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5 Broken Cameras: A Discussion

 

Panelists:

RICHARD STONE

Past Chairman, Conference of Presidents

 

HUWAIDA ARRAF

Lawyer & Human Rights Advocate

Co-Founder, International Solidarity Movement

 

LEILA HILAL

Director, Middle East Task Force

New America Foundation

 

BROOKE GOLDSTEIN

Director, The Lawfare Project

 

For more, visit: POV: 5 Broken Cameras

 

Israel: Facing the Future:

 

From the Archives of WorldFocus:

 

  • AbdulKhaliq

    “The Zionist Story”

    “The Zionist Story, an independent film by Ronen Berelovich, is the story of ethnic cleansing, colonialism and apartheid to produce a demographically Jewish State.
    Ronen successfully combines archival footage with commentary from himself and others such as Ilan Pappe, Terry Boullata, Alan Hart and Jeff Halper.

    “I have recently finished an independent documentary, The Zionist Story, in which I aim to present not just the history of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, but also the core reason for it: the Zionist ideology, its goals (past and present) and its firm grip not only on Israeli society, but also, increasingly, on the perception of Middle East issues in Western democracies.

    These concepts have already been demonstrated in the excellent ‘Occupation 101′ documentary made by Abdallah Omeish and Sufyan Omeish, but in my documentary I approach the subject from the perspective of an Israeli, ex-reserve soldier and someone who has spent his entire life in the shadow of Zionism.

    I hope you can find a moment to watch The Zionist Story and, if you like it, please feel free to share it with others. (As both the documentary and the archived footage used are for educational purposes only, the film can be freely distributed).

    I have made this documentary entirely by myself, with virtually no budget, although doing my best to achieve high professional standard, and I hope that this ‘home-spun’ production will be of interest to viewers.” – Ronen Berelovich.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peXvLonjm_Y

  • thatgirlinnewyork

    I would have thrilled to a discussion featuring a range of viewpoints following the excellent film “5 Broken Cameras,” and I have every respect for Mr. Pi Roman’s attempt to moderate it, but that insufferable woman, Brooke Goldstein, was allowed to steamrolll every person on the panel, including Mr. Pi Roman.

    Ms. Goldstein succeeded in proving a point: that might and money make right in her worldview. Rocks trump M16s and teargas, and everyone’s wrong in the face of “support” she simply Googles with abandon.

    How Thirteen allowed her to dominate the entire discussion is beyond me. But do leave it post unedited; no doubt there will be far more than me who’ll vow never to believe anything out of her mouth or from her organization (whomever they are) again. What a horrible bully.

    • GZlives

      Insufferable perhaps because she was saying things you didn’t want to hear. I think its extremely important for Brooke to try and explain you were listening to people who have no problem with children being taught Jews are descended from pigs and apes. I don’t think it was “insufferable” at all for Brooke to want viewers to know EXACTLY who she was sitting with and I’m sorry if you felt that aspect didn’t matter. But it speaks to why so many don’t seem to care much that now that the Jews have been run out the Christians in the Arab world – and Gaza and the W Bank face the same persecution

  • AbdulKhaliq

    “Yishai to Non-Jews: Wipe Our Butts & Don’t Have Kids”

    “Israel Interior Minister Eli Yishai, speaking at the Ramle Conference on April 15, 2012″

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmymwthhV34

  • flufkin

    Just watched this on Thirteen and could not help but to notice that the pro-Israel commentators seemed to keep a laundry list of accusations ready to smother any discussion about non-violent resistance in Palestine. Such resistance has been going on for decades, but it seems that rather than recognizing and encouraging it for the security of both Israelis and Palestinians, some people just seem content on villifying Palestinians over and over again. Fact is that Israel has set up a segregated and suffocating system for Palestinians in the occupied territories and it is our job as Americans to push for a more equitable society in all of Israel/Palestine that affords equal rights to all no matter what your religious or ethnic background.

    • thatgirlinnewyork

      That we as Americans fund Israel’s bullying is revolting.

      • GZlives

        Israel has made three offers for peace – all rejected with no realistic counter offer ever made. Perhaps the “bullying” is something that works for the Palestinians with those who don’t bother to examine the entire situation – and perhaps the Palestinians know that only too well and that has become the tactic itself. Another words what you see, is designed specifically for you to see. Anything else that may have a different effect – ie normalization , interaction, is discouraged and worse. Do you think Palestinians can freely interact with Jews, co venture with Jews, create any positive atmosphere with Israeli Jews can do so freely and without intimidation and worse? If you do, you’d be terribly wrong … depressingly so

    • dooer

      Have you ever being in Palestine or Israel? Do you know that this problem between Palestinians and Israelis come from hundreds or even thousends years ago? Do you know that the Palestinians today are the same Philistines from the Bible? Do you know that the Philistines were trying and willing to kill and to take as a slaves the Israelites? King David fought against the Philistines (Palestinians) and killed Goliath of Gath, and God was with him and his people. How you dare to say “is our job as Americans to push for more equitable society”? (Look at our country, we can not even fix our own social-economical problems) This fight between Israel and Palestians wont ever end until the Lord God come from heaven and restore everything. God gave this land to Israel and that’s it.

      • flufkin

        I’m not going to debate Biblical references and prophecies with you … sorry. You want to hate on Palestinians today because they fit some apocalyptic narrative, then go ahead. I’m sure that doesn’t do much in convincing most sane people.

        I’ll only debate facts on the ground today and those facts show that both Jews and Arabs live on that land today in roughly equal numbers. Our values as Americans are that all people are created equal and endowed with certain rights. Settlements, immigration policies, social policies and other facts on the ground clearly show that Israel and its occupation of the West Bank (not to mention its siege of Gaza) do not follow these values.

      • GZlives

        And as an American doesn’t it disgust you that the Jews are still referred to by the Arabs as descendents of pigs and apes? Is it disturbing at all that any normalization by any Arab is seen by their side as traitorous? Why don’t refugees from Gaza who currently live in Jordan refugee camps now return home? If I sound like I’m exaggerating have a look at two pieces recently appearing in Forbes and you’ll understand the issue is deliberately being manipulated for a particular desired effect – and as your comment would show – quite successfully. However, when one looks closer, the reality is quite different. Israel has the impossible task of reaching an agreement with a party that speaks out of two sides of its mouth. One side says everything the West wants to hear, while the other does all it can to thwart any normalization …. remember that word “normalization” when you read the two Forbe’s pieces and you’ll soon see what the real problem is

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbehar/2013/07/24/peace-through-profits-a-private-sector-detente-is-drawing-israelis-palestinians-closer/

        follow uo

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbehar/2013/08/28/why-so-many-palestinian-high-tech-entrepreneurs-hate-my-forbes-cover-story/

  • AbdulKhaliq

    “Israeli talk show make fun of Jesus and Mary”
    An Israeli TV Channel mocking Jesus and the Virgin Mary, peace be upon them; even making a mockery of the Christian notion of the Crucifixion.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtVpHUjwQSA&list=PLA6A0309DD4FFC7B0

    • Richard Ashworth

      This is nothing new, Many Jewish leaders of the day opposed Jesus, because he made himself out to be equal with G-D. Jesus could of killed them all but, He forgive everyone even those who put him on the cross.
      Jesus said “Father forgive them for they now not what they do”
      http://biblehub.com/luke/23-34.htm
      Jesus forgive. And he will if they ask and believe in him forgives those who mock him Today.
      LUKE chpt 23-v 34
      http://biblehub.com/luke/23-34.htm

    • Richard Ashworth

      Quran -Surah 3 verse 151 soon shall we cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, for that they joined companions (JESUS) with Allah, for which he had sent no authority.
      you criticise Muhammad or Islam, with the authority of the Quran and hadiths you are put to death. unless you repent and become a Muslim before you are caught.

  • Omer

    Muslims once again continue with their deceiving and lying agenda over all network channels, i would love for some of the muslim panelists make an opinion about what is going on in Syria, or you know i encourage them to go and travel back to villages that they support in and feel the ignorance and primitive people has to engage reasonable talks with.

    and final remark…

    what about that ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5H0vpPV8U0

  • AbdulKhaliq

    “Orthodox Jewish woman harasses Palestinian mother”

    “Orthodox Jewish Zionist harasses a Palestinian woman and calls her a whore (sharmouta) in front of her kids. This Orthodox Jewish Settler from Tel Rumeida will pay for all the damage they are causing to our people in our own land of Palestine. This Hebrew woman is known in the city for harassing Palestinians on a daily basis and throwing rocks at them with other Hebrew settlers.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdeqXQPW7TM

  • AbdulKhaliq

    “Crazy israeli settler attack pacifists at Jerusalem ”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSZZKJp8Syw

    • Richard Ashworth
    • Richard Ashworth

      Islam effecting the west with its intolerance to other religions.

      whilst before the rise of Islamic population in the west, we lived in peace even with minority Muslims.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJvGGuLrVzo

      This Jewish woman is upset because, it is her personal response to you Palestinian Islam a bad neighbour to the Jews.

      whilst Muslim’s, by the authority of the Quran act by this book.

  • AbdulKhaliq

    “Watch how israeli settlers treat the palestinian children (part 1) ”

    “Watch the terror of the israelis

    This video is re-uploaded”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PynvDVPWkSA

  • Omer

    “We don’t use kids…”
    Hamas soldiers use kids as human shiled….
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE

  • AbdulKhaliq

    ZIONIST JEWISH SETTLER SAYING THAT THE NON-JEWS WILL BE THE SLAVES OF THE JEWS ONCE THE ENTIRE HOLY LAND IS IN THEIR POSSESSION:

    “Israeli Settler explains Zionism to Palestinian farmers”

    “4 Feb 2013 – “You”ll be our slaves if you behave well” – Settler spokesman.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey_oP2Goef4

  • Jean Louis

    I am neither Jewish or Palestinian however I came across this film and post discussion on PBS tonight and found them very compelling. I have to however express my displeasure with Brooke Goldstein’s participation on the panel. She came across as undisciplined, arrogant and highly disrespectful of the rules set by the moderator. Her constant interjections and interruptions of other panelists had her seeming desperate and insecure.

    Her forceful demeanor did not in any way contribute to or further her point of view but rather detracted from it. Her display distracted from the conversation and was frustrating for me to watch.

    This is very unfortunate since both sides had valid arguments and points of view. If we cannot demonstrate the necessary emotional maturity and discipline in a moderated discussion among peers, how can we ever expect to do so in times of dire conflict?

    • thatgirlinnewyork

      Aptly put. Her modus operandi seems to be, “(S)he who shouts the loudest.” Excruciating!

    • GZlives

      I completely disagree. There was good reason Brooke did her best to make sure she was heard.

      Although the moderator wasn’t interested in who Huwaid Arraf is, Goldstein justifiably wanted viewers to understand what listening to an ISM co founder actually means since most mainstream media will never bother explaining as was evidenced here.

      “In April, 2003, Shapiro and Arraf’s group, ISM, brought two Pakistani
      British Muslim terrorists into Gaza from Jordan under the guise of a
      fake travel and tours company. The men, Asif Muhammad Hanif and Omar Khan Sharif, spent the night with ISM and the next day at ISM’s Gaza office. Then, they blew up Mike’s Bar in Tel Aviv. Three Israelis were murdered and
      fifty were wounded in the attack.

      But that’s not the half of it ….

      A month earlier, in March 2003, they harbored Shadi Sukiya,
      in ISM’s Jenin office in the West Bank, along with two
      Kalashnikov rifles. Sukiya was involved in several thwarted suicide
      attacks, including a planned suicide bus bombing in northern Israel in
      September 2002, another suicide attack in October 2002, and a planned
      suicide attack with an explosive suitcase in February 2003. And he was
      involved in planting explosive devices and shooting attacks against IDF
      troops and Jewish communities in the Jenin area. Adam Shapiro and his
      organization helped hide this murderer and then defended those actions.

      Perhaps I’m asking too much but does anyone really believe this woman Arraf has any goal other then bringing down the Jewish State using any means necessary including violence?

      Wouldn’t you have wanted to know thats who you were listening to?

  • AbdulKhaliq

    PALESTINIAN FARMERS BEING ATTACKED BY ZIONIST SETTLERS:

    “Settlers Attack Israeli Activists and Palestinian Farmers near Anatot 30 9 2011″

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKzNrNhTu5w

  • Omer

    The reason they arrest kids…

    That’s a footage of a 14 year old kid strapping off the bomb one of his heroes strapped on him.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jx8tqnnzpE

  • AbdulKhaliq

    ZIONIST SETTLERS ATTACK JEWISH RABBI:

    “Settlers attack Rabbi”

    “A group of Israeli settlers from the illegal West Bank settlement of Shilo demonstrated in front of the home of Rabbis for Human Rights Executive Director Arik Ascherman Wednesday (January 19, 2011) afternoon. They were demonstrating against Ascherman’s plan to plant trees with Palestinians in the West Bank in celebration of the Jewish holiday Tu Bishvat, “the New Year of the Trees.” For more information, visit http://alternativenews.org

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2w05bH9D8A

  • AbdulKhaliq

    WHY DID PALESTINIANS IN GAZA LAUNCH ROCKETS AGAINST ISRAEL?

    BECAUSE ISRAEL BROKE THE CEASEFIRE AGREEMENT WITH THE HAMAS GOVERNMENT:

    “CNN Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First”

    “Rick Sanchez does the research and finds that Israel violated the terms of the ceasefire first by killing 6 Gazans on November 4. Shouldn’t media outlets check the facts before running with a story?”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KntmpoRXFX4

  • AbdulKhaliq

    WHO BROKE THE CEASEFIRE THAT LED TO THE GAZA WAR OF 2008?

    ISRAELI SPOKESMAN MARK REGEV ADMITS, ADMITS, ADMITS THAT NO ROCKETS WERE FIRED MONTHS BEFORE ISRAEL BROKE THE CEASEFIRE:

    “Who Broke The Cease Fire – Hamas or Israel 2008″

    “A nice little news item where Mark Regev admits Hamas didn’t fire any rockets before Israel broke the cease fire in November.
    more…
    On November 5, the Guardian reported:

    A four-month ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza was in jeopardy today after Israeli troops killed six Hamas gunmen in a raid into the territory.

    “Hamas responded by firing a wave of rockets into southern Israel, although no one was injured. The violence represented the most serious break in a ceasefire agreed in mid-June, yet both sides suggested they wanted to return to atmosphere of calm. (Rory McCarthy, Gaza truce broken as Israeli raid kills six Hamas gunmen, The Guardian, November 5, 2008; http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/

    The Guardian added:

    Until now it had appeared both Israel and Hamas, which seized full control of Gaza last summer, had an interest in maintaining the ceasefire.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SILJxPTqjAM

  • Omer

    And my last post of radical islam and the “Peaceful” neighbors Israel have to deal with.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dupw2pH3oes

  • AbdulKhaliq

    ISRAELI SOLDIERS BREAKING THE SILENCE ABOUT THEIR PART IN THE ATROCITIES OF ISRAEL AGAINST THE PALESTINIANS:

    “Burning Conscience: Israeli Soldiers Speak Out”

    “A searing interview with Avichai Sharon and Noam Chayut, both veterans of the Israeli Defense Forces and members of Breaking the Silence. Sharon and Chayut served during the second intifada, an on-going bloodbath that has claimed the lives of over three thousand Palestinians and nine-hundred-fifty Israelis. After thorough introspection, these young men have chosen to speak out about their experiences as self-described “brutal occupiers of a disputed land.” Producer: Sat Gwin

    Alternate Focus is available on the Dish Network, Free Speech TV, Channel 9415, Saturdays at 8:00pm EST and on cable stations near you. Check http://www.alternatefocus.org for details.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37MFa7ZKQWo

  • Omer

    You guys are just flooding the comments with false information.

    UK Muslim Patrol: “This is Not a Christian Country… We Will Implement Islam Upon Your Necks”

    http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/uk-muslim-patrol-this-is-not-a-christian-country-we-will-implement-islam-upon-your-necks/

  • AbdulKhaliq

    ISRAELI SOLDIER CALLING THE ARAB RESIDENTS OF RAMALLAH MONKEYS AND DOGS AND GORILLAS:

    ISRAELI RACISM AGAINST THE NON-JEWISH ARABS:

    “Zionist Psychopaths”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKB0IAP4AR8

  • Omer

    Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi calls Jews ‘descendants of apes and pigs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcnK3Kiw1Eg

  • AbdulKhaliq

    ZIONIST THUGS BEATING UP ULTRA-ORTHODOX JEWISH RABBIS WHO PROTEST AGAINST THE STATE OF ISRAEL:
    “Zionist Thugs Beating Up Jewish Rabbis ”

    “Zionist Israeli Thugs are beating up and using tasers on members of the Orthodox Jewish Faith Neturei Karta.

    Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews protesting the desecration of graves by a highway construction project near Haifa were attacked and brutally beaten by private security guards hired by the Ministry of Transportation.

    The group, known for being outspokenly critical of the State of Israel and its very existence were peacefully demonstrating at the time. This attack follows a long history of violence against the Orthodox Jewish community.

    Consistent with fundamental Jewish beliefs, some of these protesters often take part in demonstrations, side by side with Palestinians, against the State of Israel and its inhuman policies toward the Palestinian people.” The apparent strategy of using organized violence through private security personnel against these peaceful protesters is only one of many tactics used by the State of Israel to intimidate and discourage further protests. The police were nowhere to be found at the time or even hours after the melee. Several Rabbis and children were attacked with electric stun gun devices and knives, requiring some to be hospitalized.

    Among the injured were Rabbi Leibl Deutsch and Rabbi Yisroel Rothchild, both of Jerusalem who were stabbed in the lower back and leg respectively. The Jewish cemetery at the heart of the incident dates back to the Second Temple era, over 2000 years ago.Some of the caves that comprise the cemetery have been destroyed as a result of the ongoing highway work and there are heightened fears of further desecration as the highway project continues unabated.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBNMDjj5LKc

  • AbdulKhaliq

    ZIONIST ISRAELIS BEATING UP ULTRA-ORTHODOX JEWISH RABBIS WHO PROTEST THE STATE OF ISRAEL:

    “Free Palestine: Zionist Jews killing Orthodox Jews ”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeNB0v8SXUA&list=PL5B5B06EC274D9D66

  • AbdulKhaliq

    ULTRA-ORTHODOX JEWISH RABBIS WHO PROTEST THE STATE OF ISRAEL BEING HECKLED BY A ZIONIST ATTENDEE OF AN AIPAC CONFERENCE IN WASHINGTON D.C.

    “Anti-Zionist Jewish Protestors attacked by an AIPAC attendee in Washington D.C”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSHl3C9kgY&list=PL5B5B06EC274D9D66

  • AbdulKhaliq

    JEWISH LADY WHO COMPARES ZIONISM TO THE NAZI AGENDA, THAT ZIONISM IS LIKE NAZISM:

    “Jewish lady compares zionism to the Nazi agenda”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i62Zk_Ye-D4

  • Omer

    Redical Islam at his best once again…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq79xr48Zzc

  • magdalena reyna

    Thanks for showing this important film. Congrats to Pi Roman for attempting to maitain a civilized dialogue, something Ms. Goldstein didn’t seem to care about. We need more documentaries like this to show people how our taxpayers’ dollars are spent by the Israeli military

    • GZlives

      Are you suggesting we have more out of context documentaries so we can lull ourselves into some illusion and pretend things are the way we prefer instead of how they actually are? It was established that the film had no context and presented a picture of a fence just suddenly appearing … is that not a bit unsettling? do you think that’s an accurate presentation or one showing only one side?

  • AbdulKhaliq

    JEWISH WOMAN WHO REALIZES THAT HER ZIONIST UPBRINGING WAS RACISM:

    “Jewish Mom Realizes Zionist Upbringing Was Racism”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufG-s1yOxXQ

  • Omer

    ISLAMIST PROTESTERS CHANTING THEIR AGENDA .

    “BOMB BOMB USA”

    “BOMB BOMB UK”

    Peace seekers ? companions ? Friends ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_tVtOO_nvM

  • Omer

    Dear Abdul you won! the way you BOMBED this Discussion with all this cheap propaganda managed on working.

    • GZlives

      Not really … the stuff is so over the top its obvious to most what it is and it merely discredits them. There’s little they can do with everyone now seeing the rank hate being spewed all over the Arab world. Perhaps the Jews don’t much matter but when you start marching nuns down the street like convicts and burning Christian churches people begin to notice – despite the western media doing all it can to obfuscate the reality unfolding there

  • AbdulKhaliq

    “Rabbi State “Zionism Is Racism” ”

    “During the Durban Review Conference in Geneva, Switzerland, the Arab Commission for Human Rights organized a conference regarding the oppression in Palestine, On April 24, 2009 in the International Conference Centre of Geneva [outside the United Nation Office].

    Amongst the speakers was Rabbi Ahron Cohen, a spokesman for Neturei Karta UK, Jews United Against Zionism, who stated that Zionism is Racism”.

    Visit: http://www.nkusa.org

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guQE9IRRKM4

  • AbdulKhaliq

    “Orthodox Jews harassing Christians outside a Christian shop”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSrFbNwxAlg

  • AbdulKhaliq

    “Zionist savages insulting Jesus. This is the nature of zionist.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbaX-TZmFgI

  • AbdulKhaliq

    THE JEWISH RABBIS DURING THE FORMATION OF ZIONIST OPPOSED IT:

    JEWISH RABBIS IN EUROPE WERE THE FIRST TO OPPOSE THE IDEOLOGY OF ZIONISM, THEIR POINT OF VIEW WAS THAT THE PROBLEMS OF THE JEWS WERE NOT POLITICAL BUT SPIRITUAL OBEDIENCE TO GOD.

    “What is Zionism rabbi explains”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOQbqGolaGA

  • AbdulKhaliq

    ANTI-ZIONIST SURVIVOR OF THE NAZI HOLOCAUST:

    JEWISH SURVIVOR OF THE NAZI ERA SAYS THAT ISRAEL IS LIKE NAZI GERMANY:

    “Anti-Zionists Holocaust Survivor”

    “A holocaust survivor speaks of Israel as being like Nazi Germany
    This Video is to show the Jewish Community around the world among others who are outraged that there religion Judaism has been hijacked by Zionists who happen to be secular. The Zionists are using the sympathy of the Jews from events in World War 2 to justify there Brutal Occupation of Palestine and the Ethnic Cleansing of Arabs from the region. The Recent Assault on Gaza Has united people around the world with a common enemy which is zionism and this will help bring Justice to the Oppressed, We Recognise Jews Who stand with the palestinians and a message sent from all quarters of the world to the Palestinians You Are Not Alone.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsqj3HH4NVk

  • AbdulKhaliq

    THE JEWISH COMMUNITY, PERSECUTED UNDER EUROPEAN RULE, FLOURISHED UNDER MUSLIM RULE IN THE MIDDLE EAST:

    “The Dirty Truth About Israel.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM2S0L6xW5c

    • GZlives

      Flourished between the massacres and pogroms … Damascus, Aleppo … why do you suppose there are NO more Jews living in those Arab communities where they lived for centuries? And in fifty years will you be describing the wonderful lives the Christians led in the Arab world the same way as you’re describing how the Jews fared ? The Jews and Christians are allowed to live as dhimmis – like American Blacks in the South during Jim Crow. Lynched at the whim of any Muslim. Were there various periods where life was better ? Yes. But it was always tenuous

  • AbdulKhaliq

    THE MYTHOLOGY OF ARAB AND MUSLIM HATRED AGAINST JEWS:

    “ALL JEWS SHOULD SEE THIS! 1492 Ottoman Sultan has saved the lives of 150.000 Jews!”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdLYbW0G19k

  • AbdulKhaliq

    ISRAELI JEWISH MAN BUSTS THE ISRAELI MYTHOLOGY PART OF THEIR HISTORICAL NARRATIVE:
    “Jewish Man Exposes Israel’s Lies”

    “The General’s Son. Miko Peled is a peace activist who dares to say in public what others still choose to deny. Born in Jerusalem in 1961 into a well known Zionist family, his grandfather, Dr. Avraham Katsnelson was a Zionist leader and signer of the Israeli Declaration of Independence. His Father, Matti Peled, was a young officer in the war of 1948 and a general in the war of 1967 when Israel conquered the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights and Sinai.Miko’s unlikely opinions reflect his father’s legacy. General Peled was a war hero turned peacemaker.
    Miko grew up in Jerusalem, a multi-ethnic city, but had to leave Israel before he made his first Palestinian friend, the result of his participation in a dialogue group in California. He was 39.
    On September 4, 1997 the beloved Smadar, 13, the daughter of Miko’s sister Nurit and her husband Rami Elhanan was killed in a suicide attack.
    Peled insists that Israel/Palestine is one state—the separation wall notwithstanding, massive investment in infrastructure, towns and highways that bisect and connect settlements on the West Bank, have destroyed the possibility for a viable Palestinian state. The result, Peled says is that Israelis and Palestinians are governed by the same government but live under different sets of laws.

    At the heart of Peled’s conclusion lies the realization that Israelis and Palestinians can live in peace as equals in their shared homeland. All rights-Alternate Focus under educational learning aid.”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCKWDarNdGw

    • GZlives

      Yes Israelis like Peled can speak their mind and do … but can you find a Palestinian who can do the same that still lives in Gaza or any Arab country? Can you? Can you find one single Palestinian peace group advocating for coexistence with Israel? Surely you know there are dozen or so Jewish founded peace groups. But not a single Arab group. Why is that you think?

  • AbdulKhaliq

    “this is why palestanins hate israel : you wont see this on zionist owned media”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E23jXF_Naf4

    • Richard Ashworth

      No the real reason Palestinians hate Israel or Jews is because they are Jews. and they do not believe the messenger of Allah.
      surah 8 v 39- fight with them until there is no more Fitna ( disorder, unbelief)
      and religion should only be for ALLAH.
      This verse was in relation to the Fact that the meccans were just refusing Muhammad’s access to their city during the HAJ.
      But other Muslims where allowed to travel there but not as an armed group.
      Mecca was only acting in self defence against Muhammad because his feelings were hurt when he was evicted. Muhammad wanted to destroy all idols. And today you have Muslims defending their brutal acts through out history.
      See nothing new under the sun.
      Today Israel is refusing Islamic based Palestinians, access because you want to wipe them out.

      • GZlives

        “No the real reason Palestinians hate Israel or Jews is because they are Jews. and they do not believe the messenger of Allah.”

        Yes which anyone can see clearly see just viewing TV in the Islamic world. The incitement comes from leaders – religious, political, academic

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06EBAflJHws#at=148

  • Marina Martsinkevich

    The moderator gave much more time to Palestinians who lied through their teeth on virtually every point of the discussion. When it came to Brooke or Richard he interrupted them too soon. That’s why Brooke had to intervene into these Goebelsian speeches.

  • Brooke Goldstein

    Watch “Camp Jihad” – wherein you can see how UNRWA (to which Leila Hilal was a former advisor) trains innocent Palestinian children to engage in violence for the sake of Islamist jihad – US taxpayer dollars at work

    Click on this link to see the movie

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/08/09/Camp-Jihad-The-indoctrination-of-Palestinian-Kids-in-UNRWA-Summer-Camps

  • Brooke Goldstein

    According to Leila Hilal only Jews whose opinions are “relics” (at see 19:42) think that Palestinian children deserve their human rights to be upheld, and their rights to an education and media free of incitement to hate and to kill themselves as suicide bombers, be respected. Instead, we know that Leila Hilal, former advisor to UNRWA, is apparently OK with UNRWA hiring teachers off the Hamas payroll and teaching from textbooks that condone the destruction of the Jews and their state.

  • Richard Ashworth
  • Brooke Goldstein

    INTERNATIONAL SOLIDARITY MOVEMENT (ISM)

    August 27, 2012

    Website: http://www.palsolidarity.org

    ISM describes itself as “a Palestinian-led movement committed to resisting the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land using nonviolent, direct-action methods and principles.”

    ISM anti-Israel demonization includes promotion ofBDS (boycotts, divestment, and sanctions) and a Palestinian “right of return,” and referring to “60 years of ethnic cleansing.” These are the central dimensions of the 2001 Durban NGO Forum Declaration, which adopted a strategy for political warfare against Israel to accompany the wave of mass terror attacks.

    Encourages activists to take “direct action” that often places them in danger and in direct confrontations with Israeli Defense Forces during military operations. An article in Mother Jones described ISM as, “Embracing Palestinian militants, even suicide bombers, as freedom fighters,” and “entering military zones to interfere with the operations of Israeli soldiers.”

    ISM has been responsible for endangering the safety of many foreign nationals, including American citizenRachel Corrie and UK citizen Tom Hurndall. Both were killed while participating in ISM activities. In response to Corrie’s death, ISM co-founder Thom Saffold said, “It’s possible they [the protesters] were not as disciplined as we would have liked. But we’re like a peace army. Generals send young men and women off to operations, and some die.”

    In a 2002 article, ISM co-founders Adam Shapiro and Huwaida Arraf wrote, “The Palestinian resistance must take on a variety of characteristics, both non-violent and violent…In actuality, nonviolence is not enough…Yes, people will get killed and injured,” but these deaths are “no less noble than carrying out a suicide operation. And we are certain that if these men were killed during such an action, they would be considered shaheed Allah.”

    In 2003 ISM activist Susan Barclay “said in an interview with the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, she knowingly worked with representatives from Hamas and Islamic Jihad…” The U.S. State Department designates both these groups as Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs).

    In 2003, ISM activist Ewa Jasiewicz wrote about a shooting attack against Israeli civilians: “Lawd – S-T-R-A-T-E-G-Y, I understand its about attacking civilian life the way civilian life has been crushed and continually denied under the occupation and showing Israelis that they are not safe… from the indefatigable Palestinian resistance etc But that mesage (sic) has been got loud and clear. I don’t get why activists can’t go and do the Knesset (Israeli Parliament) or something, or do a sophisticated politician bump-off…”

    In a 2003 interview on the ISM-London website, Saif Abu Keshek, ISM’s Nablus coordinator at the time, said: “we recognise the right of the Palestinians to choose their way of resistance. To join our way of resistance or to choose armed struggle.”

    In 2008, ISM member Richard David Hupper wasconvicted by a U.S. federal jury for materially aiding Hamas, “giving about $20,000 to Hamas while working in Israel with the International Solidarity Movement, a non-governmental organization.”

    In 2006 and 2007, $55,856.20 was transferred to ISM through the A.J. Muste Institute, ISM’s “fiscal sponsor.” Middle East Children’s Alliance (MECA) also serves as a “fiscal sponsor” for ISM-USA.

    Claims not to “receive any funding from any state, government or association.”

    Arraf and ISM volunteer Greta Berlin were organizers and spokespersons for the “Free Gaza flotilla” (May 2010) which attempted to run the blockade of Gaza and caused violent clashes with the Israeli Navy.

    Berlin stated, “For 60 years the Palestinians have waited for justice. How much longer must they pay the price for what Europe did to the Jews?”

    Involved in the violent protests against the security barrier at Ni’lin. Tristan Anderson from California was injured in March 2009 during such an event.

    Attempted to help terrorists taking refuge in theChurch of the Nativity in Bethlehem in 2002.

    In 2003, terrorists originating from UK attacked theMike’s Place bar in Tel Aviv, murdering three people. An official Israeli report showed how the terrorists covered their tracks “by forging links with foreign left wing activists and members of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM).” According to this report, “ISM members take an active part in illegal and violent actions against IDF soldiers. At times, their activity….is under the auspices of Palestinian terrorist organizations.”

    In March 2003, senior Islamic Jihad terrorist Shadi Sukiya was arrested while he was hiding in ISM’s Jenin office and being assisted by two ISM activists.

  • Richard Eisner

    To the uninitiated, these debates and positions must seem very confusing. There is probably no way a neutral third party might be able to decide where the truth is and whose position to support, irrespective of the style or manner of their personal delivery. There will always be individuals that have beliefs and passionate positions that go counter to their backgrounds and upbringing, as there are presented here. I have found it useful from my engineering and science background to evaluate a system or life situation by looking at the extremes. At one end of the spectrum here, there certainly are Arabs (Palestinians) and Jews (Israelis) that want peace and understand the dynamics of what that means in a civilized society. The problem lies at the other end of the spectrum. The degree of extremism is far worse and far more prevalent on the Palestinian side of the “fence”. This manifests itself in a variety of ways ranging from hostility planted into the minds of children from a young age, to glorifying violence performed in the name of religion, to the perpetuation of that violence in the form of suicide bombings, murder, assault, property destruction, and even rock throwing. When a culture does not treat life and especially the lives of its own people and children as sacred, it cannot be counted on as a peaceful neighbor. If you consider yourself neutral, or undecided, watch the posted video Camp Jihad in its entirety. Any camp in America that manipulated the children in a manner such as this would be considered a cult. The situation seems difficult because it is. The majority of us will never know all of the facts. Look at the extremes and let common sense be your guide.

  • iaminfidel

    This is a discussion about a propaganda film against Israel. When people wake up to the fact that there are no “Palestinians” Can’t prove facts Rafael, try looking at a history book. Anyone here know that Machmood Abbas is a Holocaust denier and a part of “Black September” Munich massacre? The Jews gave up Gaza in 2005, how did that go for Israel. How many murdering prisoners does Israel have to release

    There is no peace process. These Arabs live better in Israel than in any Muslim country. They can have peace when they decide to put down their weapons but Judea and Samaria aka the west bank (for the ignorant that don’t know)

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