATIVE.

I DON'T THINK HE'S GOING TO USE HIS TWITTER ACCOUNT AS PRESIDENT TO STAY ON THE FRONT PAGES EVERY DAY.

BUT THAT'S A CONCERN ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, DURING THIS CAMPAIGN, WE DID NOT SEE A LOT OF ADULT BEHAVIOR AND THE PRESIDENCY IS KIND OF THE MOST ADULT OFFICE IMAGINABLE.

THIS IS A REAL RESTART FOR DONALD TRUMP AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A RESTART FOR HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MEDIA.

MY HOPE IS TO GET YOU BACK IN TO CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION

THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

THANKS SO MUCH.

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