February 23, 2016: Apple-FBI Debate. Inside Rikers. L.A. Reid. ‘Snow Chick.’

It’s a case that could have chilling repercussions on everyone’s privacy and security. Find out why the tech giant Apple is challenging the government’s demands to gain access to the iPhone of accused San Bernardino terrorist Syed Rizwan Farook.

It’s New York’s most notorious jail. After the governor called it a “human tragedy” and local public officials vowed to close it down, we get an insider’s look from a witness to its horrors.

We sit down with Mary Buser, author of “Lockdown on Rikers: Shocking Stories of Abuse and Injustice At New York’s Most Notorious Jail.” In the second half of our two-part interview with record executive and music producer L.A. Reid, he talks to us in-depth about experience in the music industry from notable artist auditions to new vocalists who are hitting their stride today.

How does the youngest and scrawniest of Emperor Penguin’s survive its first few months of life in frigid Antarctic temperatures? That’s the story that THIRTEEN’s “Nature” re-imagines in its amazing new documentary “Snow Chick: A Penguin’s Tale,” narrated by Academy Award-winning actress Kate Winslet.

TRANSCRIPT

> TONIGHT ON METROFOCUS.

WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT?

YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES OR OU NATIONAL SAFETY?

THAT'S AT THE VERY CORE OF A BATTLE BEING WAGED BETWEEN APPLE AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WHO INSIST THEY NEED THE TEC GIANT'S HELP IN LEARNING MOR ABOUT THE SAN BERNARDINO TERRORISTS APPLE INSISTS IT'S A SLIPPER SLOPE AND WILL MAKE US ALL MOR VULNERABLE WHERE DO YOU STAND WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE SIDES OF THE STORY THAT HAS EVERYONE TALKING.

RIKERS ISLAND, IT SITS IN TH EAST RIVER BETWEEN QUEENS AN THE BRONX AND HOLDS ABOUT 10,000 INMATES DAILY.

BUT THE FACILITY, ONE OF THE WORLD'S LARGEST, IS RIFE WIT ALLEGATIONS OF ABUSE AND NEGLECT.

NOW THE JAIL IS DRIVING A WEDG BETWEEN THE GOVERNOR, WHO WANT IT SHUT DOWN, AND THE MAYOR WH SAYS CLOSING IT IS UNREALISTIC THE FIGHT BEGINS, AND WE'R GOING INSIDE

> AND WE CONTINUE OU CONVERSATION WITH MUSIC MOGU L.A. REID.

HE'S WORKED WITH MARIAH, J. LO AND THE BIEBS.

HE KNOWS WHAT IT TAKES TO GE THE BREAKS HOW A STAR IS BORN

> AND IN WHAT MAY BE THE CUTEST SERIES EVER, MEET THE SNOW CHICKS.

PREVIEW WE HAVE IS JUS INDESCRIBABLE.

ALL THAT AND MORE AS 'METROFOCUS' STARTS RIGHT NOW.

> THIS IS 'METROFOCUS' WITH -- FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM WAS PROVIDED BY --

> PERSONAL PRIVACY VERSU NATIONAL SECURITY.

WHERE DO YOU STAND APPLE IS FIGHTING U.S. LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS OVER UNLOCKING A TERRORIST' SMARTPHONE, BUT IS THAT A SMAR CALL THE UNPRECEDENTED CLASH COUL AFFECT ALL OF US THAT US SMARTPHONES, THAT'S PROBABLY MOST OF YOU WATCHING RIGHT NOW U.S. PROSECUTORS ASKED A FEDERAL JUDGE TO FORCE APPLE TO PROVID THE GOVERNMENT WITH A TOOL T EXTRACT THE DATA FROM A LOCKED iPHONE 5-C THEY'RE TRYING TO GET INTO THE PHONE USED BY ONE OF THE TACKERS IN THE SAN BERNARDINO RAMPAG THAT LEFT 14 DEAD.

APPLE FOUGHT BACK AND ACCUSE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT O MOUNTING A CHILLING ATTACK O PRIVACY AND INTERNET SECURITY.

APPLE CEO TIM COOK SAYS WHAT PROSECUTORS WERE DEMANDING AMOUNTED TO FORCING APPLE TO CREATE A BACK DOOR TO GET AROUND ITS OWN SECURITY PROTOCOLS AND ON OUR OWN HOME FRONT, THE NEW YORK CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION ANNOUNCED THAT THE NEW YOR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS USING COVERT TRACKING DEVICES TO SPY ON NEW YORKS' CELL PHONES.

JOINING ME TO EXPLAIN WHY THIS IS SO IMPORTANT IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NEW YORK CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION DONNA LIEBERMAN.

WELCOME.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME

FIRST OFF, WHY IS APPLE PUTTING UP SUCH A FIGHT?

WELL, BECAUSE WHAT WE HAV HERE IS NOT JUST ABOUT ONE CEL PHONE AND ONE ANTI-TERRORISM INVESTIGATION, NO MATTER HOW HORRIFIC THAT TERROR ATTACK WAS.

THIS IS REALLY A SHORT-SIGHTED ATTACK ON THE PRIVACY OF ALL AMERICANS, AND NOT JUS INDIVIDUALS.

THAT WOULD BE SIGNIFICAN ENOUGH, BUT ON BUSINESSES, OUR GOVERNMENT, AND IT'S OPENING U THE POSSIBILITY OR INCREASIN THE RISK OF WIDESPREAD CYBER ATTACKS.

NOT JUST PUTTING IMPORTANT TOOLS IN THE HANDS OF GOVERNMENT, OF GO GOVERNMENT, BUT PUTTING POSSIBLY POWERFUL PRIVAC COMPROMISING TOOLS IN THE HAND OF EVIL DICTATORS.

SO THERE'S A LOT AT STAKE HERE AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT SEEKS TO DO I NOT SIMPLY GET HOLD OF INFORMATION THAT APPLE HAS I ITS POSSESSION THEY SEEK TO FORCE APPLE T CREATE A WHOLE NEW OPERATING SYSTEM TO UNDERMINE TH OPERATING SYSTEMS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN CREATING FOR YEARS TO PROTECT PEOPLE'S PRIVACIES, TO PROTECT BUSINESSES' PRIVACIES, SO THAT OUR SMARTPHONES CA TRULY BE SECURE.

BUT THE GOVERNMENT SAYS THI IS JUST FOR THIS ONE PHONE, THIS ONE CASE

I THINK IF YOU LISTEN TO TH MANHATTAN DISTRICT ATTORNEY TALK ABOUT WHY WE NEED TO FORCE APPLE TO CREATE A BACK DOOR, HE SAYS HE'S GOT 175 iPHONES IN HI POSSESSION THAT HE NEEDS T CRACK IN ORDER TO SOLVE A BUNC OF CRIMES.

THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT ONE iPHONE AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ONE TYPE OF SECURITY.

ONCE WE FORCE -- IF WE WERE TO FORCE APPLE TO CREATE THIS NEW OPERATING SYSTEM, IT WOULD JEOPARDIZE OUR SAFETY AN SECURITY IN WAYS THAT WE CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF SHORT-SIGHTED.

WE HAVE A LOT TO LOSE HERE AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT TH GOVERNMENT SEEMS TO -- TRIES T POOH-POOH APPLE'S CONCERNS SAYING THEY'RE JUST TRYING T BUILD THEIR BRAND.

PART OF THEIR BRAND PROTECTION IS PROTECTING AN AMERICAN BRAND, WHICH IS THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY, AND ALL AMERICANS HAVE A STAKE IN THAT AND, IN FACT, IT'S NOT JUST U.S. PRIVACY THAT'S A STAKE, IT'S ABOUT WORLDWID PRIVACY.

BUT YOU MENTION PRIVACY AND SECURITY AND WE'RE IN AN ELECTION SEASON.

SO MANY POLITICIANS ARE SAYING SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO GIVE U SOME OF YOUR PRIVACY SO THAT W CAN HAVE NATIONAL SECURITY

WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TH CLAIM OF THE GOVERNMENT.

IT WOULD REALLY BE SHORT-SIGHTED FOR US TO COMPROMISE, TO UNDERMINE AND TO FORCE APPLE T UNDERMINE EVERYBODY'S PRIVAC FOREVER.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CA JUST DO IT FOR ONE PHONE YOU CAN'T.

APPLE CAN'T.

AND ONCE THE GENIE IS OUT OF THE BOTTLE, YOU CAN'T PUT IT BAC IN ONCE YOU CREATE THE MASTER KEY FOR EVERYTHING, ALL CELL PHONE IN EXISTENCE OR THE TEMPLATE T CRACK ALL CELL PHONES, WELL, THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT?

THE GOOD GUYS MAY GET IT, BU ALSO THE BAD GUYS HAVE EASIE ACCESS TO IT SO WE HAVE TO BE -- I THINK WE HAVE TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOU THIS YOU KNOW, CONGRESS HAS BEE CONSIDERING THIS ISSUE AND HAS REFUSED TO ACT THERE ARE GOOD REASONS FOR THAT.

AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE T CONSIDER THE PRIVACY, TH INTEGRITY, THE SECURITY IN THE LONG HAUL, AND I THINK THAT' WHAT APPLE IS RESPONSIBL STANDING UP FOR.

WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIM LEFT, BUT CAN YOU QUICKLY TELL ME ABOUT THE NYPD'S STINGRAYS?

YEAH, WE'RE DEALING WIT TECHNOLOGY WE ALL LOVE TECHNOLOGY AND W HATE TECHNOLOGY.

AND IT'S REALLY A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD.

THE NYPD HAS A STINGRAY PROGRAM, AND A LOT OF TECHNOLOG PROGRAMS, THEY USE VIDEO CAMERAS, X-RAY VANS, THEY HAVE X-RAY CARS AND STUFF ALL ON TH STREET WITHOUT TELLING ANYBODY AND THERE ARE NO GUIDELINES.

THERE ARE NO WRITTEN RULES THERE ARE NO WRITTEN PROTOCOLS DO THEY GET WARRANTS FOR THI STUFF?

OR DO THEY AS THE STINGRAYS, WHICH ARE LIKE IMITATION CEL PHONE TOWERS THAT SCOOP UP YOU CELL PHONE DATA, BUT THEY CAN DO MORE THAN THAT THEY SCOOP UP YOUR LOCATION, THEY TRACK YOUR MOVEMENTS.

AND THEY CAN EVEN SCOOP UP THE CONTENT OF YOUR CELL PHONE COMMUNICATIONS THERE ARE NO PROTOCOLS, THERE' NO OVERSIGHT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE DATA THEY'RE COLLECTING STUFF NOT JUST FROM INDIVIDUAL NUMBERS BUT INDIVIDUAL CELL PHONE I.D.

BUT FROM ALL THE ONES AROUND THEM WHO HAPPEN TO BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD NO OVERSIGHT THIS IMPLI INFILTRATES OUR PRIVACY.

THEY SHOULDN'T BE GOING TO COURT TO GET BABY WARRANTS THAT DON' REQUIRE PROBABLE CAUSE THEY NEED TO GET REAL WARRANTS SO THAT COURTS CAN STAND BETWEEN US AND GOVERNMENT ABUSE.

ALL RIGHT WELL, LISTEN, DONNA LIEBERMAN OF THE NEW YORK CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION ALWAYS STANDING UP FOR OUR RIGHTS, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU

> RIKERS ISLAND IS AGAIN I THE NEWS WITH NEW YORK GOVERNO ANDREW CUOMO CALLING IT A HUMA TRAGEDY AND NEW YORK CIT COUNCIL SPEAKER PROPOSING THAT IT BE SHUT DOWN.

FOR YEARS THE MASSIVE NEW YORK CITY JAIL COMPLEX HAS BEEN THE SUBJECT OF VIOLENCE AN DYSFUNCTION AMONG ITS DETAINEE AND GUARDS WITH REPORTS OF OFFICER BRUTALITY AND INMATE SUICIDES IT HAS BECOME THE SYMBOL O EVERYTHING THAT'S WRONG WITH OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM FROM INMATES BEING HELD FOR YEARS WITHOUT EVER BEING CONVICTED O ANY CRIME TO THE STUNNIN NEGLECT OF THE MENTALLY ILL.

MARY BUSER WHO WORKED IN THE '95 WAS A WITNESS TO BEDLAM.

IN HER NEW BOOK 'LOCKDOWN ON RIKERS, SHOCKING STORIES O ABUSE AND INJUSTICE AT NEW YORK'S NOTORIOUS JAIL.

MARY, WELCOME.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU FO HAVING ME.

NOW, MARY, RIKERS OR RIKERS ISLAND ARE WORDS THAT MOST NEW YORKERS ARE FAMILIAR WITH.

BUT WHAT EXACTLY IT IS AND WHERE IS IT?

GOOD QUESTION RIKERS IS A 415-ACRE ISLAND IN THE EAST RIVER YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM TH PARKWAYS OR THE STREETS.

THAT'S WHY SO MANY NEW YORKERS ARE A LITTLE FUZZY ABOUT RIKER ISLAND, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING IN AND OUT OF LaGUARDIA AIRPORT AND YOU NOTICE AT THE END OF THE RUNWAYS WHAT LOOKS LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX SURROUNDED IN BARBED WIRE, THAT'S RIKERS ISLAND IT IS NOT ONE JAIL BUT IS COMPLEX OF TEN SEPARATE JAILS.

NINE FOR MEN, ONE FOR WOMEN.

AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO NOT THAT IT'S JAIL VERSUS PRISON PRISON IS FOR PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF CRIME, JAILS AR FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN CHARGE WITH A CRIME BUT HAVE NOT BEEN CONVICTED.

THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I GET, HOW IS IT POSSIBLE AS I SAID IN THE INTRODUCTION, THAT PEOPLE COULD SPEND YEARS IN RIKERS WITHOUT EVER BEIN CONVICTED OF ANYTHING?

HOW COULD THEY SPEND -- HOW DO THEY SPEND YEARS THERE

I'S TERRIBLE.

OUR CONSTITUTION DEMAND TH RIGHT TO A SPEEDY TRIAL.

I BELIEVED IN THE IDEALS OF OU SYSTEM THEN I MET ONE INMATE AFTER TH NEXT WHO WAS WAITING FOR THEIR QUOTE, DAY IN COURT, PROTESTIN THEIR INNOCENCE IN MANY CASES, AND THEN I DISCOVERED THAT THI COULD GO ON NOT ONLY FOR MONTH BUT FOR YEARS.

AND THEY HAD TO, IN THE INTERIM, WHILE WAITING FOR THAT DAY I COURT, SURVIVE RIKERS ISLAND

AND THEY WERE THERE FOR THA LONG MOSTLY BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD BAIL

CORRECT THIS IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

THIS IS WHERE THE -- RIGHT A THAT POINT OF BAIL DO WE SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WAY THE POOR AND THOSE SUCH AS BIL COSBY WHO CAN MAKE BAIL AND WAIT FOR HIS DAY IN COURT AT HOME IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY AN YOU'VE BEEN ARRESTED IN ONE OF NEW YORK CITY'S FIVE BOROUGHS, FREQUENTLY BAIL AMOUNT UNDER $1,000, YOU WILL SIT ON RIKERS ISLAND INNOCENT OR GUILT AWAITING YOUR DAY IN COURT

THE MAKEUP OR THE PROFILE O THE INMATES I'M ASSUMING LARGELY POOR

YES

LARGELY MINORITY?

YES

I A DIKTED, MENTALLY ILL.

YES

TELL US

ALL OF THE ABOVE.

ALL OF THE ABOVE

I READ A STATISTIC THAT I STUNNING ONE STUDY SAID THAT 40% OF INMATES AT RIKERS ARE MENTALLY ILL.

HAS RIKERS BECOME A DE FACTO ASYLUM FOR THE MENTALLY ILL?

ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY WHEN THE BIG STATE PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITALS WERE SHUT DOWN YEARS AGO OVER THE LAST 20, 30 YEARS THE IDEAL WAS THAT THEY WOULD BE REPLACED WITH COMMUNITY BASE HOUSING SUPERVISION.

NEVER HAPPENED, WHICH WAS TRAGEDY.

BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE, TH MENTALLY ILL CANNOT CUT IT O THEIR OWN JUST WITH MEDICATION FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS, GET INTO TROUBLE WITH THE POLICE TYPICALLY FOR PETTY CRIMES, AN THE ONLY ANSWER IS RIKER ISLAND

YOU HAVE SINCE, YOU LEFT AN YOU'VE BECOME AN ADVOCAT AGAINST THE SYSTEM, PARTICULARLY AGAINST THE PRACTICE OF SOLITARY CONFINEMENT THAT MIND BOGGLINGLY COULD GO FOR DAYS AND EVEN YEARS.

IF YOU'RE NOT INSANE BEFORE YO GET IN THERE, IT TENDS TO MAKE PEOPLE INSANE.

NEW YORK OFFICIALS AGREE TO TH PLAN FOR THE USE OF SOLITARY CONFINEMENT FOR ALL INMATES 21 AND YOUNGER.

IS THAT ENOUGH OR IS THE GOVERNOR CUOMO RIGHT AND COUNCIL SPEAKE MARK-VIVERITO RIGHT IT SHOULD BE CLOSED

THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU WON'T HAVE SOLITARY CONFINEMENT IN OTHER JAILS, ET CETERA JUST SPEAKING TO THE QUESTION OF SOLITARY, I'D LIKE TO MENTIO THAT I WAS THE ASSISTANT CHIEF OF MENTAL HEALTH IN THE 500 CELL SOLITARY CONFINEMENT UNIT ON RIKERS ISLAND.

AS A MATTER OF MY DAILY JO STEPPED INTO THESE CELLS AND WITNESSED FIRSTHAND THE EFFECT OF PUNITIVE ISOLATION UPON THE HUMAN PSYCHE AND WE HAD A SAYING, IF YOU DI NOT HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS BEFORE YOU WENT INTO SOLITARY, YOU DO NOW.

ALL RIGHT IN THE SHORT TIME WE HAVE LESS LESS THAN 30 SECONDS, WHAT'S THE SOLUTION

WELL, I KNOW IT'S BEING BANDIED ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS SHUTTING DOWN RIKERS ISLAND.

I HAVE A FEAR OF REPLACING ONE FAILURE WITH ANOTHER I SEE, FOR EXAMPLE -- I LOOK T THE SHUTDOWN OF THE PSYC HOSPITALS.

EVERYONE SHUT THEM DOWN, EVERYONE WOUND UP ON THE STREETS.

WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THESE PEOPLE AND WILL IT REALLY ADDRESS THE LONG DELAYS IN GOING TO TRIAL?

SO UNLESS THAT ISSUE, BAIL REFORM AND TAKING PEOPLE T TRIAL IN A TIMELY WAY IS ADDRESSED, NOT MUCH WILL B SOLVED TO JUST RELOCATE RIKERS ELSEWHERE.

MARY, THANK YOU SO MUCH IT'S AN EYE OPENING BOOK 'LOCKDOWN ON RIKERS.

THANK YOU FOR WRITING US AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ♪♪

> TIME NOW FOR PART TWO OF M INTERVIEW WITH LEGENDARY MUSIC PRODUCER L.A. REID, A MAN WH HAS LEFT A MAJOR IMPRINT ON TH MUSIC INDUSTRY HE'S THE MAN BEHIND USHER, PIN AND THE LEGENDER WHITNEY HOUSTON.

I ASKED L.A. HIS FORMULA FOR DISCOVERING THE NEXT BIG STAR.

YOU TEND TO BE ABLE TO SEE SOMEBODY'S POTENTIAL EVEN BEFORE THEY SING.

HOW DO YOU DO THAT

HERE'S THE TRUTH.

I CAN TELL IN YOUR VOICE WHE YOU SPEAK, I CAN TELL IF YOU HAVE A VOICE EVEN WHEN YOU SPEAK, WHEN YOU SAY HELLO.

I CAN ALMOST HEAR WHETHER IT'S A MUSICAL VOICE OR NOT IT'S NOT JUST ME IF YOU TALK TO ANY PRODUCER, BABYFACE OR DAVID FOSTER OR TI BALAND, ANY PRODUCER WILL TELL YOU THAT YOU CAN HEAR VOICE TONE IN SPEAKING.

SO IT DOESN'T MAKE ME LIKE SOM SPECIAL MAGICIAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT YOU CAN TELL YOU CAN REALLY TELL EARLY ON I SOMEBODY HAS IT OR NOT

WELL, PRETTY SOON AFTER YOU SIGNED USHER, YOU SIGNED TON BRAXTON, OUTKAST, TLC AND PINK YOU WERE REALLY HITTING IT THEN YOU WRITE, MONEY CHANGE EVERYTHING

YEAH, IT DOES

WHAT DID MONEY CHANGE WHAT HAPPENED?

WELL, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TH SUCCESS THAT WE'VE HAD, I REALLY OWE IT TO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE AROUND ME AT THE TIME.

BABYFACE WAS THERE, MY EX-WIFE PEBBLES WAS AROUND SO IT WAS OUR TEAM THA ATTRACTED ALL OF THIS TALENT IT WASN'T SO MUCH ME SO ONCE THAT TEAM STARTED TO COME APART A LITTLE BIT, FOR VARIOUS REASONS, IT BECAME DIFFICULT FOR ME, RIGHT?

YOU KNOW, I REALLY LOVED THE IDEA OF BUILDING LAFACE RECORDS.

AND KENNY TO HIS CREDIT LIKE THE IDEA OF BUILDING SUPERSTARS.

MY CHOICES ARE DO I PRODUCE THIS NEW ARTIST OR DO I PRODUCE MADONNA?

YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE CHOICE.

IF I'M HIM, I'D TAKE MADONNA BUT IN MY MIND, WE WERE BUILDING A BUSINESS SO YOU SHOULD DO THIS ARTIST INSTEAD.

SO THAT BECAME A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE IT WAS REALLY CAREER PATH AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW AND KENNY WANTED TO BE THE GREATEST PRODUCER IN THE WORLD AND I WANTED TO BUILD A MOTOWN

YOU WANTED TO BUILD A MOTOWN.

YOU WANTED TO BE A BIG EXECUTIVE PRODUCER BECAUSE BARTELSMAN, THE BI CORPORATION, BIG CORPORATE -

YEAH.

GERMAN WHO OWNED ARISTA THEREFORE HAD CONTROL OVER YOU GUY, THEY WENT TO YOU AND THEY SAID CLIVE DAVIS WHO RUN ARISTA, WE WANT HIM OUT, WE WANT YOU IN YOU SAID NO FOR A WHILE, BUT THEN YOU SAID YES.

KIND OF COLD, KIND OF RUTHLESS

WELL, IS IT REALLY?

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I PUT IN A LOT OF WORK.

I PAID MY DUES AND I HAVE ASPIRATIONS AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY AND, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIE WERE KNOCKING.

AT THAT POINT ONLY ONE

IN FACT, YOU TURNED THEM DOWN FOR THREE YEARS.

YEAH.

TO BE FAIR.

AND I THOUGHT IT WAS TH RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT YOU KNO WHAT YES, I'M AMBITIOUS I'M VERY AMBITIOUS, LIKE MANY OF US BUT I'M ALSO VERY LOYAL, WHICH IS WHY I GAVE IT A LOT OF TIME AND I SAID NO IN THE BEGINNING BUT ULTIMATELY IT TURNED OUT T BE THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR BOTH MYSELF AND CLIVE

SO AT ARISTA YOU STARTE WORKING AGAIN WITH WHITNEY HOUSTON, YOU WORKED WITH HER AND MARIAH CAREY YOU WANTED TO TURN A REVIVAL O THEIR CAREERS.

TURNED OUT DIFFERENTLY

KENNY AND I PRODUCED WHITNE EARLY.

WE WORKED ON THE BODYGUARD SOUND TRACK AND I'M YOUR BABY TONIGHT.

WE WON GRAMMYS WORKING WIT WHITNEY HOUSTON.

AND SHE BECAME A PAL SOMEONE I REALLY LOOK UP TO.

TO THIS DAY I STILL SAY SHE' MAYBE THE BEST SINGER THAT'S EVER OPENED UP HER MOUTH SHE'S INCREDIBLE TO ME BUT WHEN I MOVED TO ARISTA, IT WAS SORT OF AT A DIFFERENT POINT IN WHITNEY'S LIFE AND HE CAREER SHE ALREADY HAD THE MASSIV SUCCESS.

SHE ALREADY HAD THE BODYGUARD.

SHE'D HAD A MAJOR COMEBACK ALBUM AFTER THAT SO I THINK I KIND OF TOOK TH JOB AT A TIME WHEN MAYBE SHE WASN'T AS FOULKED AS SHE WAS EARLY IN HER CAREER.

YOU SAY ONE OF THE BIGGES MISTAKES OF YOUR CAREER WA SOMETHING TO DO WITH HER A ARISTA WHAT HAPPENED.

ABOUT DIANE SAWYER INTERVIEW

I DIDN'T FEEL GREAT ABOUT I BECAUSE THE TRUTH WAS I DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS EXPERIENCING SOME DIFFICULTIES AT THAT TIME.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOU SUBSTANCE ABUSE.

AS CLOSE AS I AM, I THINK I DO DRAW A LINE AND I DON'T GO OVERLY PERSONAL WITH MAN ARTISTS, SO I DIDN'T KNOW.

AND WHEN DIANE SAWYER STARTED TO ASK HER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANCE ABUSE, AND SHE ANSWERED THAT CRACK IS WHACK, MY FACE DROPPED I WAS LIKE, OH, MY GOD I'VE MADE A HORRIBLE MISTAKE HERE BECAUSE MY JOB IS T PROTECT TALENT AND NOT TO EXPOSE THEM I THOUGHT IT WAS A HORRIBL MISTAKE.

SO THAT WAS A MISTAKE THE SECOND MISTAKE WAS WHEN YO WERE AT DEF JAM, THERE WAS A SINGER THAT WAS SIGNED TO TH LABEL THAT YOU SAID, I DON'T THINK SO TALK ABOUT THAT.

THAT ONE'S FAMOUS.

THAT ONE'S REALLY FAMOUS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LADY GAGA, RIGHT?

WHO I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS WAY TOO MANY TIMES AND I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR HER SHE WON A GOLDEN GLOBE I WAS BESIDE MYSELF.

SEE, NOW, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MY ARTIST.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ME SITTIN NEXT TO HER WATCHING HER WIN A GOLDEN GLOBE, BUT INSTEAD I HA A BAD DAY.

AND I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THIS GIRL HAD THE GOODS.

BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD ON THE DEMO TAPES WAS VERY DIFFERENT THA WHAT I EXPERIENCED IN HE AUDITION SO ULTIMATELY, I LET HER GO, AND SHE WENT ON AND BECAME A MASSIVE --

SO L.A. IS NOT INFALLIBLE IT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

SO YOU WENT FROM DEF JAM T X-FACTOR TO A RECORD LABEL THA WAS LIKE A CEMETERY THAT HAD BEEN HUGE, EPIC RECORDS.

RIGHT

YOU WENT THERE KIND O DEPRESSED NOT ONLY BECAUSE EPI WAS IN THE DOLDRUMS BUT BECAUS YOU THOUGHT YOU LOST YOUR MOJO HOW DID YOU GET YOUR MOJO BACK

YOU KNOW, BY FOCUSING I GOT BACK IN THE GROOVE B SPENDING TIME WITH ARTISTS, BY LISTENING TO MUSIC AND MY GREA FRIEND BABYFACE.

JUST SPENDING -- HE PROBABLY DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HOW IMPORTAN SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WERE TO ME AT THAT TIME, BUT H REALLY HELPED ME GET BACK ON TRACK AND FOCUSED, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST SOME THINGS HE SAID THAT SET OFF SOMETHING INSIDE ME AND BOOM I WAS BACK ON TRACK

YOU WERE BACK ON TRACK.

YOU DISCOVERED A SINGER/SONGWRITER THAT SOME OF OUR VIEWERS MIGHT HAVE HEARD OF, MEGHAN TRAINOR

YEAH, I LOVE MEGHAN

YOU PUT EPIC RECORDS BACK O TRACK.

I HAVE SO MANY THINGS TO TALK I'M TRYING TO GET THE MOJO BACK.

LISTEN, IT'S A FASCINATIN BOOK 'SING TO ME.

IT WAS REALLY A PLEASURE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH

YOU REALLY READ THIS THING?

I READ IT FROM COVER TO COVER.

I HAVEN'T READ IT YET

> HOW DOES THE YOUNGEST AN SKRAUNIEST OF THE EMPERO PENGUINS SURVIVE ITS FIRST FEW MONTHS OF LIFE IN ANTARCTI TEMPERATURES THAT OFTEN DROP T 80 BELOW ZERO.

HOW DO EMPEROR PENGUIN PARENTS AND BABY-SITTERS MAKE SURE THA THESE LITTLE CHICKS THRIVE AND SURVIVE?

THAT'S THE STORY THAT THEY IMAGINE IN THE DOCUMENTARY 'SNOW CHICK.

ONE OF NATURE'S MOS EXTRAORDINARY STORIES IS ABOUT TO BEGIN EMPEROR PENGUIN CHICKS HATCH INTO THE FROZEN WORLD OF ANTARCTICA THEIR CHILDHOOD WILL LAST SI MONTHS EVERY DAY IS FULL OF DRAMA THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF BAB EMPERORS AND FROM ALL THEI ADVENTURES WE IMAGINE THE STOR OF A SINGLE ONE.

♪♪

BY THE WAY, THIS FILM ABOUT THE COMING OF AGE OF A BAB PENGUIN, WHICH AS MANY OF YO PROBABLY ALREADY NOTICE, WAS NARRATED BY KATE WINSLET TRENDED NUMBER ONE ON TWITTE FOR OVER TWO HOURS WHEN IT AIRED ON THE BBC AND JOINING ME NOW TO TALK ABOUT 'SNOW CHICK' IS THE EXECUTIV PRODUCER OF 'NATURE' FRE COPLEY FRED, WELCOME BACK

THANKS, GOOD TO BE HERE

FRED, NATURE SAYS IN IT PRESS RELEASE THAT 'SNOW CHICK IMAGINES THIS STORY.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

WHAT IT MEANS IS WE COULDN' POSSIBLY TRACK ONE INDIVIDUA SNOW CHICK ON THE ICE FOR ON REASON THERE ARE THOUSANDS O PENGUINS

AS WE SAW

AND FOR ANOTHER REASON, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GET WITHIN 20 METERS OF THE PENGUINS.

SO IT WAS JUST IMPOSSIBLE TO D IT SO RATHER THAN SAYING WELL, THEN LET'S NOT, WE THOUGHT WE'D FIL SEVERAL OF THEM AND PUT TOGETHER THIS COMPOSITE CHARACTER OF WHAT A SNOW CHICK WOULD GO THROUG DURING THE COURSE OF HIS CHILDHOOD.

EVERYTHING YOU FILM IS TRUE EVERYTHING ACTUALLY HAPPENED

EVERYTHING WAS TRUE EVERYTHING YOU SEE IS WHAT THE GO THROUGH SOME NOT AS SUCCESSFUL A OTHERS, BUT YOU SEE ALL TH EVENTS AND WHAT IT TAKES T SURVIVE.

SO HOW WERE YOU ABLE TO GET SO CLOSE IF YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSE TO GET SO CLOSE, HOW WERE YO ABLE TO GET THOSE REALLY U THERE IN YOUR FACE PICTURES?

WELL, WE DESIGNED ALL THESE LITTLE SORT OF MOBILE CAMERAS, AND THEY WERE DESIGNED AS EITHER SNOW CHICKS THEMSELVES OR THEY WERE PUT ON PLATFORMS AN DESCRIBED AS ICE BOULDERS OR BIG SNOWBALLS, ALL THIS SORT O THING.

AND THEY WERE VERY SLOWLY SORT OF MOVED INTO POSITION THEY SORT OF CREPT THEM IN BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT T STARTLE THEM AND THEY WOULD ALL MOVE AWAY SO THEY WOULD TAKE THEIR TIM GETTING THESE MOBILE CAMERAS I POSITION, AND FOR SOME OF THEM THEY JUST LET THEM CONSTANTL RECORD AND IN OTHER CASES THERE WOULD BE SOMEBODY WITH SWITCHES, E CETERA, TO MONITOR AND MOVE TH CAMERA AND GET THE BEHAVIOR THAT YOU'RE SEEING.

MOST OF THE FOOTAGE WAS SHOT B ROBOTIC CAMERAS.

RIGHT WHO WERE THE FILMMAKERS AND HO LONG DID THEY TAKE TO SHOO THIS

A FRENCH WOMAN WHO HAS Ph.D. IN ARCTIC BIRDS.

SHE'S SHOT ANTARCTIC PENGUIN SEVERAL TIMES.

SHE KNOWS THE TERRAIN.

SHE KNOWS WHAT IT TAKES.

I MUST SAY IT'S REALLY EXTRAORDINARY.

IT IS

OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR THEY SHOT 330 DAYS OUT OF 36 AND A DAY WAS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 12 AND 16 HOURS A DAY.

IS THERE AN ANIMAL THAT ELICITS MORE LAUGHTER INNATELY THAN A PENGUIN I MEAN, TO ME THEY LOOK LIKE A ARMY OF CHARLIE CHAPLINS

WELL, THEY DO THEY'RE CLUMSY AND AWKWARD THEY LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE TUXEDOS.

EVEN THOUGH THEY WADDLE AND THEY SEEM AWKWARD AND ON LAND ON TH OCEAN THEY'RE EXTRAORDINARY.

THEY COULD HOLD THEIR BREATH FOR 20 MINUTES THEY'RE THE DEEPEST DIVING BIR IN THE WORLD THEY CAN EVEN REACH DEPTHS O 2,000 FEET, WHICH IS AMAZING

ALL RIGHT WELL, FRED, 'SNOW CHICK' THE NEW DOCUMENTARY IS WONDERFUL THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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