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Topic: Program 1: Living with Dying
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AGehlken New Member Posts: 1 From: Tuscaloosa, AL, USA Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 09-14-2000 12:24 AM
This entire series was exceptionally well done. I am twenty-eight years old and for the past 12 years have watched my grandmother die a very slow death. She suffered from diabetes, parkinson's, alzheimer's and finally congestive heart failure in the end. She died this past May. My grandmother was very fortunate to have a family that was both financially and physically able to care for her. She was a very strong, courageous woman and wanted to live out her life at home, and we, thankfully, were able to provide for her in the way that she wanted. In her last few years of life, she could do nothing for herself. On a good day, she would be able to string a few words together. Although she could not relay her thoughts in words, you could see it in her eyes...that she did not want to lay there anymore. She was tired of the struggle. As difficult as that was to watch, by our faith in God, we knew that he was the one in control of my grandmother's life and death. I also witnessed the myriad of emotions, the stress, and the strain that my mother (her daughter) and my uncle went through in caring for my grandmother all these years. I think that is a very important point that this series addressed...the difficulties of the caregivers. Having strong, capable, emotionally stable caregivers is as important for the ill person as for the caregiver themselves. As people continue to live longer lives, the care of our mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters in their later years and at their death is going to become a part of the way we live our daily lives. It must, however, also become a part of the way our public policy and health care system are structured. Families need support and options available to them to be able to provide quality care and quality of life to their loved ones. The patient and the family need not only to be ministered to physically by medical personnel but also spiritually and emotionally as Dr. Bailey at Cooper Green Hospital pointed out. To listen to the stories in this series and see the sacrifices that family members made to care for their loved ones was both uplifting and at the same time heart-wrenching in that the government, the health care system, and the private industry sector does not see this as a basic need or priority. In the area where I live, we are fortunate to have some wonderful programs available to help families provide and improve the quality of life for their loved ones. Three years ago churches in this area started a non-profit adult day care for those with various forms of illnesses and dementia. This organization provides the much needed support for the caregivers as well as stimulation and socialization for the patients. There are many exceptional programs out there, and I urge everyone to investigate what their community has to offer. It is imperative that society begins to think about these issues...especially care for our increasingly aging population in their illnesses and in their death. Stories such as these are going to become the norm and not the exception. I applaud Bill Moyers and PBS on their efforts in bringing these issues to light. |
Stamm44 Moderator Posts: 63 From: Louisville, KY, USA Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 09-14-2000 01:15 AM
The following message was sent directly to PBS by 'Vrkrb' and is reposted with permission:<< I was a hospice social worker for 3-4 years. I worked in 2 facilities in which people with terminal illness came to die (one was featured on this show). I just wanted to say that dying brings up so much emotion. It was said - but too softly for my taste -- that morphine does not cause death - although it can suppress respirations - but does so much to benefit and ease suffering. They also talked a lot about IV morphine drips --- in my experience - IV's were seldom used in hospice care. Also --there was a good discussion about withholding nutrition and hydration but the doctor mentioned ---to fast --- that this help actually ends up harming and causing suffering in the end --- the doctor mentioned--it ends up in your lungs. Even in hospice I watched as well intentioned family tried to push fluids, soups, etc. only to have their family member aspirate and choke. A good hospice worker helps inform people from their experience and helps to guide people toward the best way to serve the needs of the dying. This show is wonderful and breaks the silence on an important topic. My only concern is that by showing hospice care juxtaposed with issues such as assisted suicide the average viewer might be confused about what hospice does to help ease the suffering of others. Thank you for your courage in initiating this show. >> |
Charles Nice Guy New Member Posts: 1 From: Wesley Chapel, Fl, Usa Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 09-14-2000 01:46 AM
On August 5, 1999 my 85 year old Mother had a stroke, which she eventually died from, on August 17, 1999. During that 12 day period, I was at her bedside, day and night. She had made it known to me that she never wanted to be kept alive by artificial heroic means. I honored her wish. On August 17, 1999 my Mother went home to be with the Lord. I had peace with that, because the last words she uttered to me on August 7th. was an answer of yes, to my question; Do you believe God raised Jesus from the dead? Because she had made Jesus Lord of her life, long ago, and by her confession, I had a peace that passed all understanding, knowing that at the very moment of her last breath, which was in my arms, she was standing before God, as He said, " well done, My good and faithful servant." I thank God for allowing me to be with my Mother at the time of her death, which brought me closer to her, than ever before. There is nothing that can compare with the birth and death of a loved one. |
J. Johnson New Member Posts: 1 From: Taylor, Mi Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 09-14-2000 03:16 AM
Bravo as a Hospice Nurse I am very pleased and applaud with the series on death and dying.Finaly someone has shown the world that there are choices and ways to live your last days peacefully and loving with your love ones around you and all this with out pain and suffering.As a Hospice nurse my patients have taught me lessons about life.WE have shared laughs,we have shared tears,and many quite hand holding momments that were very important on the road to peace.Hospice not only comforts and help a person move on to the next phase of their life it also helps the love ones that are left behind. I have found with my own patients family that the after death grieving and healing process is less painful and the healing process is shorter and smoother.I feel the reason is because they were able to have that time of closer.GOD BLESS to you all healthy and ill because none of us really know what tomorrow brings.I also would like to say that in my past 3years as a hospice nurse and team member I have never seen anyone turned away or declined admission due to inability to pay.Remember that OUR last day is just as important as our first day here on this earth.Proud to be part of Hospice and able to offer a person a choice. |
Deve Member Posts: 2 From: Durham, NC, USA Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 09-14-2000 04:28 AM
quote: Originally posted by mgqfbc: As a Baptist minister I encouraged my congregation this morning to watch the beginning of the series tonight. I told them I had obviously not seen it, but that if Bill Moyers was doing it, it would be worth their time.Absolutely right on target. As one who deals with death and dying every month, I applaud the series. It will serve well those who take its message to heart. Bill B. and his wife have been added to my list of heroes.
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Deve Member Posts: 2 From: Durham, NC, USA Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 09-14-2000 04:33 AM
Sorry, didn't mean to copy that. I saw the installment that was on tonight and learned much about what we as a culture are doing wrong. Please tell everyone you know to get in touch with their Congressmen and ask for their support for integrated Hospice care and humanization of the entire disability system. Making people wait until they are destitute or in the last months of life before they have access to any help isn't just wrong ethically, it isn't working. |
Anna P. Everett New Member Posts: 1 From: Tallahassee, Florida USA Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 09-14-2000 04:45 PM
The entire program series is certainly one that I will never forget. I'm a Hospice/Palliative certified RN...been in the Hospice format of nursing for over 9 years. I just want to thank you for allowing such a well researched, well done program air. We need to bring back the rights of everyone, rich or poor, insurance or no, to decide for themselves the right to die with dignity...and where that should be. Dying, is after all, a part of life. As a nurse of 32 years, I've realized that the medical community needs more help to understand that there is, indeed, a "time to live, and a time to die..:" as does the nursing community! There are so many things we can learn from each other, if we only listen. And that series proved that there are those who DO LISTEN! I have been priviledged to know countless veterans of all sorts of wars, and to know cooks, janitors, professors, physicians, teachers, lawyers, ...in short, people from all stations of life. I learned that they are all people, with feelings, with dreams, and needs. They need to treated with dignity and respect, as they face life's final journey. Let's try to make that journey less complicated, more relaxed, more comfortable for them. After all, we all deserve it. Again, thank you, Bill Moyers, for hosting this wonderful series...and for all involved in the background, for I am willing to wager your lives have been made more blessed than you could have ever imagined....mine is from my years in Hospice nursing. Please continue the fine work. |
joanpi Member Posts: 3 From: Chicago, IL USA Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 09-15-2000 08:20 PM
quote: Originally posted by casero: I was very moved by the first episode of this series. I was especially touched by the story of the pediatrician in Kansas City, Missouri who had been diagnosed with cancer of the esophagus. Very often I have wondered when will death strike my immediate family. So far we have been pretty fortunate. Apart from my grandmother and grandfather who died in the 1970's (I was too young to remember most of it) we have not experienced any major death in our family. Eventually someone in our family will have to face death and I for one plan to be there every step of the way. Our family is from Cuba (by the way I live close to the University of Miami-Jackson Memorial Medical Center presented in the program) and in our culture the family is a very strong unit. I do not want my parents or anyone else in my family to die in hospital surrrounded by strangers so no matter what the costs I will be there for my parents or anyone in my family when it comes time for them to leave this earth. I think this is one of the best programs to explore this kind of problem in America today. I am familiar with Bill Moyers and I have always liked his narrative style. From what I can gather the suffering of dying stems from a fear of the unknown. Having family around in familiar surroundings I think is the best therapy for a terminally ill patient. The point should be made however, if modern medicine and procedures can offer the hope of a cure then that avenue should be explored. The danger is that some people may decide to not undergo potentially life saving-albeit aggresive-medical treatments simply because it might involve long stays at the hospital. If there is a resonable chance of a cure then the patient should be encouraged to undergo the treatment.
While I don't disagree with your concern that people not give up the fight too soon, my fear has always been that I will spend the last months or weeks suffering from the treatment, seeing doctors and not savoring my remaining time. With the medical professionals dedicated to doing everything to prolonging life, regardless of the small likelihood of success in some cases, I want to know that I have a doctor who will take NO from me and continue to care for me with respect and dignity - just making me feel comfortable and not forcing extreme measures on me when it's truly apparent that I am terminal. Automatically chosing either path, fighting for cure or accepting death too quickly is a serious problem for the professionals and for us patients, too. |
bernice barber New Member Posts: 1 From: Bayside, NY Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 09-22-2000 10:55 AM
I do not know exactly where this comment goes. I was distressed that the patient with pancreatic cancer asked the doctor about the availability of clinical trials, the answer was that he did not know. Nor did he know about whether or not the patient was elibible. It turned out to be a mute point because the patient died four days later, but shouldn't the doctor have had the information? Why does palliation have to foreclose the possibility of hoping or pulling for increased survival? |
Sheila Kraus New Member Posts: 1 From: Kansas City, Kansas USA Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 09-23-2000 01:01 PM
Hello! I am the daughter of Bill Bartholome, seen on the program 1. I just wanted to let you know that he was the chairman of the board of his death. For the last year of his life my sisters and I were with him constantly. We prepared wonderful tribute books for his future grandchildren that he made with us. We said everyhting we ever needed to say and spent wonderful quiet moments with him on his journey. His family surrounded him with love and support. One of my sisters and I were with him as well as his wife Pam when he died. He also made "appointments" with his 12 brothers and sisters, mother and father to make peace and send love to all of them.He truly was in no pain and it was very peaceful. I have to say that my fathers death was one of the best gifts that he ever gave me. It was not traumatic and horrible. It was very peaceful and graceful. I read on this board that there was a concern about how to deal with traumatic and sudden death. I feel that the answer to this is to live in the light of death knowing that your time will come. My father felt passionate about dying on his own terms and fortunately he got his wish. Thank you all for watching this wonderful and important program. I know how important it was to my father to dispell the myth that dying should not be talked about or embraced(sp).Peace to you all. quote: Originally posted by hypatia6: The first segment was beautifully done and I am looking forward to the rest. Bill Moyers really knows how to do a documentary. I was especially moved by Bill (the patient, not Moyers) who said that he wanted to be the Chairman of the Board or CEO or something like that as his life was winding down. His friends meeting in the prairie after his death was especially poignant. My mother passed away in July of this year and I so wished that we had had the hospice option available to us. But her problems were problems that doctors could "fix," so they didn't give up until the morning of the day she finally died. When I left Mom 12 days before, I had a hint that perhaps this was it, but like I said, the doctors could fix it. It would have been great to have had that 12 days with her--my sisters were there, so she didn't face death alone, but I wish I could have been there too.
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BirthMama New Member Posts: 1 From: USA Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 08-11-2003 11:33 PM
I was deeply touched by the passion and comfort of the people in this program. Death is so frightening in our culture, we are so removed we have forgotten our humanity.I was also very touched at the parallels of death and childbirth. As a labor support person, I attend women as they transition from a pregnant woman to a mother. They need human touch, they need comfort, they need compassion. Women who are attended and touched during childbirth ask for less pain medication and are more comfortable with the entire process. They are not frightened nor are they alone. However, this attendance is suspect and discouraged by the doctor who wants to remain "in charge". Again, we have lost our humanity in birth, as we have in death. Watching this program, and viewing the incredible sensitivity shown towards vulnerable people (the dying) as well as the support given to their caregivers (who do an amazing job of traveling down an unknown road with a vulnerable person) gives me hope that eventually, our world will accept birth and death. It is life, after all. Best wishes, Heather |
cml New Member Posts: 1 From: Springfield, IL USA Registered: Aug 2003
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posted 09-01-2003 12:01 AM
I really love this series. I have seen bits and peices of it off and on for the last few years. I think I may have seen it completely one time, maybe two, but completely one time for sure. I have always been scared of death and dying since I was a youngster. I guess because of the unkown. It could also be because I want to get my life straight with God in order to go to heaven. Personally I have dealth with death on certain levels. 3 have of grandparents have passed. At those times I was a younger person, who wasnt very close in proximity to them, so I didnt really feel that bond to them. I loved my grandparents,and boy did I love them. But it just didnt have the affect on me like death has most. When I was in school we had a few classmates die in various accidents, but it was more like a shock than it was a loss. I knew who the kids were but they werent in my circle of friends. Not until my best friend in this whole world die, did death become more real than ever. This person and I met in 6th grade and were close friends till their death at 34. I read this book on hospice care before my friend died. It explained several different stories on how different families dealt with a loved one dying. I loved that book. it helped me when my friend was dying. I thank God for the growing I have done in the last several years and being able to be more open to death and dying. I am not scared of it like I once was. this show has made me want to be there for my family members and my husband should they ever need me. I hope I will be of help because of the book I read, and this show of Mr. Moyers. At one time I had interest in becoming a hospice volunteer, but going through the training I realized, I would not be strong enough to do it. Just watching this show, makes me cry, so I didnt think I would be strong enough to do it. Plus if a person had some kind of bodily function, that I would have to clean up, I couldnt do it. I did learn some tools I think will be beneficial when the time for me comes to deal with this. Thank you Mr and Mrs Moyer. |