August 11, 2016: A-Rod’s Legacy. Pirro & “The Jinx”. Millionaires: “Tax The Rich”

Tonight, after a career boasting 696 home runs, 2,781 games played, and a 12 year-long career with the New York Yankees, Alex Rodriguez will play his last game tomorrow night and then hang up his pinstriped uniform for good. During his time with the Yankees, A-Rod has been one of the most polarizing characters in the game of baseball. But whether you love him or hate him, what will his legacy be? Emmy award-winning sportscaster Len Berman joins us to share his perspective on this Yankee who is considered one of the greatest Major Leaguers.

Next, it has now been 34 years since Kathleen Durst, first wife to real estate heir and suspected serial killer Robert Durst, disappeared. Former prosecutor Jeanine Pirro picked up the cold case 20 years ago when she was Westchester District Attorney and has made it her mission to bring Robert Durst to justice for the murders not only of his wife Kathleen, but also of his neighbor and a longtime friend. Now, after the release of HBO’s The Jinx: The Life and Deaths of Robert Durst, Fox News host Judge Jeanine Pirro joins us to discuss her personal and professional relationship with this case and her book He Killed Them All.

Finally, if you were a millionaire, what would you spend your money on? For some New Yorkers, that’s no fantasy, but they’re not looking to spend their cash on themselves. Filmmaker and CEO of Fork Films Abigail Disney, along with fifty other millionaires in New York, signed a document proposing a plan to Governor Andrew Cuomo that would increase taxes on upper-income New Yorkers. Disney joins us to explain how this plan would work for the state and where they want the money to go.

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> TONIGHT ON METROFOCUS, A-ROD CALLS IT QUITS AFTER 22 YEARS ON THE FIELD.

WHAT'S NEXT FOR ONE OF THE GAME'S MOST CELEBRATED AND CONTROVERSIAL STARS?

LEGANDARY SPORTS CASTER LEN BERMAN WEIGHS IN.

> I KILLED THEM ALL, WITH THOSE FOUR WORDS, JANINE PIRO VOWED JUSTICE AT ANY COST.

SHE'LL BREAK DOWN THE MYSTERY BEHIND ROBERT DURST AND 'THE JINX.'

> AND PAY MORE TAXES.

THAT'S WHAT SOME ONE PERCENTERS ARE CALLING FOR.

ALL THAT AND MORE AS METROFOCUS STARTS RIGHT NOW.

> THIS IS METROFOCUS WITH RAFAEL Pi ROMAN, JACK FORD, AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS PROVIDED BY --

FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM IS ALSO PROVIDED BY THE JPB FOUNDATION AND THE FORD FOUNDATION PERFORM.

> SINCE DEBUTING FOR THE YANKEES IN 2004, ALEX RODRIGUEZ HAS CAPTIVATED AND ENRAGED BASEBALL FANS IN THE CITY AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WITH HIS PLAY ON THE FIELD AND HIS ANTICS OFF THE FIELD.

LOVE HIM OR HATE HIM, HE'S CERTAINLY BECOME ONE OF THE MOST POLARIZING CHARACTERS IN PROFESSIONAL SPORT.

TOMORROW NIGHT, HE'LL PLAY HIS FINAL GAME FOR THE TEAM AT YANKEE STADIUM.

STATISTICALLY SPEAKING, HE'S ONE OF THE GREATEST MAJOR LEAGUERS TO EVER PUT ON A UNIFORM, BUT HIS USE OF PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS AND LYING ABOUT USING THEM, HAS TARNISHED HIS ONE STORIED CAREER, LEADING US TO WONDER WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN.

I NEVER THOUGHT I CAN PLAY FOR 22 YEARS.

AT 18, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE TEAM.

SO HOW EXACTLY SHOULD A-ROD BE REMEMBERED AND WHAT WILL HIS LEGACY BE?

JOINING ME NOW WITH PERSPECTIVE ON THE LIFE AND TIMES OF ALEX RODRIGUEZ, EMMY-AWARD-WINNING SPORTS CASTER LEN BERMAN.

LEN, THANKS SO MUCH FOR LETTING US COME TO YOUR STUDIO.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THIS IS MY NEW LIFE, UP AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING, TO DO NEWS TALK RADIO, NOT EVEN SPORTS.

SO I CAN TALK TO YOU BEFORE I GO TO SLEEP.

LET'S TALK A-ROD.

WHY IS HE ENDING HIS PLAYING CAREER WITH THE YANKEES NOW, A MONTH BEFORE THE SEASON'S OVER, OR MORE ACCURATELY, WHY ARE THE YANKEES ENDING HIS PLAYING CAREER WITH THE YANKEES NOW?

I'M GOING TO TAKE IT AT FACE VALUE.

A LOT OF TIMES YOU CAN BE SUSPICIOUS OR CYNICAL.

I THINK HE'S LOST THE SKILLS.

I'LL SALUTE THE YANKEES AND SAY, THEY KNOW.

I'M A LAYMAN.

DO I KNOW IF HE CAN STILL HIT A CURVEBALL?

I HAVE NO IDEA.

BUT THE YANKEES FEEL HIS SKILLS ARE DIMINISHED.

THEY NEED THE ROSTER SPOT.

THEY WOULD EMPLOY CHARLIE MANSON TOMORROW IF HE COULD HIT HOME RUNS.

THEY GOTTA PAY HIM.

MOST TIMES IN SPORTS, WHEN SOMEONE SAYS IT'S MONEY, HE'S GETTING ALL OF HIS MONEY, $27 MILLION THAT HE'S STILL OWED.

THE MONEY, HE WAS SO GRACIOUS AND MAGNANIMOUS AND PHILOSOPHICAL IN HIS FAREWELL SPEECH.

DID THAT SURPRISE YOU?

NO, BECAUSE THAT IS ABOUT THE MONEY.

AND I'M DUBIOUS ABOUT HIM BEING AN ADVISER AND SPECIAL ASSISTANT.

YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S REAL?

I THINK IF A TEAM CALLS HIM TOMORROW AND SAYS, COME PLAY FOR US, HE'S GOING TO BE TEMPTED.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE THE DOOR WAS KEPT WIDE OPEN FOR THAT POSSIBILITY.

IS HE GOING TO REALLY WALK AWAY FROM THE SPORT WHEN HE'S ONLY FOUR RUNS AWAY FROM 700, 18 AWAY FROM BABE RUTH'S RECORD?

THAT'S TRUE.

THE INTERESTING SIDE STORY IS, HIS MAMMOTH CONTRACT ALSO INCLUDED SIGNING BONUSES THAT HE WOULD GET IF HE SURPASSED BABE RUTH, HANK AARONS AND BARRY BONDS.

THAT WAS BEFORE HE WAS SUSPENDED FOR DRUGS.

I THINK IF A TEAM CALLS, HE'LL GO PLAY.

ANY TEAM?

THE ONE THAT'S SPECULATE SIDE TIME.

THAT'S HIS HOMETOWN.

BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE DESIGNATED HITTER?

THEY DON'T, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE, YOU REMEMBER JIM BOUTEN, THE GREAT AUTHOR AND SPORTS CASTER, HE ALWAYS HAD A LINE.

CHARLIE MANSON, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A DIFFICULT YEAR FOR YOU, BUT YOU'RE STILL BATTING, .327.

SO IT'S THE SAME THING IN SPORTS.

IF HE CAN HELP A TEAM SOMEWHERE SOMEHOW, THEY'LL HIRE HIM.

YOU SAID ONE OF THE GREATEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME.

THAT'S NOT HYPERBOLE.

I WROTE A KIDS' BOOK, THE 25 GREATEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME.

I HAD A BLUE RIBBON PANEL VOTING.

THE PLAYERS THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT, KOUFAX, CAMPANELLA, PALMER, ROBINSON.

WHO DID MAKE T ALEX RODRIGUEZ.

SO PLAYERS WHO WERE ON MY PANEL, THEY CONSIDERED HIM.

HE MOVED TO THIRD BASE BECAUSE OF DEREK JETER.

IF HE HAD STAYED AT SHORTSTOP, HE VERY WELL WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED THE GREATEST SHORTSTOP TO EVER PLAY THE GAME.

RIGHT NOW, HAVE YOU TO GO BACK TO HONAS WAGNER A CENTURY AGO.

EVEN SAID ALL THAT, THE MONEY THE YANKEES PAID HIM, THE $275 MILLION AND ALL THE GRIEF THEY TOOK, ESPECIALLY THE LAST FEW YEARS, WAS WORTH IT?

PROBABLY WAS.

HE HELPED THEM WIN A WORLD SERIES IN 2009.

CAN YOU NEVER PUT A PRICE TAG ON THAT.

OTHER THAN THE GLORY YEARS, WHEN THEY WON THOSE, 96, 98, 99, THEY WON IN 2009, A-ROD WAS A BIG PART OF THAT.

AND ALSO BOX OFFICE, BOTH HERE AND ON THE ROAD.

THEY CALL HIM LIGHTNING ROD, HE IS A LIGHTNING ROD.

THE YANKEES PRINT MONEY.

THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.

EVEN BEFORE HIS TRAVELS BEGAN, HE WAS NEVER REALLY A BELOVED PLAYER IN YORK.

HOW IS HE GOING TO BE LOOKED AT BY YANKEE FANS AS TIME PASSES?

ARE THEY GOING TO CLAIM HIM AS ONE OF THEIR OWN FIVE, TEN YEARS FROM NOW?

I THINK YANKEE FANS WILL LOOK BACK FONDLY, BECAUSE HE DID WIN THEM A WORLD SERIES.

THAT WHOLE HALL OF FAME ISSUE IS AN ISSUE THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY ANYTIME SOON.

I DON'T VOTE.

IT'S THE SPORTS WRITERS WHO VOTE.

IF I WERE VOTING, I'D PUT HIM IN, AND BARRY BONDS AND ROGER CLEMENS.

THESE ARE ALL THREE DRUG-TAINTED ATHLETES.

I WOULD MAKE THE SUBJECTIVE DECISION TO TAKE AWAY THE DRUGS OF THE HALL OF FAMERS.

I WOULDN'T MAKE THE SAME DECISION FOR MARK MAGUIRE AND SAMMY SOSA.

HE WAS NEVER WARM AND FUZZY.

HE WAS ALWAYS CALCULATED IN EVERYTHING HE SAID.

SOMETIMES HE TALKED TOO MUCH.

PRETTY ELOQUENT.

BUT HE TALKED HIMSELF INTO CORNERS, NOT UNLIKE A CERTAIN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, BUT NEVER WARM AND FUZZY.

BUT I THINK YANKEE FANS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I THINK HE'S GOING TO GET A WARM OVATION TOMORROW NIGHT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE BOO-ROAD, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE YAY-ROD.

SO HIS SKILLS, EVEN WITHOUT DRUGS, WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT.

SO WHY DID HE USE?

YOU'D HAVE TO ASK EACH ONE.

I'M GUESSING IT WAS ALL ABOUT LONGEVITY.

THEY ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT THE BATTERS WHO WOULD TAKE DRUGS.

REALLY IT'S THE PITCHERS, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO TAKE IT.

STEROIDS ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO HEEL.

SO CLEMENS, THAT WAS ABOUT LONGEVITY.

I THINK BONDS WAS ABOUT JEALOUSY WITH MAGUIRE AND SOSA GETTING ALL THAT ATTENTION.

AND I THINK WITH A-ROD.

MAYBE IT'S THE PRESSURE OF THE $252 MILLION DEAL.

YEAH, BUT ALSO GO BACK TO POLITICS.

WHY DID RICHARD NIXON HAVE TO DO WATERGATE?

HE WAS GOING TO WIN IN A LANDSLIDE.

IT'S AMAZING WHAT GOES THROUGH THE MINDS OF PEOPLE.

SO YOUR BEST GUESS, WILL HE BE IN COOPERSTOWN HALL OF FAME OR NOT?

SOME YEAR.

NOT REAL SOON.

SO THE NEW YORK YANKEES, TEIXEIRA IS ALSO LEAVING.

THEY TRADE SOMEDAY VETERANS.

THEY ARE IN A FULL-BLAST REBUILDING PROJECT NOW?

IS IT GOING TO BE A FEW YEARS BEFORE THE YANKEES HAVE ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM?

YEAH, THEY'VE ALREADY WRITTEN OFF 2017.

AND I ADMIRE THEIR FANS.

CAN'T REBUILD IN NEW YORK CITY.

TALK TO YANKEE FANS, THEY'RE THRILLED WITH ALL THE YOUNG PLAYERS THEY'VE GOT.

I THINK YANKEE FANS HAVE MORE PATIENCE THAN PEOPLE THINK.

I THINK THEY NEED TO BRING THE TICKET PRICES DOWN, IF THEY'RE GOING TO FIELD THE LESSER PRODUCT AND YOUNGER KIDS, LET'S MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR EVERYBODY.

LEN, THANKS SO MUCH.

PLEASURE TALKING TO YOU.

MY PLEASURE.

THANK YOU.

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I KILLED THEM ALL.

THOSE ARE THE WORDS UTTERED OFF-CAMERA BY SUSPECTED SERIAL KILLER ROBERT DURST IN THE FINALE OF 'THE JINX.'

DURST HAD BEEN INVESTIGATED MORE THAN ONCE FOR THE 1982 DISAPPEARANCE OF HIS WIFE KATHLEEN.

HE'S ALSO CHARGED BUT ACQUITTED IN THE 2001 MURDER OF HIS NEIGHBOR MORRIS BLACK, AND IS NOW AWAITING TRIAL FOR THE 2000 KILLING OF HIS CLOSE FRIEND SUSAN BERMAN.

SOME QUESTION OF THE VAL IDITY OF HIS REMARKS IN THE HBO SERIES.

BUT 'THE JINX' BROUGHT NEW INTEREST AND JANINE PIRO REOPENED THE CASE AND HAS VOWED TO PROVE THAT DURST WAS HER KILLER.

JANINE PIRO CHRONICLES HER YEARS' LONG PROFESSIONAL AND PERSONAL INVESTIGATION OF ROBERT DURST IN HER NEW BOOK, HE KILLED THEM ALL, ROBERT DURST AND MY QUESTION FOR JUSTICE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

YOU TOO.

TELL ME WHY THIS HAS BECOME YOUR QUEST.

IT WAS 1999.

I'M THE SITTING D.A.

TWO OF MY GUYS COME IN AND SAY, BOSS, WE GOT A TIP FROM A DIRT BAG SEX OFFENDER, THAT THERE'S A WOMAN'S BODY IN A LAKE.

I'M WRITING AND THE PHONE'S BLINKING AND THEY SAY HER NAME WAS KATHLEEN DURST, AND HER HUSBAND IS ROBERT DURST, AND YOU KNOW THE DURSTS AND I SAID NO.

SO DID YOU KNOW THIS STORY BEFOREHAND?

NOTHING.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S SO INCREDIBLE ABOUT IT.

AND I ADDRESS THAT IN THE BOOK 'HE KILLED THEM ALL.'

AND I SAID, DO YOU HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THIS TIP?

THEY SAID NO.

I SAID, TELL ME ABOUT HER.

SHE'S A FOURTH YEAR MEDICAL STUDENT, ABOUT TO GRADUATE, AND HER HUSBAND WAITED FIVE DAYS TO REPORT HER MISSING.

THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO HEAR.

IF YOU RECALL, I STARTED THE FIRST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE UNIT IN THE NATION.

SO MY ANTENNAS WENT UP AND THAT BEGAN A JOURNEY, AN ODYSSEY, I KICKED THE BEES' NEST AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STUNG FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS WITH THIS ONE, INCLUDING ME.

THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION BEFORE THIS CAME ACROSS YOUR DESK.

YOU STARTED LOOKING, SAID, IT WASN'T NEW, THIS CASE WAS FLOATING OUT THERE FOR A WHILE WHAT WAS THE LEVEL AND EXTENT OF THAT INVESTIGATION AND WHY DID IT NOT GO ANYWHERE?

YOU CALL IT AN INVESTIGATION.

I THINK ANY COP STUDYING LAW ENFORCEMENT, CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATIONS WOULD SAY IT WAS A JOKE.

IT WAS 1982, NEW YORK CITY, ONE OF THE RICHEST FAMILIES IN NEW YORK.

THEIR DAUGHTER-IN-LAW GOES MISSING.

AND THERE'S TWO ARTICLES IN 'THE TIMES' ABOUT IT, WITH NO DISCUSSION, OTHER THAN SHE WAS IN NEW YORK AND THE DOORMAN SAW HER AND SHE PROBABLY RAN OUT WITH ANOTHER GUY, SHE MAY HAVE HAD A HANGOVER.

IT WAS EASY, JACK, BACK THEN, TO THINK THAT WOMEN WERE DISPENSABLE AND THEY WERE SHUTS.

OF COURSE SHE RAN OFF WITH ANOTHER GUY.

BUT NO ONE KNEW WHAT HE LOOKED LIKE.

THIS IS ALL MADE UP.

THEY DIDN'T INVESTIGATE.

THEY SAID, I'M SURE HE PUT HER ON THE TRAIN.

THEY DIDN'T TALK TO ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT DURST SAID COULD GIVE HIM SOME ALIBI, BACKUP.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OTHER FACTORS AND HOW WE VIEWED WOMEN SADLY AS VICTIMS OF CRIMES.

I WAS A PROSECUTOR AROUND THE SAME TIME AND I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT WAS.

RIGHT.

DO YOU THINK THIS WAS MORE BECAUSE OF THE DURST FAMILY NAME, THAT WE'LL JUST KINDA LET THIS ONE GO?

LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.

IF GOD FORBID, DONALD TRUMP'S DAUGHTER-IN-LAW DISAPPEARED, THEY'D SAY, SHE RAN OFF WITH ANOTHER GUY, THAT WOULD BE THE END OF IT?

THERE WAS NO SEARCH TEAM, THERE WASN'T THE CRYING HUSBAND, AND THAT'S WHAT LEADS US TO HOMICIDE NUMBER TWO, THE HUSBAND'S BEST FRIEND, SUSAN BERMAN, THE SPOKESPERSON WHO SAYS, SHE RAN OFF WITH ANOTHER GUY.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, SO PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW THIS ALL.

SO SUSAN BERMAN IS WORKING AS A SPOKESPERSON.

IT'S FINE, SHE JUST RAN OFF.

SUSAN BERMAN GETS SUBPOENAED TO TESTIFY --

SHE'S NOT SUBPOENAED.

SHE'S GOING TO BE INTERVIEWED.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SUSAN BERMAN ENDS UP WITH A BULLET IN HER HEAD.

IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD, EXECUTION STYLE, AND EVERYONE SAID, OH, YOU KNOW, HER FATHER WAS DAVEY BERMAN IN L.A. -- NOT IN L.A. -- IN LAS VEGAS.

HE WAS A MOBSTER.

SHE WROTE THE BOOK 'EASY STREET,' WAS INTERVIEWED ON THE 'TODAY' SHOW.

IT WAS PROBABLY HIM.

I'M LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, ROBERT DURST KILLED HER.

THERE'S A CADAVER NOTE THAT'S KEY, AND IT'S WRITTEN IN GREEN INK.

ROBERT DURST ONLY WROTE IN GREEN INK.

GREEN THE COLOR OF MONEY THAT HE LOVED SO MUCH.

I HAVE ALL THESE LITTLE SECRETS THAT HE LOVED SO MUCH.

IF YOU MADE THIS UP, YOU WOULD SAY, THAT'S TOO MUCH TO PUT IN THERE.

RIGHT, OVER THE TOP.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS NOW, SO YOU'RE PART OF THIS DOCUMENTARY --

YEAH.

WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU FIRST SAW THAT SCENE AND HEARD HIM SAY THOSE WORDS, 'I KILLED THEM ALL'?

YOU KNOW, I WAS SITTING IN ANDREW INJUREEKY'S APARTMENT, TO WATCH THE LAST EPISODE CHAPTER WITH A LOT OF THE PLAYERS THE McCORMICK FAMILY, KATHLEEN'S BROTHER AND THE NIECE WHO LOOKS JUST LIKE KATHLEEN LOOKED IN 1982.

AND I REMEMBER SAYING TO MYSELF, OF COURSE YOU DID, YOU DIRT BAG, I KNEW IT ALL ALONG.

HE WAS A GUY WHO KILLED WHEN HE NEEDED TO.

HE KNEW THAT WE WERE GOING TO SPEAK TO SUSAN BERMAN IN L.A.

WE, BEING THE WESTCHESTER D.A.'S OFFICE AND MY TASK FORCE.

AND YOU SAY TO YOURSELF, WELL, HOW DID HE KNOW THAT?

BECAUSE I HAD IT LOCKED DOWN QUIET.

IT WAS A LEAK FROM A STATE TROOPER.

AND I TALK ABOUT THIS YEARS LATER, AND I WAS, AND MY TEAM WAS LIVID.

AND I SAID, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT.

HE LET DURST KNOW.

AND WHAT YOU DO, JACK, AND YOU KNOW THIS, YOU SAVE THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON FOR THE END OF THE INVESTIGATION.

YOU GET ALL OF THE LITTLE INFORMATION FROM THIS ONE AND THIS ONE AND THIS ONE.

AND YOU GO LOADED FOR BEAR WITH THAT KEY WITNESS AND SHE WAS.

HE KNEW IT.

SENT HER A $25,000 CHECK BEFORE WE GOT THERE TO SHUT HER UP AND HE KILLED HER.

SO THERE'S YOUR WITNESS YOU'RE COUNTING ON, WHO IS NOW NOW LONGER WITH YOU.

WAS THAT THE END OF THAT INVESTIGATION?

YOU DID A REAL INVESTIGATION, BUT BASICALLY DID YOU HIT A STONEWALL AT THAT POINT IN TIME?

YOU KNOW, AS I RECALL, IT WAS ABOUT THAT TIME THAT WE KIND OF GOT EVEN MORE FIRED UP, BECAUSE I SAID, THIS GUY COULD BE A SERIAL MURDERER.

LO AND BEHOLD, WITHIN TEN MONTHS, WE GET A CALL, ROBERT DURST IS CHARGED WITH MURDER IN GALVESTON, TEXAS.

WHAT'S THAT SONG?

GLEN CAMPBELL.

GLEN CAMPBELL.

SO I SENT BY GUYS DOWN THERE AS WELL.

I WENT DOWN THERE AS WELL.

I WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE D.A.

AND SAY, I NEED CLOSURE FOR KATHLEEN'S FAMILY.

IT'S BEEN SINCE 1982.

IT'S 2001.

WE NEED CLOSURE.

WE NEVER FOUND HER BODY.

HE NEVER ADMITTED A THING.

THIS TRIAL, I THINK BIZARRE MIGHT BE THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT.

HE ADMITS TO DISMEMBERS MORRIS BLACK, BUT SAYS HE DIDN'T KILL HIM.

I DIDN'T SEE ALL THE FACTS AND THE DETAILS, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE A STRANGE VERDICT, FOR THE INJURY TO COME BACK AND SAY, NOT GUILTY OF THE MURDER.

I KNEW FROM THE GET-GO, THIS WAS ABOUT MONEY AND POWER IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM PERVERTING THE SCALES OF JUSTICE.

AND SO YOU'VE GOT ROBERT DURST GOING TO GALVESTON, PAYING A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS FOR THE BEST LAWYERS HE COULD FIND, WHO SOLD A BILL OF GOODS TO THESE HALF-WIT JURORS, WHO, TO THIS DAY, THINK THAT I CHASED ROBERT DURST, AND THAT'S WHY HE HAD TO KILL AND CHOP THE BODY UP, BECAUSE GENIE PYRO FROM NEW YORK, SHE FORCED BOBBY TO DO THIS.

IF SHE HAD ONLY KEPT HER MOUTH SHUT, NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.

SO EVERY DAY, I'M GETTING CALLS FROM THE PRESS.

EVERY TIME THEY CAME IN, THEY'D HAVE TO PEEL ME OFF THE CEILING.

SO DO YOU THINK THERE WILL EVER BE RESOLUTION OF THE KATHLEEN DURST CASE?

I BELIEVE SOONER OR LATER WE WILL.

AT LEAST NOW WE KNOW HE SAID HE KILLED THEM ALL.

I BELIEVE SHE'S IN THE PINE BARONS.

I MAKE MY INVESTIGATORS GO THERE.

HE MADE CALLS FROM THE PINE BARONS.

HE WAS IN A LAUNDROMAT.

I THINK HE CHOPPED HER UP.

BECAUSE WHEN ASKED IN 'THE JINX,' WHAT WERE THEY LOOKING FOR IN THE LAKE, HE SAYS, NOT MY WIFE, NOT MY WIFE'S BODY, HE SAYS 'BODY PARTS.'

SO IF YOU READ THE BOOK, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT I SAW IN 'THE JINX' THAT YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE CAUGHT, AND THAT'S WHAT I SAID, I'M WRITING THIS BOOK.

WELL, IT'S A FASCINATING BOOK.

IT'S A GREAT READ.

TO THINK THAT IT'S NOT FICTION IS SOMEWHAT BREATHTAKING.

BUT A GOOD BOOK FOR ANYBODY.

JANINE, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

> A REMINDER THE HBO DOCUMENTARY CAN BE SEEN ON HBO NOW, 'THE JINX.'

AND JUDGE JANINE PIRO CAN BE SEEN SATURDAY NIGHTS ON FOX NEWS CHANNEL.

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FOR MANY NEW YORKERS, THE FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS OF A RISING COST OF LIVING ARE A HIGH ENOUGH BURDEN AS IT IS.

SO IS WHY GROUP ASKING TO PAY HIGHER TAXES?

A LETTER ADDRESSED TO ANDREW CUOMO, CALLING FOR A BALANCED SOLUTION THAT WOULD MAINTAIN, EXPAND AND MAKE PERMANENT THE TOP TAX RATES FOR UPPER INCOME NEW YORKERS.

THE PLAN WOULD LOWER THE BURDEN OF THE MIDDLE CLASS AND AIM TO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS INVESTED INTO POVERTY AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

THIS IS PART OF OUR CHASING THE DREAM INITIATIVE, POVERTY AND OPPORTUNITY IN AMERICA.

JOINING US NOW TO TALK ABOUT THAT ALERT AND ITS PROPOSED TAX PLAN, ONE OF THE SIGNERS, ABIGAIL DISNEY.

NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

I'M SURE PEOPLE SAY TO YOU, YOU WANT TO PAY MORE TAXES?

WHY?

YEAH, IT DOES SOUND NUTS, DOESN'T IT?

CERTAINLY COUNTERINTUITIVE.

I WON'T CALL IT NUTS.

AND CERTAINLY, BACK IN 2003, WHEN I GOT A BIG TAX CUT I DIDN'T ASK FOR, AND A WAR THAT I THOUGHT WE SHOULDN'T BE FIGHTING, WE, AS A COUNTRY DUG QUITE A HOLE FOR OURSELVES.

WHILE THAT WAS HAPPENING, PEOPLE IN MY TAX BRACKET ACCUMULATED MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF WEALTH.

MILLIONAIRES IS ALMOST FUNNY.

NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE.

NOW WE'RE TALKING BILLIONAIRES.

SO THERE'S AN ACCUMULATION OF WEALTH AT THE TOP.

THERE'S MASSIVE INEQUITY.

THE POOR HAVE GOTTEN POORER AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS CRUMBLING.

SO WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE.

WE HAVE A REALLY INEQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.

AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE TOP MARGINAL RATE IS NOT GOING TO PREVENT ANYBODY FROM BUYING ANOTHER PRIVATE AIRPLANE.

SO WE NEED -- WE ALL NEED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS COUNTRY GOING FORWARD.

BECAUSE WE ARE KIND OF A MESS.

WHAT SORT OF RESPONSES HAVE BEEN GIVEN?

SOME HAVE SIGNED ON, LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY.

I THINK THERE ARE OTHERS WHO ARE SAYING, I'M NOT SURE WE WANT TO BE DOING THIS, SETTING THIS PRECEDENT.

WHAT KIND OF REACTION HAVE YOU GOTTEN FROM THE FOLKS WHO HAVEN'T SIGNED ON?

NEXT TO GUNS, IT'S THE THING THAT MAKES PEOPLE ANGRIEST, TO SUGGEST A TAX HIKE.

BECAUSE PEOPLE GET REALLY UPSET AT THE IDEA OF THE GOVERNMENT TAKING MORE MONEY.

BUT YOU'RE SPENDING THAT MONEY EVERY TIME YOU BREAK THE AXLE IN YOUR CAR WHEN YOU GO OVER A POTHOLE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO YOU'RE SPENDING THAT MONEY IN THE FORMS OF ALL THE WAYS THAT IN WHICH YOU HAVE TO SKIRT THE CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL THE DIFFERENT CONSEQUENCES OF THE INEQUITY.

PEOPLE WILL SAY, IF YOU THINK IT'S SUCH A GOOD IDEA, WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE YOUR MONEY.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

IT'S NOT ABOUT CHARITY.

THIS IS ABOUT WHAT WE OWE OUR COUNTRY.

I MEAN, I USE THE EXAMPLE OF MY GRANDFATHER, THEY BUILT A THRIVING COMPANY, ACCUMULATED A HUGE AMOUNT OF WEALTH UNDER A PUNITIVE TAX RATE, SOMETHING LIKE 75, 80%. NO PROBLEM, THEY BUILT WEALTH.

ONE OF THE REASONS THEY WERE ABLE TO BUILD THE COMPANY THEY BUILD WAS BECAUSE OF A HIGHWAY SYSTEM, A FUNCTIONING COURT SYSTEM.

PORT LAW AND TRADEMARK LAW.

YOU COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS IN WHICH A HIGH FUNCTIONING TAX PRESSURE AND SPENDING ON PUBLIC RESOURCES MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR DISNEY COMPANY TO EXIST AND TO THRIVE.

THE MARSHALL PLAN WAS MAYBE ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTORS TO THE GROWTH OF DISNEY, OF ALMOST ANYTHING.

I WOULD SUSPECT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE WHO ARE APPROACHED ABOUT THIS, HOW CAN WE BE SURE THAT THIS ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH WILL GO FOR THOSE PRECISE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE?

HOW DO WE KNOW?

RIGHT.

WELL, THIS IS ABOUT GOVERNANCE.

THAT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE MONEY SHOULD GO THERE.

THAT'S ABOUT, DO WE HAVE A FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY.

AND ARE WE, AS CITIZENS, BEING ACTIVE ENOUGH TO MAKE SURE, CONSCIENTIOUS ENOUGH TO MAKE SURE THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING WHAT WE ASK IT TO DO.

THAT'S A QUESTION OF DOING YOUR DUTY AS CITIZEN.

IT ISN'T EVERY FOUR YEARS WHEN YOU VOTE FOR PRESIDENT, OR EVERY TWO YEARS FOR CONGRESS.

IT'S ABOUT CHECKING UP AND IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, SPEAKING UP.

PEOPLE MIGHT SAY, THIS COULD BE A SLIPPERY SLOPE.

IF YOU SAY RAISE THE LEVEL FOR THOSE FOLKS, WHEN WILL THEY SAY, WELL, IF THAT ONE'S THAT HIGH, WE SHOULD MOVE THIS ONE UP CLOSE TO IT?

THAT'S A GOVERNMENT ARGUMENT.

THERE'S NO SLIPPERY SLOPE WE'RE NOT STANDING ON.

SO TO PRETEND AS THOUGH YOU CAN'T STEP ON -- YOU HAVE A CHOICE OF WHETHER OR NOT TO STEP ONTO IT IS SILLY.

SO IT'S A WAY OF ABDICATING YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS A CITIZEN.

IT'S AN INDICATOR OF JUST HOW ANGRY PEOPLE ARE AND HOW LOW FUNCTIONING THE SYSTEM IS RIGHT NOW.

BUT A BIG PIECE OF THAT LOW FUNCTIONING IS, IT'S STARVING.

GROVER NORQUIST WANTED TO TAKE THE GOVERNMENT AND MAKE IT SMALL ENOUGH THAT HE COULD DROWN IT IN A BATHTUB.

AND IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO BATHTUB SIZE RIGHT NOW.

SO MUCH OF IT NOW, HOURS AND HOURS PEOPLE WAITED TO VOTE IN THE PRIMARIES IN ARIZONA THE OTHER DAY.

THAT WAS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE FACT THAT THESE 30, 40 YEARS OF TELLING US, IF WE LOWERED TAX RATES, WE'D GET MORE REVENUE IS A COMPLETELY FICTIONAL IDEA AND WE NEED TO STOP BUYING IT.

FASCINATING.

ALWAYS GOOD TO TALK TO YOU.

ABIGAIL DISNEY, THANK YOU FOR SPENDING TIME WITH US.

TAKE CARE.

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