September 28, 2016: Biden Bites Back. Fed Charges for Anthony Weiner? Albany Corruption: The Latest. East Harlem Holdout: The Landlord Responds

Tonight, the nation is still a livewire of opinions and emotions after Monday night’s presidential debate at Hofstra University. Both political camps have been impassioned on social media and in television, including Vice President Joe Biden, who took to the stage in Philadelphia yesterday to campaign for Hillary Clinton. Tonight, as a part of our ongoing series  Listening In, we’ll show you the no-holds-barred speech the vice president gave at Drexel University concerning statements Donald Trump made regarding taxes and his finances during the first presidential debate.

Next, a federal investigation is underway and disgraced former Congressman Anthony Weiner will potentially face federal charges over his latest sexting scandal. The FBI, as well as the NYPD, have opened preliminary investigations into allegations that Weiner exchanged sexually explicit messages with a 15-year-old high school student. This is all in addition to the existing investigation by the New York City Child Welfare Agency after images from a previous sexting scandal surfaced including his 4-year-old son. Will Anthony Weiner find himself serving time? Criminal defense attorney Paul P. Martin joins us to discuss the investigations and the charges Weiner could face if the allegations prove to be credible.

Then, another day, another corruption charge in Albany. First Sheldon Silver, then Dean Skelos. Now, the latest corruption case finds two former aides of Governor Cuomo charged by the U.S. Attorney’s office, along with a senior state official and others in connection to the governor’s signature upstate economic development program dubbed “Buffalo Billion.” This, of course, not only raises major questions about how the governor’s programs were managed, but also how the governor has handled corruption in the capitol, something he vowed to clean up when he took office. Albany Bureau Chief for Politico, Jimmy Vielkind sheds light on the current political climate in Albany and what it means for the governor and his administration.

And finally, the fight over gentrification and affordable housing in New York City is all too real for some New Yorkers. Last week, we introduced you to one of them, Raymond Tirado, who refuses to move out of his East Harlem apartment. He has turned down several buyout offers from his landlord, and is now the subject of the documentary “Last Tenant Standing in East Harlem.” Tonight we’re bringing you the other side of this story. Yi Han, the co-owner of Tirado’s building, has plans to redevelop the property and feels her project will make the Manhattan neighborhood more accessible to the middle class. She joins us with her response to the film and to tell us what challenges developers are facing as they try to build in the city.

 

TRANSCRIPT

YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE WITH AN OPINION ON MONDAY NIGHT'S DEBATE.

IT LEFT VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN FURIOUS AT DONALD TRUMP.

WE'RE ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL LISTENING IN AS MIDDLE CLASS JOE TAKES ON THE DONALD'S TRUMPED UP TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS.

> AND THE WIENER SEXTING SCANDAL CONTINUES.

COULD ALLEGED TEXT MESSAGES TO A 15-YEAR-OLD GIRL LAND THE DISGRACED CONGRESSMAN BEHIND BARS FOR 15 TO 30 YEARS?

WE'LL INVESTIGATE.

> ANOTHER DAY, ANOTHER CORRUPTION CHARGE IN ALBANY.

WHAT WILL IT MEAN FOR POLITICIANS WHO WERE SWORN TO SERVE NOT STEAL?

WE PROBE THE POLITICAL CLIMATE IN THE CAPITAL.

> AND THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY, LAST WEEK WE TOLD YOU ABOUT THE NEW YORKER WHO REFUSES TO MOVE OUT OF HIS APARTMENT.

TONIGHT HIS LANDLORD GOES ON THE RECORD.

WHO WILL YOU BELIEVE?

ALL THAT AND MORE AT 'METROFOCUS' STARTS RIGHT NOW.

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THE SPIN CYCLE STILL IN HIGH GEAR AFTER THE COLON/TRUMP DEBATE WITH THE AIRWAVES AND THE INTERNET STILL AFLAME WITH PASSIONATE COMMENTS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL AISLE.

AND IT WAS WITH EXTREME PASSION THAT VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN TOOK TO THE STAGE IN DREXEL UNIVERSITY IN PHILADELPHIA TO HAVE HIS SAY ON THE DEBATE AND CANDIDATE TRUMP IN HIS USUAL POINTED AND STRAIGHT TALKING WAY.

LET'S LISTEN IN.

SAW THAT DEBATE LAST NIGHT, DIDN'T YOU?

I TELL YOU WHAT, IF THIS CHOICE ISN'T CLEAR I DON'T KNOW -- OH, MY LORD.

DONALD TRUMP IS PAINFULLY UNINFORMED.

NO.

NO.

THIS ISN'T FOR CHEERING.

I WANT TO MAKE AN IMPORTANT POINT.

AND HIS POLICIES ARE -- ARE NOT VERY HELPFUL FOR THE COUNTRY.

BUT WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THIS RACE, AND I KNOW I'M SORT OF A ONE MAN BROKEN RECORD ON THIS, BUT WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THIS RACE IS HOW -- HOW PALPABLE HIS CYNICISM IS ABOUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HE DIDN'T PAY TAXES BECAUSE HE'S SMART.

MAKES HIM SMART.

TELL THAT TO THE JANITOR HERE WHO IS PAYING TAXES, TELL HIM MY DAD WHO WHEN HE WAS ALIVE BUSTED HIS NECK WORKING 60 HOURS A WEEK, PAID ALL HIS TAXES.

TELL THAT TO YOUR MOTHER'S AND FATHERS WHO ARE BREAKING THEIR NECK TO SEND YOU HERE WHO ARE PAYING THEIR TAXES.

NO, I REALLY MEAN IT.

IT ANGERS ME.

IT ANGERS ME.

HE ACKNOWLEDGED -- HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WHEN THE HOUSING CRISIS -- WHEN THE HOUSING MARKET COLLAPSED MAYBE YOUR PARENTS IF THEY DIDN'T LOSE THEIR HOME THEY LOST THE EQUITY IN THE HOME.

THE EQUITY IS FOR THE RETIREMENT, IT IS TO BE ABLE TO GET YOUR BROTHER OR SISTER TO SCHOOL, THE EQUITY WAS THEIR INSURANCE, THAT EQUITY WAS WHAT GAVE THEM PEACE OF MIND WHEN THEY GOT IN BID AND THIS IS A GUY -- THIS IS A GUY WHO SAID -- AND WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT -- THAT IT WAS GOOD BUSINESS FOR HIM TO SEE THE HOUSING MARKET FAIL.

WHAT IN THE HELL IS HE TALKING ABOUT?

NO.

NO.

NO.

NO.

REALLY.

LOOK, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR EIGHT PRESIDENTS, DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN, I'VE DISAGREED AND I'VE AGREED, BUT EVERY PRESIDENT I HAVE SERVED WITH, INCLUDING THE REPUBLICANS, HAS HAD A MORAL CENTER ABOUT WHAT IT WAS TO BE AN AMERICAN, ABOUT WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO, ABOUT WHAT BASIC FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS ARE.

> WE'VE ALL SEEN REPORTS THAT DISGRACED FORMER CONGRESSMAN ANTHONY WEINER IS ALLEGEDLY AT IT AGAIN.

WIENER IS EMBROILED IN YET ANOTHER SEXTING SCANDAL BUT THIS TIME IT MAY LAND HIM BEHIND BARS WHERE HE COULD BE FACING FEDERAL CHARGES.

THE FBI AS WELL AS THE NYPD HAVE OPENED PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATIONS AMIDST ALLEGATIONS THAT ANTHONY WEINER EXCHANGED SEXUALLY EXPLICIT TEXT MESSAGES WITH A 15-YEAR-OLD HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT.

THIS COMES IN ADDITION TO AN ALREADY EXISTING INVESTIGATION BY THE NEW YORK CITY CHILD WELFARE AGENCY AFTER IMAGES FROM HIS PREVIOUS SEXTING SCANDAL SHOWED HIS FOUR-YEAR-OLD SON IN ONE OF THE PHOTOS.

I SPOKE WITH CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY AND FORMER DISTRICT ATTORNEY PAUL MARTIN.

IF THE FACTS PROVE CREDIBLE WHAT CHARGES WILL ANTHONY WEINER BE FACING?

FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

THERE'S TWO CHARGES THAT HE COULD BE FACING IN FEDERAL COURT AND ONE CHARGE IN -- IN NEW YORK STATE COURT.

IN FEDERAL COURT IT'S CHILD PORNOGRAPHY CHARGES AND I DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO THE STATUTE BUT BASICALLY HAVING INFORMATION ON YOUR COMPUTER OR ON YOUR PHONE THAT IS SEXUALLY EXPLICIT AND THE PERSON WAS UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE, HE COULD BE CHARGED WITH THAT CRIME.

AND IN NEW YORK STATE THERE IS A MISS DEMEANOR CALLED CHILD ENDANGERMENT, IF YOU MAKE SEXUALLY EXPLICIT COMMENTS TO AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS UNDER A CERTAIN AGE, IN THIS SITUATION IT WOULD APPLY, YOU COULD BE CHARGED WITH A MISDEMEANOR.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE SENTENCES ARE SO TOTALLY VASTLY DIFFERENT.

REALLY?

IN FEDERAL COURT THE MINIMUM IS 15 YEARS, THE MAXIMUM IS 30 YEARS.

UH-HUH.

IN THE NEW YORK STATE CASE IF HE'S CONVICTED OF THAT THE MAXIMUM IS A YEAR IN JAIL.

SO THE -- WHAT HE'S FACING IS SUBSTANTIAL AND VERY SERIOUS.

OKAY.

NOW, BUT THERE'S ALSO A THIRD STATE INVOLVED HERE BECAUSE THE YOUNG WOMAN WHO IS INVOLVED IS FROM, I BELIEVE, SOUTH CAROLINA AND THAT WOULD BRING IN A WHOLE OTHER ANGLE TO THIS.

THAT WOULD BRING IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANGLE BUT REALLY THE ACT -- AND IT'S SOMEWHAT STRANGE.

THE ACT IS REALLY IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK --

BECAUSE HE WAS --

BECAUSE IF HE WAS HERE AT THE TIME THAT HE SENT THE QUESTIONS OR THE COMMENTS, THEN THE PLACE WHERE IT WOULD BE TRIED IS HERE IN NEW YORK STATE.

OKAY.

IF IT'S FEDERAL COURT THAT'S ACROSS STATE LINES, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE HERE IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK.

SO WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE FBI AND THE NYPD HAVE OPENED A PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION AGAINST ANTHONY WEINER.

WHAT IS IT THAT THEY WOULD BE LOOKING FOR IN THOSE CELLPHONE RECORDS?

WELL, THEY WOULD BE LOOKING FOR THE TRANSMISSIONS, THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE CONTENT ON THE -- ON THE TRANSMISSIONS.

NOTHING IS DELETED IN THIS WORLD.

YOU CAN'T HIDE IT.

SO THEY WOULD BE LOOKING FOR THE TRANSMISSIONS, WHEN THE TRANSMISSIONS WERE MADE, THE AMOUNT OF TRANSMISSIONS --

WOULD THERE BE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT ALSO STATED WHERE HE WAS WHEN THIS OCCURRED?

IT WON'T BE ON THE ACTUAL RECORDS BUT WHENEVER YOU MAKE A TRANSMISSION, WHETHER IT BE IT YOUR COMPUTER OR BE IT YOUR TELEPHONE THE LOCATION IS INDICATED.

OKAY.

IT'S A LITTLE RESEARCH BUT IT CAN EASILY BE FOUND.

SO THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF DELETING THAT HE CAN DO RIGHT NOW PROVIDED IF THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE DELETED THAT COULD COVER HIM.

NO, ALL HE WOULD BE DOING IS MAKING THE SITUATION WORSE BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE DOING OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE WHEN YOU TRY TO DELETE EVIDENCE THAT YOU KNOW HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL, NOW YOU HAVE ANOTHER CHARGE THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

OKAY.

SO THEN WITH ALL OF THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT WHAT -- WHAT KIND OF TIME HE MIGHT BE FACING, BUT WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO ACTUALLY BRING FORMAL CHARGES AND POSSIBLY AN INDICTMENT?

WELL, IN ORDER TO HAVE AN INDICTMENT ALL YOU NEED IS TO PROVE THAT ANTHONY WEINER IS THE INDIVIDUAL WHO ALLEGEDLY COMMITTED AN ACT AND THAT THE ACT WAS CRIMINAL, MEANING THAT AT THE TIME, DATE, LOCATION HE MADE A TRANSMISSION AND THE TRANSMISSION WAS SEXUALLY EXPLICIT TO AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS UNDER A CERTAIN AGE.

AND THAT'S ALL YOU NEED IS JUST THE BASICS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO THE SUM AND SUBSTANCE, JUST THE VERY BASICS TO BRING A CHARGE.

YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THE STATE, NEW YORK STATE, SOUTH CAROLINA, ET CETERA, BUT I'M WONDERING WITH THE HIGH PROFILE NATURE OF WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GROW INTO A CASE, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO CHANGE THE LAWS AT LEAST IN NEW YORK STATE?

LIKE DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WHEELS IN MOTION FOR THAT?

THERE'S ALREADY ON THE BOOKS CHILD ENDANGERMENT CHARGES THAT HE COULD BE CONVICTED OF.

WE ALSO HAVE IN NEW YORK STATE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY CHARGES.

SO THERE IS A MECHANISM HERE IN NEW YORK STATE, THE DIFFERENCE IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME OR THE SENTENCES THAT A PERSON CAN RECEIVE.

OKAY.

UNDER THE FEDERAL LAW THE TIME IS SUBSTANTIAL.

WHY IS IT SO DIFFERENT?

I MEAN, A YEAR BETWEEN 30?

THAT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

ONE IS A MISDEMEANOR AND ONE IS A FELONY, SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

OKAY.

THAT'S THE FIRST DIFFERENCE.

SECONDLY, THE LEGISLATURE OR THE CONGRESS IN THIS SITUATION THOUGHT THAT THESE SITUATIONS DEALING WITH CHILD PORNOGRAPHY AND OUR CHILDREN WITH SUCH A SUBSTANTIAL THREAT THAT THEY MADE THE PENALTY EXTREMELY SUBSTANTIAL.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, IF THESE ALLEGATIONS ARE PROVEN TO BE SUBSTANTIAL ANTHONY WEINER MIGHT HAVE A LOT TO LOSE.

HE MAY HAVE A LOT TO LOSE AND THE MAIN THING THAT HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO LOSE IS HIS LIBERTY.

15 YEARS IS A LONG TIME AND ESPECIALLY A LONG TIME IN THE FEDERAL PENITENTIARY WHEN IT'S SEXUALLY RELATED.

THOSE INDIVIDUALS DO NOT FAREWELL IN THE FEDERAL SYSTEM OR THE STATE SYSTEM FOR THAT MATTER.

ONE LAST QUESTION.

IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT SOMETHING COULD BE BROUGHT UP BY A DEFENSE ATTORNEY WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOWER THE SENTENCING OR IS IT A MANDATORY MINIMUM?

IT IS A MANDATORY MINIMUM.

THE MINIMUM IS 15 YEARS IN FEDERAL.

SO I WOULD THINK UNDER THESE FACTS -- THESE FACTS AND THE NATURE OF WHO HE IS, THAT IT WOULD BE HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT ANY PROSECUTOR WILL OFFER HIM A PLEA BARGAIN WHERE THEY WILL OFFER HIM LESS THAN THE MANDATORY MINIMUM.

PAUL MARTIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

> ANOTHER DAY, ANOTHER CORRUPTION CHARGE IN ALBANY.

FIRST SHELDON SILVER, THEN DEAN SKELOS, NOW THE LATEST CORRUPTION CASE FINDS TWO FORMER AIDS TO GOVERNOR JOE MOW CHARGED BY THE U.S. ATTORNEYS OFFICE ALONG WITH A SENIOR STATE OFFICIAL AND OTHERS IN CONNECTION TO THE GOVERNOR'S SIGNATURE UPSTATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM DUBBED BUFFALO BILLION.

THIS RAISES MAJOR QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE GOVERNOR'S PROGRAMS WERE MANAGED BUT MORE SO HOW HAS THE GOVERNOR HANDLED CORRUPTION IN THE CAPITAL, SOMETHING HE VOWED TO CLEAN UP.

SO WHAT IS THE CLIMATE IN ALBANY FOLLOWING THE CHARGES AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR GOVERNOR KWO HE MOW NOW THAT THESE CHARGES MARK THE FIRST TIME THAT THE U.S.

ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS ALLEGED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN CONNECTION TO HIS ADMINISTRATION?

JOINING ME NOW WITH ANALYSIS AND REACTION FROM THE STATE CAPITAL IS JIMMY VIELKIND FOR 'POLITICO.'

JIMMY, WELCOME.

HAPPY TO BE HERE.

FIRST AND FOREMOST BRERARA HAS CALLED OUR CAPITAL A CAULDRON OF CORRUPTION.

WHAT IS IT LIKE THERE NOW?

I THINK PEOPLE ARE SADDENED AND SHOCKED BY WHAT THEY READ ABOUT PRECOCO BECAUSE AS YOU SAID WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST YEARS GOING BACK TO THE INDICTMENT AND THEN CONVICTION AND THEN ACQUITTAL OF JOE BRUNO THE FORMER SENATE MAJORITY LEADER WAS THAT A LOT OF THESE CASES CENTERED AROUND ELECTED LEGISLATORS, THAT IS THE 213 MEMBERS OF THE STATE SENATE AND THE ASSEMBLY, BUT CUOMO RODE INTO OFFICE IN 2010 --

HE WAS GOING TO BE OUR SAVIOR.

HE WAS GOING TO CLEAN UP ALBANY, HE WAS THE FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL, IN SOME CASES HE BROUGHT CORRUPTION CASES AGAINST THE FORMER COMPTROLLER AND AGAINST SEVERAL SITTING LEGISLATORS, BUT NOW HIS CENTRAL TEAM WHICH HE HELD OUT AS ONE OF INTEGRITY TO BE CHARGED LIKE THIS IS A BLOW, I THINK IT'S A BLOW TO THE MORALE OF THE GOVERNOR'S CURRENT TEAM, I THINK IT'S GOING TO DISTRACT FROM WHAT HE'S GOING TO BE TRYING TO DO MOVING INTO NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION STARTING NEXT YEAR AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE LINGERING QUESTIONS, SOME OF THEM DRIVEN BY PARTISAN MOTIVATION AS TO WHAT THE GOVERNOR KNEW, WHEN HE KNEW IT AND HOW SOMEONE SO CLOSE TO HIM -- BECAUSE YOU MIGHT KNOW HIS -- HE HAS COMPARED PRECOCO TO A BROTHER.

YEAH.

VERY CLOSE.

HE KNEW HIS CHILDREN, THEY WOULD GO FISHING TOGETHER.

HOW COULD SOMEONE WHO IS ESSENTIALLY HALF OF YOUR POLITICAL BRAIN BE DOING THESE SCHEMES AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT IT?

OKAY.

SO AS YOU MENTIONED WHEN YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE SHOCKED AND SADDENED, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT OTHER LEGISLATORS OR PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION?

BECAUSE I THINK FOR THE PUBLIC'S PERCEPTION REALLY YOU'RE SHOCKED AT THIS POINT, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY YEAR WE GO THROUGH THIS WITH ALBANY.

WELL, THAT'S THE THING.

YOU KNOW, A POLL EARLIER THIS MONTH FOUND THAT THE NEW YORK STATE SENATE WHICH HAS I THINK ON BALANCE MORE ARRESTS PER CAPITA THAN THE ASSEMBLY WAS FOUND TO BE AT ITS HIGHEST POINT OF PUBLIC ESTEEM.

THIS IS AFTER IT'S LEADER DEAN SKELOS WAS CONVICTED AND OUSTED FOR ALLEGEDLY STEERING JOBS AND MONEY TO HIS SON ADAM.

YEAH.

BUT, YES, THERE IS A SENSE OF SADNESS IN ALBANY.

I THINK FOR PEOPLE ENGAGED IN GOVERNMENT THERE ARE MANY GOOD PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT, THERE ARE MANY LEGISLATORS WHO WORK HARD, MANY PEOPLE WORKING IN STATE AGENCIES AND WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION WHO ARE TRYING TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN, THEY'RE OVERSEEING PROGRAMS, THEY'RE DOING IMPORTANT WORK AND THEY GET ANGRY WHEN THESE KINDS OF THINGS HAPPEN.

I THINK THAT'S A PUBLIC PERCEPTION THAT'S PERHAPS NOT GETTING THROUGH.

I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

SO THEN THE QUESTION AND GOVERNOR CUOMO HAS SPOKEN ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST THE PERCEPTION BECOMES THE REALITY AND HE AS SOMEONE WHO IS HOPING TO PUSH A MORE ACTIVE GOVERNMENT KNOWS THAT IF THE PUBLIC DOESN'T TRUST WHAT HE'S DOING, HIS CAPACITY IS DIMINISHED.

SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME NODS TOWARD TRYING TO REPAIR THAT TRUST, TRYING TO BOLSTER THAT TRUST IN THE COMING WEEKS AND MONTHS SO THAT PEOPLE WATCHING AT HOME WHO DO SEE JUST THE PARADE OF MEN AND WOMEN IN HANDCUFFS, SO I THINK IT'S BASICALLY BEEN ALL MEN, HAVE SOME MORE FAITH IN THE PEOPLE THEY ELECT.

HOW DO THEY EVEN BEGIN TO GO ABOUT DOING THIS BECAUSE THIS WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME THAT WE HAVE SEEN SESSION STAR AND WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS CORRUPTION AND THEN NOTHING HAPPENS.

IT'S ACTUALLY I THINK PROBABLY THE FOURTH TIME IN AS MANY YEARS.

YEAH.

THIS IS AN ONGOING PROCESS AND I THINK WHAT WE'LL LOOK AT HERE ARE PERHAPS MORE ROBUST ENFORCEMENT OF SOME OF THE LAWS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.

THEN YOU COULD LOOK AT WHAT GOOD GOVERNMENT ADVOCATES HAVE LONG DESCRIBED AS THE ROOT OF A LOT OF THESE THINGS, WHICH IS CAMPAIGN CASH.

NOW, CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS WERE A PRESENCE IN THE 80-PAGE CRIMINAL COMPLAINT UNSEALED LAST WEEK BY THE U.S. ATTORNEY BUT THEY WERE NOT PART OF ANY ALLEGED CRIMINAL SCHEMES, HOWEVER, AS THIS WAS GOING ON YOU HAD PRECOCO AND YOU HAD TODD HOWELL A LOBBYIST AND CONFIDANT OF THE GOVERNOR DIRECTING PRIVATE DEVELOPERS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE GOVERNOR'S CAMPAIGN COFFERS AND THEN YOU HAD THOSE COMPANIES RECEIVING VERY LUCRATIVE CONTRACTS FROM THE STATE'S SUNNI POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE WHICH IS BUILDING A LOT OF THESE HIGH TECH FACILITIES IN UPSTATE NEW YORK.

SHOULD THERE BE LIMITS ON THAT?

SHOULD WE HAVE MORE DISCLOSURE ABOUT WHO IS STEERING THESE CONTRIBUTIONS?

WHAT HAS EXISTED FOR MORE THAN 100 YEARS HAS BEEN THIS IDEA OF PAYING AND PLAYING AND AS LONG AS THERE IS NO --

I GUESS THAT IS PART OF THE QUESTION IS CUFF ALBANY WITHOUT CORRUPTION BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT COMES OUT IN THESE CASES IS THAT IS JUST HOW BUSINESS IS DONE.

THAT'S THE THING.

YOU ARE NOT TALKING -- YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A FEW BAD APPLES ALLEGED IN A CRIMINAL SCHEME BUT THEY ARE A CREATURE OF A LARGER CULTURE AND THAT CULTURE HAS BEEN VERY RESISTANT TO CHANGE.

IT GOES BACK TO THE DAYS OF AT THAT MINI HALL.

THERE IS A HISTORY PROFESSOR KEN JACKSON WHO NOTES THAT IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK ABOUT 40, 45% OF THE POPULATION IS IN NEW YORK CITY BUT THE CAPITAL IS 150 MILES AWAY WHERE NO ONE CAN WATCH.

IF PEOPLE AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION THE CULTURE IS GOING TO REMAIN AND RIGHT NOW IN THAT CULTURE YOU HAVE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS BEING A MAJOR FOCUS FOR LEGISLATORS AND FOR LAWMAKERS, YOU HAVE BASICALLY COMPANIES HIRING LOBBYISTS TO GET ACCESS TO OFFICIALS TO GET ACCESS TO STATE PROGRAMMING AND IT'S SORT OF AN INSIDER'S TRACK AND IF YOU ARE NOT AN INSIDER YOU CAN PAY TO BECOME ONE.

JIMMY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING US SOME INSIGHT INTO WHAT IS GOING ON IN ALBANY.

AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE THE YEAR.

I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TO BELIEVE, RIGHT?

YOU'VE GOT TO BELIEVE AND, YOU KNOW, THE METS WILL WIN THE WORLD SERIES AND THE BILLS WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.

THERE YOU GO.

IT WILL BE A GREAT DAY FOR NEW YORK.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

PLEASURE.

> THE FIGHT OVER GENTRIFICATION AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE IN NEW YORK CITY IS ALL TOO REAL FOR SOME NEW YORKERS.

LAST WEEK WE INTRODUCED YOU TO ONE OF THEM, RAYMOND TRADO WHO REFUSES TO MOVE OUT OF HIS EAST HARLEM APARTMENT.

HE LIVES ALONE IN A BUILDING ON EAST 109th STREET AND HAS TURNED DOWN SEVERAL BUYOUT OFFERS FROM HIS LANDLORD WHO WANTS TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY.

HIS STORY WAS PRO FILED IN THE DOCUMENTARY LAST TENANT STANDING IN EAST HARLEM WHICH WE AIRED LAST WEEK.

I HAVE BEEN HERE 50 YEARS.

I'VE SEEN IT ALL.

THIS IS ALL I REALLY KNOW AND I DON'T WANT TO BE MOVED OUT OF HERE.

SOME PEOPLE MAY CALL ME AN IDIOT BECAUSE I DON'T TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN.

BUT WHERE AM I GOING TO GO?

FLORIDA, IT'S NICE, IT'S WARM, BUT IT'S TOO SLOW FOR ME.

AND IT'S NOT AS ACCESSIBLE AS IT IS IN THE CITY.

AND MY SON WHICH I LOVE THE HECK OUT OF I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE HE'S READY FOR LIFE AFTER ME AND THIS APARTMENT WAS MY IDEA OF TAKING CARE OF HIM AFTER I'M GONE BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT HE WILL BE ABLE TO PAY THE RENT HERE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF HE WAS LAID OFF OR GOT A BAD JOB, IF HE KNOWS HE HAS THIS RENT CONTROL SITUATION HERE HE WILL BE ALL RIGHT.

NOW WE'RE BRINGING YOU THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY AND HEARING FROM ONE OF THE BUILDING'S CO-OWNERS, YI HAN JOINS ME WITH MORE ON THIS AND THE CHALLENGE DEVELOPERS ARE FACING AS THEY TRY TO BUILD IN THE CITY.

WELCOME.

FIRST HAVING SEEN THAT CLIP FROM THE DOCUMENTARY TELL ME WHAT'S YOUR REACTION?

ACTUALLY, MY REACTION TO THIS IS ACTUALLY CALM BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH RAYMOND FOR A LONG TIME.

WE HAVE OFFERED HIM THREE OPTIONS, ONE IS TO STAY IN HIS APARTMENT AND WE RENOVATE THE BUILDING AND HE CAN HAVE HIS RENTAL CONTROL APARTMENTS FOREVER AND PASS IT ON TO HIS NEXT GENERATION.

AND TWO IS TO PAY HIS RENT TEMPORARILY FOR TWO, THREE YEARS UNTIL WE FINISH THE BUILDING AND GIVE HIM EQUAL SIZE APARTMENT BUT THEN HE WILL HAVE TO PAY UTILITIES, TAX AND THREE IS TO BUY HIM OUT.

ACTUALLY TO DO THE BEST FOR HIS SON HIS CHOICE IS TO BE BOUGHT OUT BECAUSE NOT ONLY THAT HIS SON IS GOING TO BE WITH THE MONEY WILL NOT OPENLY WILL HIS SON BE ABLE TO OWN SOMETHING, BUT ALSO TO CORRECT RENTS AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING A JOB OR ANYTHING.

MY HEART IS FOR HIM BECAUSE HE IS A PERSON WHO LIVED IN THAT APARTMENT FOR 50 YEARS, WHICH IS NOT EASY AND I HAVE TO GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR THAT.

BUT HIM AS A TENANT AND ME REPRESENTING INVESTORS AND DEVELOPERS ULTIMATELY THERE IS A NUMBER THAT HAS TO MAKE SENSE AND A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE TO LOOK AT BUSINESS AS BUSINESS AND SEE WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEST FOR BOTH SIDES AND REACH A POINT THAT WILL BE GOOD FOR BOTH.

OKAY.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE'S HEART STRINGS ARE IMMEDIATELY GOING TO GET TUGGED WHEN THEY HEAR BUSINESS IS BUSINESS.

SO FIRST AND IF IT'S POSSIBLE CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO A BUYOUT, BECAUSE THE WAY THE DOCUMENTARY MAKES IT FEEL, IT FEELS VERY MUCH LIKE --

HE'S GETTING FORCED OUT.

YEAH.

YES.

HE'S PUTTING A LOT OF THINGS INTO THE EMOTIONAL SIDE OF IT, BUT BUYOUT IS THERE IS A STANDARD THAT HPD HAS PUT OUT WHICH IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RENT THAT YOU'RE PAYING AS A RENT CONTROL OR RENT STABILIZED VERSUS THE MARKET RENT IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT THAT DIFFERENCE IS AND TIMES 15 YEARS.

OKAY.

AND USUALLY A BUYOUT ULTIMATELY YOU REACH A NUMBER THAT'S ACTUALLY MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT NUMBER.

BUT THERE IS A FORMULA.

THERE IS A FORMULA.

OKAY.

AND THEN FROM THE BUSINESS POINT OF VIEW AS A DEVELOPER WE SET A BUDGET FOR HOW MUCH THE LAND WILL COST, THE SQUARE FOOT, WE SET A BUDGET FOR HOW MUCH CONSTRUCTION WILL COST FOR THE SQUARE FOOT AND WE SET A BUDGET FOR FINANCIAL COST.

OKAY.

AND MARKETING COST AND THEN WE HAVE A CONTINGENCY AMOUNT THAT IS FOR BUYOUTS, BUT WHEN THE NUMBERS YOU ADD OBVIOUSLY TOGETHER AND THE MARKET STUDY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SAYS IT'S NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THAT NUMBER, THEN -- THEN DEVELOPERS HAVE MANY OTHER CHOICES, AS IN THIS SCENARIO, YOU KNOW, I HAD TO MOVE OUT -- MOVE ON WITH MY LIFE AND MOVE ON TO A DIFFERENT PROJECT.

USUALLY SOPHISTICATED DEVELOPERS WILL HAVE MORE THAN ONE PROJECT AT A TIME.

OKAY.

SO WHEN A TENANT WILL SAY I'M HOLDING OUT, THEN DEVELOPERS SAY, OKAY, YOU HOLD OUT, YOU CONTINUE TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO OR YOU TAKE YOUR TIME TO THINK ABOUT THE RESULT, BUT LET ME, YOU KNOW, DO ANOTHER PROJECT AT THE SAME TIME AND THEN AT END MAYBE THE LAND GETS FLIPPED.

OKAY.

OR THE SHARES GET SOLD OR THEY TRANSFER THE AIR RIGHTS ON TO THE REST OF THE PARCEL AND BUILD AND THEN YOU'RE LEFT WITH A SMALL OLD BUILDING STANDING AT THE CORNER.

OKAY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR COMMUNITY.

WELL, LET ME ASK YOU A LITTLE BIT.

WHAT IS IT THAT YOUR DEVELOPMENT COMPANY HAD IN MIND FOR THIS AREA?

WHAT WAS GOING TO BE BUILT AND WHO WOULD IT BE BUILT FOR?

MY COMPANY ACTUALLY SPECIALIZES FOR MIDDLE CLASS.

SO WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING A LOT OF THINGS IN QUEENS, IN BROOKLYN AND IN LOWER MANHATTAN WHEN THE PRICE WAS NOT TOO HIGH.

SO TYPICALLY IN QUEENS OUR FINISHED PRODUCT IS SOMEWHERE AROUND $500 TO $600 A SQUARE FOOT.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN EAST HARLEM AS WELL.

IT WOULD BE SLIGHTLY HIGHER, THE MARKET IN EAST HARLEM IS $700 TO $900 PER SQUARE FOOT.

OKAY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $900 A SQUARE FOOT, HOPEFULLY IT WILL GO UP A LITTLE BIT NEXT TWO, THREE YEARS BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A TREMENDOUS A LOT.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION: IF RAYMOND WAS YOUR BROTHER, SOMEONE CLOSE TO YOU IN YOUR FAMILY, WHAT WOULD YOU ADVISE HIM TO DO?

I WOULD ADVISE HIM TAKE THE MONEY, AS MUCH AS YOU CAN, AND MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE AND SO THAT YOU ARE NO LONGER ON THIS SIDE OF THE QUESTION, YOU MOVE ON BECOME THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EQUATION WHERE YOU HAVE MONEY AND YOU CAN INVEST AND THAT'S HOW PEOPLE REALLY GET MONEY.

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE THAT REACTION AGAINST GENTRIFICATION AND DEVELOPERS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DESTROYING NEW YORK AND YOU ARE SORT OF THE BOOGIE MAN OF SMALL NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THIS?

THE QUESTION FIRST IS GENTRIFICATION BAD?

WHAT REALLY IS GENTRIFICATION?

PEOPLE ARE SEEING IT AS PICKING A SIDE BETWEEN POOR AND ULTRA RICH BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH GENTRIFICATION.

GENTRIFICATION IS A SLOW PROCESS OF, YOU KNOW, MIDDLE CLASS, ARTISTIC PEOPLE MOVING INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD, UP THE VALUE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN PEOPLE WOULD HAVE MORE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MOVE IN WITH HIGHER INCOME.

THAT'S -- GENTRIFICATION IS NOT A SUDDEN ONE NIGHT THING.

IT TAKES TIME.

IT TAKES YEARS TO MOVE.

OKAY.

AND SO THE QUESTION HERE IS DOES NEW YORK LIKE TO MOVE ON AND HAVE MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE MIDDLE CLASS OR UPPER MIDDLE CLASS MOVING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR DO THEY HOLD ON TO THE PROPERTY AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN AFFORD AND WE WOULD RATHER LIVE IN THOSE OLD BUILDINGS THAT'S GETTING READY TO CRASH THAT'S NOT BUILT ON A GOOD FOOTING FOUNDATION AND STAY THE LIFE THAT WE HAVE, OR HOW DO WE --

UNFORTUNATELY FOR SO MANY IT'S JUST -- UNFORTUNATELY IT'S WHAT'S FAMILIAR.

YES.

THAT'S A PSYCHOLOGICAL THING.

THAT'S WHAT I KNOW FROM MY PARENTS, THAT'S WHAT I KNOW NOW AND THAT'S WHAT I CAN HOLD ON TO.

YEAH.

WE CAN CLEARLY HEAR THAT FROM RAYMOND'S POINT OF VIEW AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT.

YI HAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US AND GIVING US THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS VERY CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC IN THIS CITY.

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