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Judas Member Posts: 5 |
posted 01-11-2002 06:57 PM
  
Can you read or do you tend to just look at the pictures???? |
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amyb Member Posts: 11 |
posted 01-11-2002 07:02 PM
quote: Yes I did read it still don't see your point. I was awake for my recent appendix surgery would you like me to explain it in detail?? [This message has been edited by amyb (edited 01-11-2002).] |
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Cferra Member Posts: 10 |
posted 01-11-2002 07:06 PM
Yeah I can read.I read it. It just explains what the procedure entails. it's not pretty but hey, least the guy can hear. It's more graphic to look at the procedure that heart, lung, liver, kidney and brain operations. The operation may cause problems but what operation doesn't? The point is, someone can now hear. Maybe science will improve to the point that deafness can be fixed by using other means like through lasers or something. Just remember, you don't see blind people up in arms over laser eye surgery or wheelchair people going nuts ovber surgery that'd help people walk. All it is doing is helping to make someone's life better. |
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amyb Member Posts: 11 |
posted 01-11-2002 07:51 PM
Another point to consider, If deaf people don't view themselves as handicap then why are there so many deaf taking advantage of funding set aside for them?? I am not handicapped and I do not have special funding put aside for me? Why are so many like my parents on social security disability, who by the way also claim they are not handicapped. If they are not handicapped then I guess they should be buying their own ttys and hearing aids and fire alarms specially made for them. Programs like the lions club should give there money only to the blind and various other handicaps. And If they are not handicapped perhaps they should consider paying the bill for the interpreters they use. I appreciate the attitude of "I can" but at the same time with deaf as well as other handicaps that term has to come with limitations. |
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D Member Posts: 7 |
posted 01-11-2002 11:48 PM
My friend asked me to post it for him. He feels like writing it and asked me to post it...
If you got no problem being deaf and glad that you're not part of deaf culture??? You are one confused person. Whether you like it or not, you are part of Deaf Culture! Here are the examples: 1. TTY, Phone flashers, doorbell flashers, closed caption, Alarm that goes off by vibrator or lights, and using sign language interpreter. Those are several examples of what deaf culture means! I guess you must really hear VERY WELL with your hearing aid not to be part of deaf culture or you're in denial! In that case, I think you know the answer. Deaf culture is not a "threatening" word to hearing people and it shouldn't! Just remember, yeah I am deaf and that doesn't matter to me because people What make you think all deaf people aren't treated fine by those hearing people?? I'm deaf and I have deaf and hearing friends+family. I do not see any difference between those two except that both use different kind of communication methods. Perhaps pride is getting in the way of acceptance because You're wrong. It's very important for every individuals to have pride in themselves and their background being deaf or hearing. It's not getting in the way of acceptance!! Again, you're confused as hell! I'm very proud of myself as a deaf person being able to do what I want in life. That doesn't scare my hearing friends or family away! We're put on this earth for same reason as the next person…deaf or hearing. So, try to be inclusive, instead of Try to be inclusive??? Oh please!!!! There are some deaf people like myself who live in both worlds and there are some deaf people who want nothing to do with hearing people. Same thing goes for hearing people toward the deaf. Not only deaf! Same goes people with different races, religious, culture, nationality, etc….. Overall, those people who think deaf people should get cochlear implants, who do you think you are?? Is it because, it will give them better chances of being productive and maximizing their potentials?? That's a BULL. All type of people….deaf or hearing….they both either succeed or failed in life……yes, it's true that deaf people tend to have it harder, not because of the deafness, it's because of the society we live in. Those problems also applies to women and minorities. The Sound and Fury movie. I know the family personally and the show is BIASED! They showed you the kids with cochlear implants that seem so successful! You haven't seen those that failed…those that had multiple surgeries to correct the problems….those who are angry for being forced to get the implants….those who stopped using it……..those who have to go to endless speech and hearing training that never worked! They leave out the hard facts and feed you with bogus information. The sounds that cochlear implants make are more of computerized sound and is not EQUATED to what hearing people hear. Hearing aids like Impact and Digital are powerful enough and simple to use. Who wants to go to audiologist once a month or whatever to adjust the Cochlear Implant packet that they carry on them all day long attached to a wire that goes to the cochlear behind their head??? Who wants a metal piece inside their head?? With or without cochlear implants, deaf people will always be deaf! I'm a very successful deaf individual with graduate degree and a great job. I basically worked hard and set my goals straight to get to where I am today just like any other successful people. Cochlear implant will not do that for anyone. There's no easy way! I know there will be a lot of things that I will never hear….SO WHAT! I was never born with it. It may sounds hard for hearing people to understand this because they have never been deaf to understand that! We, the deaf, will never understand why it's such a BIG DEAL for us to be able to "hear" Who cares about hearing birds sing?? Crickets making noise?? Talk on the phone?? GIMME BREAK! Thank you and that's all I need to say. Let's live together in peace and respect one another! If I ever have hearing children, that's OK….if deaf children…that's OK too. The society must accept all different kinds of people that lives on this planet….deaf, hearing, blacks, spanish, jewish, catholic, women, etc etc etc……. Signed by proud to be deaf
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RickA Member Posts: 10 |
posted 01-12-2002 12:32 AM
James, "The Sound and Fury movie. I know the family personally and the show is BIASED!" I know, not well by any means, the families in the movie and with few exceptions most people, on either side of the issue, view the documentary as being fair and unbiased.
They also, instead of letting us hear Peter's and Nita's and all the other Deaf people's real voices, used very articulate and easy to listen voices to represent them speaking. They also chose Heather who was a bright, inquisitive and cute as a button to represent Deaf children. Do you have a problem with that? I do not. The kids shown are indeed representative of kids who are implanted early, attend an oral based program and are in a strong oral environment. Sorry if that bothers you. "They leave out the hard facts and feed you with bogus information." Please cite some support for your "hard facts" and "non-bogus" information. "The sounds that cochlear implants make are more of computerized sound and is not EQUATED to what hearing people hear." And your point is...? So what, with a ci my daughter understands what is being said to her, she uses the telephone and enjoys music. Please explain the relevance of your point. "Hearing aids like Impact and Digital are powerful enough and simple to use." For some that my be true, for others, like my daughter it is not. Again, your point is...? "Who wants to go to audiologist once a month" Agree, with you there but even my daughter, who requires mappings more frequently than the norm does not go once a month. "or whatever to adjust the Cochlear Implant packet that they carry on them all day long attached to a wire that goes to the cochlear behind their head??? Who wants a metal piece inside their head??" So let me see if I understand this, rather than wear her processor which weighs several ounces and which she wears behind her back with the wires and the coil concealed by her clothes, which in turn allow her to freely and easily communicate with virtually everyone she meets everyday; you propose the less burdensome and inconspicuous option of having another 100 pound plus human being at her side all day long to interpret all of her conversations, even her private ones. Yes, I see your point clearly, well made, well made. "With or without cochlear implants, deaf people will always be deaf!" Agreed and no one ever told us differently. [This message has been edited by RickA (edited 01-12-2002).] |
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RickA Member Posts: 10 |
posted 01-12-2002 12:41 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Judas: [THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THESE CHILDREN!!!" WE ALREADY KNEW THAT!!! My daughter was perfect before her ci! . |
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amyb Member Posts: 11 |
posted 01-12-2002 09:40 AM
If you got no problem being deaf and glad that you're not part of deaf culture??? You are one confused person. Whether you like it or not, you are part of Deaf Culture! Here are the examples: 1. TTY, Phone flashers, doorbell flashers, closed caption, Alarm that goes off by vibrator or lights, and using sign language interpreter. So What you also mean is people who are blind and use a cane and special equipment are also a part of a culture?? People who are in wheelchairs and use walkers are also a part of a culture? What you have explained about deaf culture is the adaptive equipment they have to use, adaptive communications to help lead a more easier and fulfilling life. We all use some type of adaptive equipment to make our lives easier, the stove the microwave the telephone ect.. My view of the deaf culture is deaf individuals who associate with one another to help ease the burdens you all share in everyday life. It is a world that is comfortable and without barriers. I guess I never realized that adaptive equipment was the definition of your culture. So everyone who wears a hearing aid is a part of the deaf culture..even my grandma who could hear all her life and now needs a hearing aid? To me and from what I have seen the deaf culture is made up of individuals who are deaf and use ASL, I have with my own two eyes seen hard of hearing people rejected by this community, as well as people who use different methods of sign such as SE , Homemade, SEE ect..Now I am also seeing deaf individuals who choose to have the implant rejected as well. To me it seems as if it is an exclusive club and the requirements to join are deafness and ASL, family members who are deaf help your standing in the community.
I have to agree here, the deaf culture or whatever it is is very exclusive, It depends on your background, your signing skills, what school you went to, how many deaf you have in your family what your views about deaf children are, ect.. to have a good standing within the deaf community. Hey I know I have seen it all my life, kinder ship is not something most deaf feel for all deaf. Look at how Miss. America was treated by the deaf, they are ashamed because she can't sign. AHH give me a break. yes, it's true that deaf people tend to have it harder, not because of the deafness, it's because of the society we live in. So the society we live in should all be deaf?? What I saw were several children it helped! The sounds that cochlear implants make are more of computerized sound and is not EQUATED to what hearing people hear. Hearing aids like Impact and Digital are powerful enough and simple to use. Who wants to go to audiologist once a month or whatever to adjust the Cochlear Implant packet that they carry on them all day long attached to a wire that goes to the cochlear behind their head??? Who wants a metal piece inside their head?? With or without cochlear implants, deaf people will always be deaf! And a one legged man can say the same about his prosthesis. It is uncomfortable doesn't work the same as a real one and hates he has to wear it everyday. BUT he does, why?? because it helps him function, live an easier life with less barriers. I'm a very successful deaf individual with graduate degree and a great job. I basically worked hard and set my goals straight to get to where I am today just like any other successful people. How many deaf are like you, the majority of the deaf I know work in jobs where they cannot climb the ladder,not because of dicrimination but because they must be able to hear to proform the duties required, or they are on social security disability. Cochlear implant will not do that for anyone. It can do it for some, if you can succeed without hearing imagine how someone with hearing can succeed. There's no easy way! I know there will be a lot of things that I will never hear….SO WHAT! I was never born with it. It may sounds hard for hearing people to understand this because they have never been deaf to understand that! We, the deaf, will never understand why it's such a BIG DEAL for us to be able to "hear" Who cares about hearing birds sing?? Crickets making noise?? Talk on the phone?? And you my friend cannot fight for our country, you cannot have a daycare you cannot be a firefighter or a police officer. That may be ok for you but how dare you say it for all deaf. Some do want chances like that and I have faith that with new developments like the implant, they will become more advanced and more user friendly and perhaps the doors that are closed to you will be opened for others. How proud would you be in the future, if your grandson who was born deaf fought a fire and saved a life because of the new advances in technology? we the people have a responsibility , to insure a better future for all mankind that includes finding cures and better adaptive equipment to give all an equal chance. If we said today the hell with finding a cure for deafness to hell with the adaptive equipment close captioning, TTY's, flashing lights, hearing aids, interpreters and all of that you all would scream discrimination. All of it was made to break down barriers, to help bring you closer to a life without frustrations. The implant is a part of that whole picture and if what you say is true about your culture it is based on adaptive equipment then the implant has to be a part of that culture too.
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Cferra Member Posts: 10 |
posted 01-12-2002 10:14 AM
D, We all have opinions of this issue. I have mine and you have yours. One thing is certain. I am not in denial or confused about the whole deaf culture issue. The examples you used that explain what it means to be in deaf culture does not apply to me. Sorry. I have used the phone and I can hear it ringing without my hearing aids in. As I have said multiple times already, I am 70% deaf in one ear and 80% in the other. How can I be a part of it when I have never been exposed to it? Besides here are some responses to the criteria you have laid out: 1. I don’t use any of those devices and I don’t sign so why would I need an interpreter when I can talk fine. My voice is quite clear and I wouldn’t need an interpreter. I had speech therapy when I was little and it works when the kids are young. So, you can see I don’t really meet the criteria for being in deaf culture. I’m not in “denial”, as you put it because I am just like everyone else I know who isn’t deaf. Only thing is, I have hearing aids. I went to speech therapy when I was young and sure it doesn’t work for everyone but I had the greatest teacher and we worked through it. I can speak quite well and the only time I go to the audiologist is for a check up every year or to get a new ear mold or two. I’m also not saying all deaf people are treated okay. But some aren’t. But you have to admit, not all hearing people are bad you know. That’s all I have to say because I don’t think this argument is getting anywhere. |
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Deafgrrrl Member Posts: 3 |
posted 01-14-2002 01:40 AM
I have to say that Sound and Fury WAS biased. The main reason why I say that is that it portrays CI as a "cure" for deafness. Look at all the posts here going on and on about how Heather's parents were so wrong to limit her. However virtually ALL the studies (including by CI proponets) say that the born-deaf child who is implanted remains "severely hearing impaired" Yes, it is a good tool to gain some hearing. After all, CI is only for those people who have not been sucessful with hearing aids. (mostly profound/severe losses) However, educators need to realize that they need to develop a system of education for kids who still remain "severely hearing impaired" We need to capitlaize on the fact that visual learning is a STRENGH for most prelingally deafened people! There has been NOTHING! Most educational programs for the Deaf have failed b/c they are modled on the "fixit" special educational model. Kids concentrate too much on learning how to articulate the correct sound when they could be learning about other stuff. Deaf people's(nonverbal) IQ is on average HIGHER then a hearing persons IQ! Instead of turning Deaf kids into hearing kids we need to educate them bilingally and bicultrally! That way they can take advantage of both English and ASL! Studies have shown that deaf kids who use ASL (who are Deaf) make the same mistakes that ESLers (English as a Second Languagers) make and their acheivement levels are the same! Studies have shown that hearing kids who are exposed to both ASL and English outperform even hearing kids who are monolingal! |
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L Sapin Member Posts: 2 |
posted 01-14-2002 10:04 AM
I think the reason that ‘deaf culture" is so important is because of how deaf people experience communication. Deaf children of hearing parents (most deaf people) start life isolated and unable to effectively communicate. Try as they might, their parents cannot master ASL well enough to keep up with their child’s needs, and everyone else around them communicates only by speech. The child is left out and severely frustrated since communication is the essence of human existence. And then (finally!) the deaf child encounters other deaf people, who sign fluently and expressively, and the world of communication is suddenly opened. They finally are able to learn and share all the words and ideas that have been trapped inside of them! They feel no longer estranged, but at home, among the people who truly understand them. How exhilarating! The deaf child embraces all deaf people as family, as saviors, as restorers of humanity. These are powerful and wonderful feelings, but it is necessary to remember that they arise from the contrast of the early deaf experience. Not all deaf persons will share this experience, and especially those that have cochlear implants early. But is the lack of "deaf culture" lack of culture, period? That would be a tragedy! But the reality is, everybody has a culture, and everybody, no matter how "abled" or "disabled", needs to find their "true family" with whom to communicate on the deepest levels, or suffer loneliness. |
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L Sapin Member Posts: 2 |
posted 01-14-2002 01:35 PM
What has not been much discussed is the reality that the deaf also can have hearing children, whether by the accident of birth or by cochlear implant. Will they love their hearing children more or less than deaf strangers? Do they want their children to reside in deaf culture by choice or necessity? Will not their children, deaf or hearing, grow up, move on, meet and learn to love others? For example, no matter how much we love our family, eventually the time comes to break the connection and find our way in the world, and to form new "family" connections in friendship, work and marriage. A struggle ensues, but eventually the conflict is resolved between groups, and compromises are forged. We realize that each group can fulfill our needs separately without being exclusive. Our family gives us unconditional support and love, while our friends offer commonality of interests. Our working colleagues give us commonality of purpose and endeavor. Our religious affiliations provide values and community. |
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Nora_Lee New Member Posts: 1 |
posted 01-16-2002 01:14 PM
Hi, I'm hearing, and i am trying to learn more about Deaf culture, and ASL. I have had no experiences myself with the Deaf community as of yet since i don't know anyone who is deaf in my area of the country. I would like to ask this though. Why does their have to be such a cookie-cutter world of Deaf culture and another one for Hearing culture? Why not embrace both if you have the means to? Anyway, enough out of me, that's just my own opinion. God Bless, |
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Nora Member Posts: 7 |
posted 02-14-2002 03:37 PM
You are not born into Deaf Culture. My daughter is profoundly deaf and has never been exposed to a single sign. She is not and never will be in Deaf Culture. She was implanted at 17 months and talks and listens like any (now) three-year-old hearing child. This is not sad for her, as some ASL proponents seem to think. We are overjoyed that she can communicate with the vast majority of the population as effortlessly as any hearing person does. We are thrilled to see our happy, outgoing girl speaking confidently to anyone and being understood by everyone. What would be sad, and indeed a terrible tragedy, is for her to be confined to communicating with a very small segment of the population (ASL users) and be tied to an interpreter for any interaction with the rest of the world. I believe that she has achieved her age-appropriate speech and language precisely because we didn't sign with her. She has been concentrating on her auditory skills and not confusing that with a visual language that has a completely different grammar structure than does English. At her oral preschool, she meets and talks to many other deaf children and adults who do not sign, but who talk and listen like she does. A deaf child does not need to be limited to ASL and Deaf Culture to interact with others who share his or her handicap. I find that a very sheltered life. |
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bill streiff New Member Posts: 1 |
posted 04-23-2002 08:29 PM
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Data Member Posts: 2 |
posted 05-05-2002 12:07 AM
What's to keep Deaf culture intact? This is probably the world's most advanced Deaf news delivery system online. This is interesting comparsion made today, once you see http://www.hearingexchange.com you'll find this interesting in comparsion to deafbase.net This site is geared towards on "more oralism approach" while Deafbase is geared towards "more Deaf culture side" Although I try not to bias each sides but balance everything. I'm strong believer in balance for everything. |
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Nora Member Posts: 7 |
posted 04-22-2003 12:56 AM
"It is very hard for us hearing folks to understand how people of one culture (hearing) could give birth to a child of a different culture (Deaf)." My deaf child was not born into a different culture than my own (I'm hearing). Had I CHOSEN to teach her to communicate through sign, then she would probably have been introduced to the "Deaf Culture," whatever that is, but I did not make that choice. She's never been exposed to a single sign, nor a single deaf person who signs. She knows plenty of deaf people of all ages, but they all LISTEN and TALK, as does she. Why do you assume that all deaf children will be signers, and therefore become a part of Deaf culture? |
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tehiru New Member Posts: 1 |
posted 06-21-2003 06:36 AM
More than anything-I get from the Cochlear "debate" is anger on one side and fear on other. And if I 'hear' the word - culture mentioned in the context of a defence without the words inferiority complex followed closely-I'll shake my hands violently for several minutes. I know that is a sh**ty comment-but ALL people who can hear-hate deaf culture.We are all trying to wipe your way of life off the planet.Sarcasm rarely translates. Personally-I learned to sign in a Catholic grade school in the 70's because one student was deaf. What I learned most was the frustration of trying to be understood. 30 years later she and I still TTY and IM and e-mail each other. She told me once that given the chance she would like to hear my voice but would settle for me learning to type faster and for me to lighten up. Good Advice:LIGHTEN UP-anger and fear when mixed=websites debating personal choices where only one vote counts. |
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twinkie22 unregistered Posts: 1 |
posted 10-10-2003 11:19 AM
~The deaf culture will always be there. The cochlear implant will not lose that. Sign language will always be around. I am a hearing student and I am learning sign language. I dont have to but I want to. If there are students like me then the deaf culture will always be around. ~ |
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keri_emu unregistered Posts: 1 |
posted 10-27-2003 12:02 PM
I understand that many of you are having a hard time with deaf culture. Please don't let the film be your only way of learning about deaf culture. Deaf culture is composed of many things such as art, language, drama, poetry, sports, ect., just like any culture. People who are blind DO NOT have culture. They have no language. Braille is just English in a dot formation. ASL is NOT English put into words. It has its own syntax (word order) and is closer to Japanese or Navajo than English. Deaf people have their own forms of art. Take a look at www.deafart.org Deaf culture is not all "militant, anti-hearing" people. That is a very extreme and small part of the group. People in deaf culture also have a broad range of opinions as well. My parents, who are both deaf and a part of deaf culture, believe that is an individual choice and that each deaf child is different. Some children learn better with sign, some learn better orally, and some need total communication. Please don't group all members of deaf culture into one group. It's just like any other culture, people have many, many views. |
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Ezekiel 25:17 Member Posts: 5 |
posted 12-03-2003 03:36 PM
I am new member of thirteen, whoa! Please welcome me. I am deaf and grew up in mainstream and took deaf studies (the most boring class) for requirement in college. What is deaf culture mean? (Sorry for using small "d") Why must large "D"?? That’s sound ridiculous, how about big "H" as hearing, Big "W" as wheelchair, eh? What about big "B" as blind. Wheelchair and blind dont have any own culture, hmm? |
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Ezekiel 25:17 Member Posts: 5 |
posted 12-03-2003 03:38 PM
I am new member of thirteen, whoa! Please welcome me. I am deaf and grew up in mainstream and took deaf studies (the most boring class) for requirement in college. What is deaf culture mean? (Sorry for using small "d") Why must large "D"?? That’s sound ridiculous, how about big "H" as hearing, Big "W" as wheelchair, eh? What about big "B" as blind. Wheelchair and blind dont have any own culture, hmm? |
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Ezekiel 25:17 Member Posts: 5 |
posted 12-03-2003 03:41 PM
I am new member of thirteen, whoa! Please welcome me. I am deaf and grew up in mainstream and took deaf studies (the most boring class) for requirement in college. What is deaf culture mean? (Sorry for using small "d") Why must large "D"?? That’s sound ridiculous, how about big "H" as hearing, Big "W" as wheelchair, eh? What about big "B" as blind. Wheelchair and blind dont have any own culture, hmm? |
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coloradotiger New Member Posts: 1 |
posted 03-31-2004 07:25 PM
I have a question for the "deaf culture". if people with cochlear implants are not accepted within the community then what about the deaf people who have never learned sign language? instead they were taught to lipread and spent countless hours with devoted audiologists who taught them how to speak clearly and without a 'deaf accent.' are these people not accepted into the culture either? and if they are not, why would you deny the social advantages that come with knowing other deaf people? |
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Linden Member Posts: 2 |
posted 04-25-2004 11:35 AM
I thought it was interesting to read elsewhere on the internet that Heather and her brother and her mother have all been implanted since the film was made. The youngest boy in the family is hard of hearing, so I guess he is not a candidate for the surgery? |
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