Fareed Zakaria interviews Historian Niall Ferguson about War of the World
July 7th, 2008 at 9:47 am

Harvard and Oxford historian Ferguson wrote the companion book to the documentary series, which provides a controversial angle on WWII. The second installment of the series, “A Tainted Victory”, airs tonight on Thirteen at 10pm.

Fareed Zakaria interviewed Ferguson on Foreign Exchange back in 2006, when the book and TV series were originally released (TV in Britain only, this run in 2008 is the TV series’ American debut). Watch here:


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Charlie Rose also interviewed him about the book in 2006. Watch interview:

See more from Charlie Rose here.

(see all airings of War of the World on the Thirteen schedule. )

This history documentary series originally aired in summer of 2006 on Channel 4 in Britain.

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#1
6/30/08 :: 10:51 pm
s. smith Says:

Ferguson needs to realize that Armenians are not Orthodox…two different churches with different beliefs. They are not in communion with each other.

#2
6/30/08 :: 11:15 pm
Mehmet Aygen, MD Says:

Ferguson needs to go back to 8th grade to learn what he tries to teach about recent Turkish history. If not lack of knowledge he either lies or he is a paid puppet of Greco-Armenian capital. Fifteen minutes would be enough to prove him wrong about all of his mispresented garbage regarding so called ‘Armenian Genocide’ Greek expulsion, Izmir fire, population exchange etc. I am horrified about your channel’s irresponsible broadcasting and possible ill effects on young Americans.I protest Ferguson and believe that you can only make fair broadcasting by granting right to respond to a Turkish historian at the same channel. The seeds of hatred that is costructed by lies will only serve to increased bitterness between peoples and prepare ground for future hostilities.

#3
6/30/08 :: 11:19 pm
No Name Says:

Full of bias and undocumented “Documentary!”. Historian Ferguson claims killing of Greek & Armenian minorities during the World War 1 as genocide despite to the fact that these ethnic groups were already fighting against the Turkish troops at the World War I. The historian said in one of his part as “Ataturk (The mastermind of the Turkish Militarial Defense and the Founder of the Modern Turkey.) did not see for a need to have a MASSACRE on Greek.” What a despisable statement!, a first time viewer can easyly interpret such a statement as Ataturk being a killer of innocent people who just did not see a need to kill Greeks for some reason. Turks never killed innocent Greeks during the war, yet he was very respectfull to his enemies. Seeing an alien flag laying on the ground, he asked his subordinates to raise it respectfully, he had then added “The blood to keep that flag stand was not different than that of ours, so show the same respect to it as if it’s ours”. How can these “Historians” call such a internationally acclaimed war and and the defense of a sinking nation as “Massacre”??? I was just shocked to see this program was being aired in Channel 13.

#4
6/30/08 :: 11:27 pm
alfredo Says:

john ruskin wrote, “planning for the future without a sense of history is like planting cut flowers.”

#5
6/30/08 :: 11:31 pm
Mustafa Ulu, MBA Says:

I am the commentator with NO NAME above; I just wanted to show my true name under with this new header. I am requesting either the historian or the Channel 13 to apologize Turkish people for this biassed documentary. I also strongly support Mr. Aygen’s true observations and comments above.

#6
7/1/08 :: 8:34 am
David Says:

The Armenian genocide was a genocide. It was the wholesale slaughter of a group of people. Armenians had been victims of Ottoman violence before WWI and had been discriminated against and oppressed throughout the 1800s. It is no surprise, then, that Armenian soldiers were not the most reliable for the Ottomans. The Ottomans used the pretext of treasonous acts of Armenian soldiers to murder a large chunk of the Armenian population. We don’t need a “Turkish” historian to give “their” side of the story. The fact that a poster above me thinks we do proves Niall Ferguson’s point about the tribalism of the 20th century. We need historians who know what happened, not so-called scholars who let petty tribal loyalties cloud their professional judgment.

#7
7/1/08 :: 9:18 am
Mustafa Ulu Says:

Genocide talk about Ottoman Imperial is a total lie to damage Turkish Culture and the people. The Ottoman helped Spanish Jews migrate to Turkey from Spain and there are thousands of similar religional hospitality examples in Turkish history.

#8
7/1/08 :: 11:10 am
Amy Three Says:

This series is like a whack on the side of the head–lively, fascinating, and challenging. How lucky for me, with a newish interest in history, that I came across this vivid and thorough re-examination–and for anyone struggling to understand current world events. THANK YOU!

#9
7/1/08 :: 1:29 pm
Burak Says:

I was about to enjoy this documentary last night on WETA, till it hit me when Ferguson’s fictious story of the Ottomon/Greek/Armenian were all layed out at once; I was further shocked/horrified to watch Mustafa Kemal Ataturk being portraid as a murderer and massacrer on my Public television, the very television I support! How can WETA classifies this show as a history documentary!? Obviously Ferguson tries to distort the historic knowledge of events of the era with his(!) view. PBS should call the program ‘a Fiction of War of the World’ and should apologize for Ferguson’s view of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (founder of modern Turkey, then an ethnic minority and a soldier himself). I sincerely would have expected WETA to be more careful and serious about its shows.

#10
7/1/08 :: 1:59 pm
alfredo Says:

The fact that most if not all Turks deny there was an attempted genocide of Armenians suggests to me that whatever “evidence” exists is inconclusive or indecisive. Surely if there existed solid documentary evidence there’d be no denials. Can anyone recommend any literature on the subject from either side of the issue?

#11
7/1/08 :: 3:25 pm
Preston Says:

I started to watch this program last night, and could not believe the arrogant subjectivity of this guy and the unproven conclusions that he “preaches”. The more I watched, the more I realized what was going on. This guy, who looks like he just graduated from high school, is an extreme liberal with alot of time on his hands and his head up his butt, is using special effects to try and rewrite history. And then I came to this web-site and find out he’s from Harvard and Oxford. What the F#*%#*!!!!!!
It’s sad.
It really is.

#12
7/1/08 :: 4:11 pm
Preston Says:

Just watched the interview above, the most intelligent thing said, was Charlie Rose at the end.

#13
7/1/08 :: 6:16 pm
Mehmet Aygen Says:

For Alfredo,
Please read the article @ this link, if you need more ask again I can provide more detailed info books etc.
Please note all the Turkish archives are open for examination for everybody and the Turkish offer to constitute a joint Turkish-Armenian historian commitee to compare evidence and resolve the dispute is repeatedly rejected by the armenian side.
http://www.ttk.org.tr/index.php?Page=Sayfa&No=186

#14
7/2/08 :: 9:50 am
James Matson Says:

Source: Wikipedia (key word “Armenian Genocide”

“The Armenian Genocide (Armenian: Հայոց Ցեղասպանութիւն, Turkish: Ermeni Soykırımı), also known as the Armenian Holocaust, the Armenian Massacres and, by Armenians, the Great Calamity (Մեծ Եղեռն)—refers to the deliberate and systematic destruction (genocide) of the Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire during and just after World War I. It was characterised by the use of massacres, and the use of deportations involving forced marches under conditions designed to lead to the death of the deportees, with the total number of Armenian deaths generally held to have been between one and one-and-a-half million. Other ethnic groups were similarly attacked by the Empire during this period, including Assyrians and Greeks, and some scholars consider the events to be part of the same policy of extermination.[1]

It is widely acknowledged to have been one of the first modern, systematic genocides,[2][3] as many Western sources point to the sheer scale of the death toll as evidence for a systematic, organized plan to eliminate the Armenians.[4]

The date of the onset of the genocide is conventionally held to be April 24, 1915, the day that Ottoman authorities arrested some 250 Armenian intellectuals and community leaders in Constantinople. Thereafter, the Ottoman military uprooted Armenians from their homes and forced them to march for hundreds of miles, depriving them of food and water, to the desert of what is now Syria. Massacres were indiscriminate of age or gender, with rape and other sexual abuse commonplace. The Armenian Genocide is the second most-studied case of genocide.[5]

The Republic of Turkey, the successor state of the Ottoman Empire, does not accept the word genocide as an accurate description of the events.[6] In recent years, it has faced repeated calls to accept the events as genocide. To date, twenty-one countries have officially recognized the events of the period as genocide, and most scholars[7] and historians[8] accept this view.[9][10] The majority of Armenian diaspora communities were founded as a result of the Armenian genocide.”

Most of you people need to get over your own biased beliefs and try learning some history. Considering only 12% of the Turkish people have a favorbale opinion of America, it’s understandible for all you Turkish commentors to deny Ferguson’s critic. What’s more demonstrable is the idiot “Preston” who thinks this guy is a an “extreme liberal” because of the Educational Institutions he attended, which means that Bush must also be the same, considering he attended Harvard also. By the way, what the hell is a conservative moron like yourself doing watching public television? You don’t learn anyting from it and detest anyone who challenges your view of history. Go back to your propaganda station, (FOX), and entertain yourself with more “American Idol”!

#15
7/2/08 :: 2:40 pm
Preston Says:

I don’t think Mr. Ferguson is going to get very far with that kind of attitude.

#16
7/2/08 :: 2:50 pm
Aygen Says:

http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/Armenia/mccarthy.html

Better source than wikipedia don’t you think?

#17
7/2/08 :: 5:03 pm
Preston Says:

Apparently, not if you’re Niall Ferguson.

#18
7/2/08 :: 5:51 pm
Mehmet Aygen Says:

correction for Mr Matson
It is not true that “12% of the Turkish people have a favorbale opinion of America”12% of the Turkish people have a favorbale opinion of current middle esat politics of America. Please check the last number before the ill fated Iraqi campaign. I was in Turkey in 2006 and the attetude towards American people was unchanged and very positive.
Truth is

#19
7/2/08 :: 9:31 pm
Preston Says:

I agree with you Mr. Aygen, the Americans and Turkeys were meant to be friends, otherwise why would turkey sandwiches with american cheese taste so good?. It wouldn’t make sense any other way, especially with the price of tea in China and all. Might start a war. Isn’t that right? Mr. Ferguson… Does that work for ya?, “Mr. Matson”.

#20
7/2/08 :: 9:40 pm
Preston Says:

Is that how you do it?… LOL

#21
7/3/08 :: 9:53 am
Preston Says:

I apologize; I am an idiot. Now I know where you’re coming from, and America needs your mind.

#22
7/8/08 :: 4:33 pm
Robert Martin Says:

I found that Mr.Ferguson contributed no new information, but his recognition of Communism as being equally as “evil” as National Socialism was at least better than the usual “progressive” presentation of the Soviet International Socialism as being acceptable as it was anti-fascist. But Ferguson’s always placing himself front-and-center as he presented his non-news was both irritating and pompous.

#23
7/11/08 :: 1:23 pm
Preston Says:

Robert Martin,

LOL… Say What? Honky!… You gotta listen to da man. I mean you really gotta listen to da man. He know something. What he knows.?. I don’t know,… but trust me. He knows something.

#24
7/11/08 :: 1:58 pm
Preston Says:

Actually Mr. Martin everybody knows that Communism is evil just like the Nazis. But at the time of the war they didn’t pose as much of a threat, especially when they started fighting the Nazis. Should we have attacked them after the war?, like General Patton suggested? Well I think everybody was pretty much tired of war by that point, especially the soldiers… But that’s not to say one can’t make a career thinking about it.

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